I know they don't like Bengali's or Bihari's or anyone from "mainland" India, but the fact remains, they have become a colony for "mainland" India, just like we have become a vassal state. And we Bangladesh will always remain close neighbor to North East India, not "mainland" India, which is connected by a 14 mile wide Siliguri Corridor.
So, like I said, our approach to them will always be very different from our approach towards "mainland" India, which is a threat to us. North East states have the potential to be our equal trading and economic partner, just like all other ASEAN states further east. None will become a threat like what we have to our west, "mainland" India. That is just the basic geography and demographic situation (billion plus population, majority of whom are hostile to us because of history) of these land masses, which ultimately determine their geopolitics.
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just gave them shelter nothing else and even with such limited capacity they fought with
pride and valor against indian occupation army. We also didn't do much media campaign to
let the world know about the atrocities committed in NE by India. We failed the poor north-easteners miserably.
It is because of these efforts, India started working with Awami League and supported secessionist activities in East Pakistan, so they can remove ISI and Chinese intelligence presence in our land, and put in a India supporting govt.
Now the situation is much more complicated as China does not want a nuke confrontation with India over North East. Their best bet is trying to prevent as much as possible the migration of settlers from "mainland" India, even using insurgents, although I do not support killings at all.
The 4 lane freeway they want to build with ASEAN will greatly help the NE states people, as it will create economic, social and cultural linkage with their kin in ASEAN. And once they are developed enough, if they still think that they want to separate from India and join ASEAN (since it has the potential to develop much faster than India), then they can probably pursue that far in the future, in a nonviolent movement just like Gandhi did against the British. Whatever they want to do, our moral support should be with them, and I am sure Bengali Muslims in NE states will also be on their side in their struggles.
handedly back the NE freedom movement. I guess they were looking for chinese diplomatic
support but as a whole our diplomatic ability and leadership failed for some reason.Now Only a
economically industrilized BD and PAK along with china have some chance in liberating some
part of NE, but it will take time and India will always be an obstacle in the way.
And regarding the bolded part, Its will never in hell be possible. Hegemonic delhi don't understand non-violence and they would rather nuke NE than letting it go. Only way out for NE is to
fight guerilla war.
Is it when you guys pole vault into North-Eastern state, do the locals cry on your shoulders(about their mainland grudges) whilst the arse kicking they provide you guys for swarming their home like locusts?
Problem for you guys is, if someday you acquired the cojones to act on all the nefarious schemes you concoct...you just might fit the definition and end up turning your country into nuclear wasteland.
Anyways, I don't know about NE India.
Whatever shenanigans that went on over for God knows how many generations, there never really reached us in the form of terrorism and the like. But yes, various agents did take shelter in Bangladesh.
India's biggest security issue appears to be the Naxals. I read an interesting piece today, written by an Indian journalist. It came out today on DS's counterpoint column:
Source: http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesig...php?nid=241434Atrocities will further fuel Naxalism
The killing of 20 civilians by the Central Reserve Police Force in Bijapur in Central India's Chhattisgarh will go down as a black mark in the history of Indian counter - insurgency. All evidence suggests that the CRPF gravely mistook a village meeting to plan a seed festival for a Maoist gathering and indiscriminately fired on it.
Among the victims were two 15-year-old boys, a 12-year-old girl, and a professional drum player --hardly fit to be confused for armed Naxalites. Although the CRPF troops' bullet injuries remain unexplained, and four of those killed allegedly had police records, nothing suggests that Maoists ambushed the troops, who then fired in self-defence.
Even firing in self-defence cannot be indiscriminate. Besides, there's evidence of sexual assault and mutilation of dead bodies. This suggests collective punishment -- which is categorically unacceptable.
Equally deplorable is the butchery's rationalisation that the CRPF has no "system of segregating" guerrillas from civilians during gunfights, and Chief Minister Raman Singh's argument that Maoists use civilians as human shields, and are responsible for their deaths.
However, the present case appears less an instance of unintended damage than deliberate targeting. The attacking party followed the "fire-first-and-ask-questions-later" approach.
The incident emphasises the growing disconnect between the people and counterinsurgency troops, who have no comprehension of their language, culture and sensitivities, and whom they often consider inferior
In Chhattisgarh, Adivasi identities, rooted in an ancient civilisation, remain strong. It is only since the 1980s that they have been exposed to large-scale intrusion by external predatory interests like forest contractors and the mining mafia. The tribals have over the years lost land and access to forests.
