What i can tell you is that both the aircrafts went head to head, the Block52 tried to lock on from BVR range, immediately the Block15 started using its ECM pod and performed manoeuvres(which i wont name). By the time measures and counter measures were taken, they both were in WVR and PAF F16 took the TUAF by guns.
The Indians are expecting the IAF to do something similar to what NATO did to Iraqi Air Force during Desert Storm, what they fail to understand is that before Desert Storm commenced, NATO carried out strikes for 30 days and Iraqi Defence was still intact. This is where the Indian failure will be because the expectations and objectives are simply unrealistic and not achievable in the given time period.
Last edited by notorious_eagle; 07-10-2011 at 09:41 PM.
In BVR MKI outperforms F-16 block 60 by 15% and F-16 block 52 by 20%
In WVR it outperforms F-16 block 60 by 20-30% and F-16 block 52 by 10-15%
In ground attack capabilities, It outperforms the F-16C Block 52 by 50%
All parameters concerned......the estimates are based on assessment of IAF and Highly classified data from USAF,
and has been verify numerously by a number of fighter pilots and defense analyst from all over the world.
Let's end it here.
Here's an USAF F-16 is caught in HUD
guess the fighter which caught it.
Note; This reply is only for santro and no further/any discussion with anyone would be entertained in this regard.
There are a number of maneuvers applied like split-S or half cuban split etc......
However a powerful radar ESA radar with larger scan area and high steering agility negates such things highly effectively.
To over come such disadvantaged situation manufacturers got TVC installed on their engines which helped to negate the disadvantage upto great extent.
An Interesting note in case you don't know........''when the brand new flankers went to airshows around Europe they used to install very powerful ground radars to measure RCS and record the flight/maneuverability of flankers so that they could develop the means to counter the lock breaks the it might put in a BVR engagement due to its super-maneuverability.......what they realized that whenever a cobra maneuver was performed the powerful ESA radars lost the flanker on its screen literally invisible....hence in that case the lock is broken and missile is lost/wasted.
So the financial capacity and politics plays a great part in such a scenario, and it virtually guarantees the f-16 will fall behind the Rafale. The Europeans can struggle all they want, but the bulk of these aircraft will probably be assembled in India and I doubt they will show the same amount of complacency shown by the Europeans.
ps. In no way was my last post implying a member of your seniority so I apologize if it came across that way.
A good and healthy debate is always beneficial for both participants so no need for apologizeps. In no way was my last post implying a member of your seniority so I apologize if it came across that way.
Dont insult our intelligence, we Pakistanis know what is right and what is wrong. In this modern day and age, anyone can go online and look at different sources to form an opinion. Internet is not blocked in Pakistan and the Media is independent, so stop spreading B.S lies.
Last edited by notorious_eagle; 07-11-2011 at 12:04 AM.
My worry remains the up and down relationship between Pakistan and US. The SABR AESA is a perfect example of an ideal upgrade in a few years, but would such upgrades even be allowed? The Americans usually have no problem allowing upgrades to f-16s in Europe since they are able to control those nations so thoroughly, or were the Indians to buy them...but when it comes Pakistan, the various US lobbies all work against us.
Which leaves us in a dilemma...we know the block 52s are fairly advanced for now...but lets say 5 years from now the US has left Afghanistan and wants nothing to do with us, will they even allow spares to come are way, much less upgrades to the radar or electronic counter measures suites. The aim-9x along with the new aim-120Ds are game changers and we may never be allowed access to them. So while Rafales and Eurofighters will employ Meteors and next gen short range missiles, our f-16s will be stuck in the early part of this decade.
What you say has great merit, but the Americans have never allowed our relationship to be predictable enough for us to breath easy. And id assume the PAF is betting on this as they procure more advanced jf-17s and j-10s to mask the eventual inadequacies of our f-16 fleet.
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