Red alert over Iran

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

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Future World war

People of South America + China + Africa + Majority of Asia + Russia

Vs Imperialist

[Pak47]

Future World war

People of South America + China + Africa + Majority of Asia + Russia

Vs Imperialist

something like this?

[Bobshouse]

I cant see WW3 happening anytime soon but I can see Iran getting a bombed with a few years. I dont believe WW3 is really a legitimate option to even think about. WW3 could mean the end of of human civilization as we know it. At the very least a nuclear war would mean vast tracts of this planet would be uninhabitable for thousands of years.
Seriously Iran is screwed just like a lot of middle eastern countries this decade. Peak oil has probably already hit, by the period of 2015-21 it will be so blaringly obvious the world is going to look in the mirror and think to themselves "what have I done". Prices everywhere will skyrocket and the world will be thrown into a deep depression. Only to emerge leaner and greener but not before a lot of social unrest, conflicts and a lot of deaths. Iran will be bombed for sure, the US will use the excuse of nuclear proliferation and will most likely put Iran into a North Korean style clamp. What will China and Russia do? Russia will be looking to shore up more of their Arctic claims to counteract the possibilities and China will continue to push into Africa and Asia looking to secure their share of energy. Look for the US soon to start the posturing to ramp up public support for a strike on Iran. They will be be working hard to break OPEC and try and control the supply of world oil. I cant see much good this decade to be honest, especially the later half of the decade.

[lem34]

Well the threat to WW3 is not Iran but America. America needs to be stopped from stealing world resorces

[AHMED85]

Future World war

People of South America + China + Africa + Majority of Asia + Russia

Vs Imperialist

you can arrange it at once in Wrestling

[Gold1010]

I cant see WW3 happening anytime soon but I can see Iran getting a bombed with a few years. I dont believe WW3 is really a legitimate option to even think about. WW3 could mean the end of of human civilization as we know it. At the very least a nuclear war would mean vast tracts of this planet would be uninhabitable for thousands of years.
Seriously Iran is screwed just like a lot of middle eastern countries this decade. Peak oil has probably already hit, by the period of 2015-21 it will be so blaringly obvious the world is going to look in the mirror and think to themselves "what have I done". Prices everywhere will skyrocket and the world will be thrown into a deep depression. Only to emerge leaner and greener but not before a lot of social unrest, conflicts and a lot of deaths. Iran will be bombed for sure, the US will use the excuse of nuclear proliferation and will most likely put Iran into a North Korean style clamp. What will China and Russia do? Russia will be looking to shore up more of their Arctic claims to counteract the possibilities and China will continue to push into Africa and Asia looking to secure their share of energy. Look for the US soon to start the posturing to ramp up public support for a strike on Iran. They will be be working hard to break OPEC and try and control the supply of world oil. I cant see much good this decade to be honest, especially the later half of the decade.

Let them dream.

[longbrained]

IMO - Next war will be on Syria because In case of war with Iran, Iran & Syria both will target Isreal and Syria can give heavy blow as it is very near. I am also not clear about the role of considerable Jew population in Iran - Will the support attack on Iran? If yes than how will Israel and US will ensure their safety, If not will they target Jews as well?

I think they will try to use Arab Spring type of trick with Iran rather than going on war directly, in this way they will not have any conflict with China & Russia.

Above are my thoughts, can be stupid as i am not think-tank at the moment

Actually imperial colonialists do not think like that. United States dropped the nuke exactly above a Christian community neighborhood in Japan since that neighborhood was at center of the city. They did not care if they were Christians, they just wanted to conquer.

[Indian Army]

[B] It has taken so long only because Israeli, British and US planners are not stupid; they know that messing with Iran is not like messing with Iraq or Pakistan or Afghanistan or Libya. Messing with Iran will bring Western Allies very dangerously close to messing with Russia and China.

WTF it is???? Militarily, Pakistan is much more powerful than Iran. Moreover, Pakistan is much closer to China. Indulging of Russia and China for Iran is the height of optimism.

[lem34]

WTF it is???? Militarily, Pakistan is much more powerful than Iran. Moreover, Pakistan is much closer to China. Indulging of Russia and China for Iran is the height of optimism.

I wrote the following sometime ago. You might not agree but may find it interesting:


UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES

One would have thought that Americans would have learned to be prudent about the unintended consequences of their actions by now.

After the case of Roe v. Wade which legalised abortion in America in 1973. Americans were surprised that some 15 to 20 years later that there were steep reductions in crime rates. Later studies [i]have suggested there is a link between the two. Simply unwanted children often fatherless were more inclined to commit crime in their teens. When the learned judges made this decision to legalise abortion they could not have dreamt of the effect on crime rates.