The state fails to comprehend this as it pushes destructive mining and industrial projects, thus increasing the Adivasis' alienation. It hasn't even invested a fraction of what it spends on the paramilitary forces in addressing Adivasi grievances or helping its counterinsurgency troops understand the roots of tribal alienation amidst which Maoism thrives.
E.N. Rammohan -- a distinguished former Border Security Force chief with much counterinsurgency experience -- puts his finger on the nub: "Give land to the tiller and forests back to the tribals. Plus, bring down the vast gap between the rich and the poor… and the Maoists would be on the wane."
In Bijapur, the CRPF was in the first place wrong to open fire. The proper objective of a counterinsurgency operation is not to kill rebels, but to bring them to justice by establishing their culpability for specific crimes, and to isolate them politically from the population.
This civilian butchery has created fear and insecurity among the people. Many are planning to move out of their villages into neighbouring Andhra Pradesh. It will take generations for their scars to heal.
Politically, the incident is a huge victory for the Maoist argument that the Indian state is irredeemably anti-people and brutal. Democracy is a mere façade. It must be overthrown through an armed revolution.
The only way to redeem this situation is to award exemplary punishment to those responsible for the killings. India has paid a heavy price for not bringing the culprits of past counterinsurgency excesses to book.
Take the Chittisingpura massacre of 2000, in which 36 Sikhs were killed. Indian military forces killed five innocent locals at Pathribal in Anantnag district, claiming they were the culprits. Their bodies were dressed up in military uniforms and set on fire in an extraordinarily shoddy cover-up attempt. Officers were decorated and monetarily rewarded for this heinous crime. They compounded their offence by substituting the victims' DNA samples with fake ones.
The incident still rankles in Kashmir. Yet, nobody has been put on trial for it -- although the Supreme Court has strongly refuted the army's misguided invocation of the Armed Forces (Special Powers) Act to reject that demand.
The latest Chhattisgarh killings raise serious questions about the anti-Maoist campaign underway in nine states. It has come in for scathing criticism from an Expert Group of the Planning Commission.
The Group holds: "The methods chosen by the government to deal with the Maoist phenomenon [have] increased the people's distrust of the police and consequent unrest. Protest against police harassment is itself a major instance of unrest frequently leading to further violence by the police… which in effect triggers a second round of the spiral."
In many parts of India, the state has been captured by the rich or become dysfunctional and predatory upon the people. Notes the Expert Group: "One of the attractions of the Naxalite movement is that it does provide protection to the weak against the powerful.. One doesn't have to romanticise the Maoists to recognise this.
Green Hunt only pays lip service to the official "two-pronged" approach of "development" and "law-and-order," or simultaneously redressing popular grievances and using force. In practice, it overwhelmingly relies on brute force without recognising that the insurgency feeds on Adivasi dispossession and brutalisation.
The official premise that Maoism is India's "greatest internal security threat" is profoundly mistaken. The Maoists aren't about to capture power or destroy India's unity. They pose a civil law-and-order problem, which should be tackled by normal police methods -- good intelligence-gathering, crime control, painstaking evidence collection, and prosecution of those instigating or practising violence.
By contrast, social cohesion is gravely threatened by the communal Right, including the Bharatiya Janata Party and its associates, some of whom have embraced terrorism, but against whom the Indian state doesn't act.
The state must heed the counsel of counterinsurgency experts like Robert Thompson. "Hardly, if ever, has a counter-insurgency campaign been won strictly by waging war. Military action has an important role in overcoming guerrillas, but the philosophy espoused by the guerrillas must also be defeated and this requires a well-reasoned combination of political reform, civic action and education of the population."
As Mr. Rammohan puts it, a counterinsurgency operation must be "scrupulously legal." This is a precondition for its popular acceptance, and also for the state's legitimacy. When will India's rulers learn this?
The writer is an eminent Indian columnist.
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It appears that some folks never learn from history
They still appear to have many problems. Although, I do not think it should be any of our business either, as long as they don't threaten us.
But frankly, we shouldn't really be addressing India's security concerns either unless it is our security too. It should not be just some one way street.
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Does the North-East Belong in India ?
Does the North-East Belong in India ?
by NE BLOGGER on APRIL 1, 2011
I first discovered that ‘we’ were seen as ‘different’ when we moved to Chandigarh. I was 16, and rather surprised when we were visited at lunchtime by Mrs. Khunjoo , who lived in the next apartment. Surprised because we don’t generally expect visitors at lunchtime. Certainly not visitors who spring lithely over the balconies as Mrs Khunjoo did.
“Will you have lunch” my mother , ever hospitable asked her, the first time she manifested.
“No no sister,” she said. “i just want to see.”
“What do you want to see?”,I asked.
“No, please , just what you are eating ?”
She advanced upon our table. My Mother uncovered our serving dishes. She stared at it like some mystery was to be uncovered.
“Arre!” said Mrs Khujroo. “Rice? Dal?”
We do these things. We eat rice and dal but Mrs Khujroo was hoping that she would see something exotic.
“Do people from Nagaland really eat dogs?” asked my landlady when she first learnt that I was from the North East. She was offended when I walked out of the room. Mrs Vaidya (named changed to protect the innocent, namely me) failed to even realise that what she said could be offensive. Mrs Vaidya represents mainland India’s opinion about the seven states of North East India. But at least she has given me a place to stay. Many other North-Eastern students have been turned away because they don’t “look like us”. The other thing is institutional. Don’t believe it? Consider this.
One of India’s proudest moments was at the opening ceremony of the XIX Commonwealth Games. It was one of those moments when one feels proud to be part of such a great Indian Union. The Indian contingent marched in led by Abhinav Bindra proudly carrying our Indian flag. Before him, the signboard holder was wearing the Mizo tradition Puanchei dress. Such a proud moment for the North East to be finally recognised at a event of this scale.
The very next morning the Times of India front page had a photograph of the Indian contingent. “All the teams were led out by girls wearing saris in different styles, except for the Indian team, which was heralded by a girl in a Naga dress.” So much for a “knowledgeable” leading daily.
No North Eastern student in a mainland metropolitan city would be surprised by this sheer ignorance. It has become a part of their lives and an accepted fact that they do not belong here. Nor has the mainland made them feel like they’re part of this country. Hundreds of students come every year from the North East to seek admission in Delhi University. The joy of seeking admission is often cut short by the difficulties faced in the capital. Racial discrimination, language barriers, sexual harassment and trouble finding accommodation are only some of the numerous problems.
“How do you guys contribute to the economy besides tea and a few bombs to seek attention?” says an educated, upper middle class boy in a conversation we had about the various states in India. Of course, it did not matter that just one state, Assam, produces 55 per cent of India’s tea and 60 per cent of its plywood and a substantial part of its crude oil. Of course, he failed to name three out of the seven states. Of course, he didn’t even care to know the names of the capitals of the states. His attitude was clear; how did it matter.
“With a name like ***-am, what do you guys expect?” he says.
“Have you ever been to the North-East?” I asked.
“Are you nuts?” he asks, this brave mainlander, always willing to mock the name of a state to a woman. “Dude, you guys are like dangerous. I might get killed or abducted or something.”
But then I don’t expect much better from him. He thinks Muslims should “go back where they came from”. (I won’t go into what it is like to be Muslim and North-Eastern. Not enough room. Not enough time.)
To the mainland, the seven states of the North-East are ‘sisters’. This term reeks of paternalism, a patriarchal way of reducing seven independent and diverse states into a single identity. This is why I get really angry when the media talks about the problems of the North-East. Manipur is not Assam. The problems of Meghalaya are different from the problems of Arunachal Pradesh. Trying to work out a single solution that will be inclusive is like trying to find one cure for all ailments.
Let’s consider what happens when Shabana Azmi decides to fast for the rights of slum dwellers facing eviction. The media arrive. The politicians make promises. And within a week, Ms Azmi can return to her biriani. Meanwhile Irom Sharmila has entered the eleventh year of her superhuman fast, protesting the indefensible Armed Forces Special Powers Act (AFSPA) that has been imposed in Manipur and most of the Northeast since 1980.The Act allows the army to use force, arrest or shoot anyone on the mere suspicion that someone has committed or was about to commit a cognisable offence. The Act also prohibits any legal or judicial proceedings against army personnel without the sanction of the Central Government. Is this how our own country wants to treat its citizens? When the government imposes such measures, it only speaks of the centre’s failure as a governing body. Even as the entire country marks the anniversary of Mumbai 26/11, most mainland Indians remain ignorant of the fact that hundreds of their brothers and sisters that die every year of government action.
Some argue that it is the sheer physical isolation that makes it impossible for mainland India to find out about anything about the North-East. States like Tripura and Arunachal and Mizoram aren’t even connected by the railways let alone any other form of infrastructural and educational development. Nitin Gokhale, an NDTV journalist who has written extensively about the North East and its problems says, “Physical isolation from the mainland has aggravated the already existing mental quarantine”. So we don’t even exist and if we do we’re not part of India.
What does it take to qualify to be an Indian? When Nehru spoke about our tryst with destiny, was he thinking the North East? When the Jana Gana Mana was adopted as the National Anthem, did anyone think of the North East? Is anyone thinking right now ?