The Pakistani ISI proved itself to be a master chef in the eighties in the way they created an unpalatable meal for the Soviets which not only led to the withdrawal of the Soviets from Afghanistan but contributed to the eventual collapse of the Soviet system,. The ingredients included in this meal were American & Saudi money,Waabbi ideology, American weapons. The Saudi American & Pakistani“friends” revelled in their success. However this “success” was short lived because in particular the Americans didn't want to get involved in washing the dishes. They were happy to provide the ingredients, assist the cook but cleaning up after dinner was below them.

Not in the wildest dreams of the Americans could they foresee the unintended consequences.

With the demise of the Soviets the world entered a unipolar world with just one superpower America. But the seeds of destruction of the American empire had been sown by the Americans themselves.
1. It is now commonly accepted that the Americans were complicit in the creation of the Taleban/Al qaeda Frankenstein[ii]. The defeat of a superpower by irregulars was clearly a lesson that Osama & co took to heart. If they could destroy the Soviets why not the Americans?
2. It was the designation of Pakistan as a frontline state in the eighties by the Americans against Soviet expansion that enabled Pakistan to avoid first sanctions and second avoid a destruction of nuclear facilities by Israel/India/America a la Saddam’s Iraq style. Simply American actions allowed Pakistan get through the most sensitive stage of developing of nuclear weapons [iii].

The attack on the twin towers by Al Qaeda was not chosen as a random target. It was specifically chosen because it was recognised as symbol of western capitalism[iv]. Osama wanted to bleed america to death. He wanted America to leave arab lands because they would no longer be able to afford to finance wars in distant lands.

America’s disproportionate response to the twin towers attack; the invasion of Iraq & Afghanistan is estimated to have cost in the region of 4 trillion US dollars [v]. No one can deny the macroeconomic [vi]effects of the attack itself.
Osama it would appear has died but it would appear Americans are being bled to death. Today America has official unemployment standing at 9.2% in reality nearer 17% [vii]. One in six in america on food stamps [viii]. America today has a unsustainable deficit of $14 trillion plus.

If the US dollar was not the reserve currency America would be bankrupt as the French finance Minister Giscard d’estaing said in the sixties the reserve currency allows America the exorbitant privilege. This is what allow Americans to undertake quantitive easing aka printing money and get away with it.

There are two countries in the world that could destroy the US dollar as reserve currency overnight that is Saudi and China. If Saudis refused to accept the US dollar for their oil or if the Chinese started dumping the dollar that would be the end. However Saudis and Chinese would not be left unscathed themselves by these actions. If US dollar was not reserve currency a gallon of petrol in America would go over $100. Americans would be unable to fuel their weapons of terror like the F16’s. Even if Saudis and China were to take no action but continue decreasing their reliance on the dollar I estimate that the tipping point for the US$ will be reached within 10 years [ix].

Has Osama in death succeeded. Will historians in future years look back and say he struck the first fatal blow at Pax America

Clearly we are rapidly approaching the end of Pax America. America is on the demise and China is on the rise. Sometime in the future China will take over the role of world leader. This is inevitable as the sun rises. Its just a question of time. In the past empires have clashed and there has always been war and misery whenever the baton is exchanged. You may well think that America and British empire exchanged the baton peacefully. But this is not the case. Only Hitler and the Germans stopped direct hostilities between the British empire. In fact in 1930 America was making preparations to attack the British[x].

The big question is can Americans accept the new world order where they and white English speaking countries will not have the edge and control world resources.
We live in a world today that is often described as a global village. To me this just means that a steady osmosis has been taking place since the early nineties. Its like mixing water with a dye. It was happening because the dye and water were in contact, but the effect of the global village is to shake the bottle and mix the dye and water quickly and completely at a quicker rate. It is inevitable that this osmosis will see a redistribution of wealth and resources. The richer Americans will get poorer, the poorer Chinese will become richer etc. It is unlikely that the average Chinese will be as rich as the average American today. But the Chinese will be better off and the American worse off. The Americans or Europeans will will face greater difficult in adjusting as they are not used to hardship.

The west and or Americans use notions of democracy and human rights to try to gain the moral high ground which in reality is just an anaesthetic to soothe the collective conceience of the remnants' of the population of the Judeo Christian empire. When the writer refers to a country the reference is to the relevant countries government. The writer feels the necessity to say this because although America prides itself in that it is a democracy its foreign policy is dictated by a displined small number of American Jews (hense the demonising of Pakistan the only moslem country with nukes) with the majority of American people living in the ignorance fed on a daily diet of propaganda from the likes of Fox news. In the UK 75% of the electorate chose not to vote or vote against the present incumbent. Yet the govt can and does lead the UK into war. It is asserted that if such a thing as democracy existed wars would not exist. People do not choose to go to war. Governments decide to go to war. It is submitted the western notions of fairness and human rights are just a cloak for their nefarious designs.