NB : This is post by Leilah Zeenat Hazarika from North East India, living in Mumbai. Her twitter account is : Like the Song (@Leilah_zeenat) on Twitter. We encourage you to follow her to get updates about North East India.
The original post is found in her Facebook Notes here.
Some interesting comments (I did not include comments from "mainland Indians" except for a few):
Puanthanmei Panmei March 20, 2012 at 1:16 pm
YES , North -East is a direction, with respect to KOLKATA . When th British rule India,Kolkata was the Capital of British India .Those indigenous people living in N-E wrt kolkata are TIBETO- BURMAN, race and are NOT INDIAN for many centuries. When the expansion of British India colonies took placed in late 19 century, the British India rule N-E.
After WW -II the Britisher Gave freedom in 14th August 1947.But The INDIAN GOVT. forcefully merge NE into INDIAN Teritory. AFTER THE BRITISHER LEFT .
P. Elangovan April 2, 2011 at 2:32 pm
You’re right, the NE is meant to have been independent, but the British rule brought it into india which is what happened to Tamil Nadu as well. india is, at its core, just a northern narrow minded pastureland with no room for pluralism, multiculturalism and progressive thinking. The discrimination you mention is identical to what I encountered up in the north, and I am not even different looking from the cowbelt denizens, purely because I speak Tamil and no hindy.
It is time we looked at the future of our own countries and steer clear of india which is clearly destined to an embattled future. india’s enemies, i.e., Pakistan and China, are not our enemies. Therein lies the key.
samantha chongmwin April 27, 2011 at 10:12 am
i don’t know..i am from nagaland….i went to mumbai some years before one guy came up to me and asked me from which country do u belong ? what a silly question….i told of course india…he told from where…i told nagaland…he told that…u are a guest of honour for us…as if i were a foreigner…i told what an idiot u are do we say people coming from mumbai to northeast like that he instantly came up with the question why do u people from northeast look like chinky kind u know ..i instantly walked away disgusted cause he offended me enough to make me angry….
khasiman May 8, 2011 at 2:38 pm
historically northeast is not a part of india .the indian forcefully annexed it after their independence from the brits ,just like what china did to tibet,we have no indian quality.And now they are colonising us.
khasiman May 11, 2011 at 4:32 pm
a pack of indian ,ugly ,blackie, dirty ,******,indian sucks. i am from northeast i don’t consider myself as indian we have our own identity ,we have our own history,nothing related to india. please don’t force yourself into being indian . no one like it not even the indian .
Ashamed Indian of how Nagas were treated August 10, 2011 at 2:46 pm
A created identity will never work, they have their own identity that they have carried for hundreds of years. Indian is considered as a multiple personality disorder syndrome. Where will this madness end then ? Keep expanding the definition to cover Afghans, Arabs, Europeans, Burmese, Chinese in the end ? Somewhere the boundaries have to be drawn. Thousands of stars shine bright at night, each one having it’s own identity and own beauty, to see them the sun has to go away, in the brightness of one sun, all these stars vanish. To impose an Idea on them, of “India”, thousands and thousands were killed. A country that itself has confusion about it’s identity before the world and can’t even keep peace within itself, what sort of an entity can provide peace to occupied tribes ? Who created these boundaries? Who decides them? Hinduism? Nimrod? who ? How many of them have to die to make Indians feel good about themselves ? Murdering human beings or kidnapping some one and claiming them to be your son or daughter or brother won’t work. Let them go, and let them have a referendum to decide wether they want to join with this created super state or stand on their own. As a people they can decide that, just as “Indians”, or whatever 2000 ethnic groups in it are , don’t want europeans to decide for them.
surandash urikhimbam August 13, 2011 at 6:18 am
its better if north east is separated from india
the definer August 28, 2011 at 5:29 am
Keep expanding your definition of “Indian’ to cover Arabs, Europeans, and Latin Americans. People arn’t interested in your created multiple personality disorder syndrome , confused of your own identity. A nation is defined by it’s culture, borders, language, heritage, blood links, ancestral identity, familial ties.
If “South East Asians” are “Indians”, then, “Indians” are Turks , as the Turks and Afghans and Persians had their empire down there. You can take someone else’s daughter and kidnap her, and rape her repeatedly, and keep telling her, she is your daughter, won’t make it your daughter.
A created nation-state , created in 1947. We all have our own identities, that our forefathers gave us, not New Delhi. This whole “Indian” thing never existed in the past, forgieners put this name , in reality each nation-kingdom had it’s own identity , each tribe it’s own.