Its with this background that we have to see American actions in the rest of the world including Iraq Afghanistan and Libya. It would seem that Syria Pakistan and Iran could soon be recipients of the American way of life in the near future. If Americans were to succeed in having their way in Afghanistan and Pakistan it would seriously threaten China bearing in mind that India is already friendly towards America. It would be a serious setback to Chinese in that supply routes could be closed by America at will.

China & Russia are probably the only two militaries that can afford to take America on and make Americans think twice. I say this because China & Russia are the only two countries that can threaten the American mainland with nuclear weapons.

I am not suggesting that they would necessarily win against America but they could certainly cause Americans unacceptable damage.

One can not help notice that when Russia took action against Georgia who Americans and Nato were making friendly overtures to Americans and Nato did little to help Georgia who they had earlier encouraged to be boisterous towards Russia. The American therefore can be pragmatic when pushed and their bluff is called.

American sabre rattling on Iran is not being ignored by Russia & China. Both have prevented Iran from being completely isolated. The Chinese and Russians were not happy with what happened in Libya and are unlikely to be conned again. The movement towards Syria by Russian assets and the refusal by Russians to accept missiles near their borders must not be ignored as the wishfull dreams of power by a former superpower.

With Putin about to be re-elected in Russia makes the way for a more assertive Russia when it comes to America. The only time there seemed that coordination was lacking between Medev and Putin was on the Libyan action and it was clear that Putin thought Nato’s actions were unacceptable and likened Natos actions to the Crusaders [xi].
I believe that the Chinese & Russians are keeping a close eye on what is happening and may coordinate their actions to prevent this

The danger is that Americans and Europe are in financial crisis and may need to get more adventurous in their search for stealing third world resources and influence and may use force. Will they risk the ire of China and or Russia? They will not in my opinion accept a new order that is not dominated by American, European and white English speaking countries? Could they? Will they risk WW3 with nukes?

Many will see a war hot or cold unlikely, because why should China or Russia risk their own assets for Pakistan, Iran etc? Could China not just keep rising without a war? My take is that the west can see what is going to happen ie if they dont take some sort of action they will no longer lead the world. If they keep managing to get away with their adventures in due course China & Russia will be targets.
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Lawrence Freeman from the Executive Intelligence Review magazine [xii]has stated that

“President Obama is acting on a British geopolitical plan to force a confrontation with Russia and China, a military confrontation of which Syrian and Iran would nearly be the ignition point. But the real goal is a war to stop the progress that Russia and China are engulfed in” .

I think in the face of this alliance Russia has a key part to play and America when it realises its losing may try bribing Russia. After all the Russians are white at least.

Will Russia & China have the foresight to prevent American and Nato from stealing and controlling the world resources before its too late?



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[i] JJ Donohue, Steven levitt
[ii]http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/1999/jan/17/yemen.islam
[iii]http://www.npolicy.org/userfiles/image/Could%20Anything%20Be%20Done%20to%20Stop%20Them.pd f
[iv]How-safe-should-we-feel-about-the-terrorist-threat
[v]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/war-on-terror-set-to-surpass-cost-of-second-world-war-2304497.html
[vi]http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/statistics/publications/ois_wp_impacts_911.pdf
[vii]http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/learn-how-to-invest/The-real-unemployment-rate.aspx
[viii]http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-3445_162-57328305/americas-new-poor/
[ix]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/the-demise-of-the-dollar-1798175.html
[x]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2039453/How-America-planned-destroy-BRITAIN-1930-bombing-raids-chemical-weapons.html
[xi] Video: Putin likens Libya air strikes to 'crusades' - Telegraph
[xii]http://rt.com/news/syria-iran-russia-china-921/

[bularab]

I dont think US will really attack on Iran...Iran is not so weak like AF or Iraq..And apart from that Russia and China will not support USA and most of the other developing nation may stay neutral and may voice concern as it will spiral up the oil prices...So it may end up like US may not find any friend diplomatically to support its attack on Iran apart from SA.

That's the key to the question! USA never defeated Afghanistan because Afghanistan never had its own military. USA never defeated the Taliban either.

[lem34]

That's the key to the question! USA never defeated Afghanistan because Afghanistan never had its own military. USA never defeated the Taliban either.

you are probably right. they have been shouting for 30 years now without doing anything so.. but if they do it could ignite a regional or WW.

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

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Well USA "Acknowledged" afghanistanis cannot be conquered, so they are running with their tails between their legs , and befriending Talibans now - what idiots wasted 10 years to realize Talibans were no harm to USA but what can you say when cowboy wants to roll , they roll - and ruine their own country in process



It took 3 weeks of no Popeye checking to make USA realize the war in Afghanistan was morally wrong

Can we also turn off the Pizza Hut supplies