Nations keep changing, and it’s boundaries keep changing, I am sure tomorow, russia’s boundary can extend south wards and you can become russians. But the blood in you won’t change would it ?
Sachet Upadhya October 14, 2011 at 8:25 pm
You claim whole Far East Asia was part of indian empire. which indiam empire are you talking about? I agree Far Eatern countires especially Khemers in combodia practised a form of “Sanatan Dharma” but they still had their own culture. It was not by any means Indian Empire.
During the medival times there was no such thing as india or hindu, these names were given to people of sub-continent by European and Muslim invaders. Before Muslim and European invasion different kinds of “Sanatan Dharma ” was practised by people from central asia to present day combodia.
According to you claim everything from central asia to combodia should be India which is totally bogus. Point is different people and culture can practise same religion it does not mean they are all the same people.
Just my two cents..
Shahid September 1, 2011 at 4:14 am
Hello Chitrakut, I can tell you about many non-arabs who live in Saudi Arabia,mecca,Medina,etc. Just becoz Hinduism doesn’t allow Dalits( whom it considers ****** subhuman fouth class animals) into Brahmin temples,doesn’t mean an Egalitarian religion like Islam also has that practice. Islamic world from Spain to Indonesia has much more diversity that India has……. Although I respect India,i do not see Hindus respecting Muslim world. Islam is a great religion and some blabbering by you is doing nothing but fooling your own self! Anyways IT WAS MUSLIMS WHO RULED INDIA AND BROUGHT PROSPERITY TO IT,When we ruled,India had 25% share in the world trade and no one could even think of attacking India.It was the traitor Marathas along with Nizams who helped Brits to attack Tipu Sultan who was defending this country.This helped the Brits establish footprints in India.They themselves considered the Tipu’s ISLAMIC kingdom the Last MAJOR obstacle in their path to India’s complete capture..
As far as NE is concerned, EVEN Aurangzeb couldn’t capture it so it must be Given Freedom as INDIA has done INJUSTICE to them.
RUSHIKA October 11, 2011 at 4:22 am
wtf is the prob if we eat dogs …yes we eat silkworms …ants..any prob itz our food
man ….if tis goes on lyk tis we dont want 2 b apart of u …
no ones beggin for ur attention or respect
james January 16, 2012 at 4:25 am
aftr reading all the commnts ..i
came at a point tat indians have
treated people of NE v.badly ..n
nw also they do ,may be it has
lessen but but..its v.poor thnkng
of an Indian.
Govt.of india should take care of
every state especialy
Tripura..becoz tat land belongs
to Tripuri tribe..dan how can a
bengali refugee is leading a
state..n those people are
cuming 4m bangladesh..through
them out of country ..As Bengali
leads in WB,Marathi leads
Maharastra,Bihari leads Bihar
etc etc etc dan why a Tripuri or
Dberma is nt leading Tripura??
if indian govt. and indian people
cant treat or except The people
of NE india as a true indian
brother and sister than i think its
better to be seperated.
and that doesnt mean tat NE
should Be added to China,its
true that people looks same.but
Chinese may also treat NE like
Tibet. .better to form a seperate
COUNTRY Or INDIAN
govt.should change the
situation Or Chinese can take NE
giving a surety of proper
No nid to fight
What to do is v.simple just take
public votes and comments and
do as what the people of NE
all what i want is do not capture
i m jst talkng the reality.
not with any1 s favour..
Keith April 30, 2012 at 3:35 pm
Subhodip u r wrong about north east states begging to merge with india for protection.maharaj budhachandra of manipur was forced to sign at gun point.
Now we r part of india.
Disruptor May 2, 2012 at 12:12 pm
Oh come on man! North east is not a part of india.just accept it
Bangladesh obviously cannot support this kind of effort for obvious reasons, but we can definitely deny India any help with their problem. That is all we can do.
With their insurgency, if they can minimize migration from "mainland" India, then they may be able to do something in the future if the opportunity presents itself. But the situation now will not give them independence from a guerrilla war. More importantly what they need to do is play a RAW game with them, same one that RAW played in East Pakistan to create Bangladesh. They will need to find political party such as ULFA and unify all NE states insurgents under one umbrella, have a non-military political wing and go for election, just like Awami League did in 1970 all in a very legal way that India will not be able to stop, with some kind of 6 point demand program. All this has to be done with cooperation with Chinese intelligence of course, just as RAW was involved with Awami League. Only in this kind of scenario, the situation will get interesting. A war can be won only when there is a neighboring ally willing to take risk in an all out action, but most importantly the hearts and minds of the population has to be won and politically unified under a single political party. Then increasing insurgent pressure will have to be put on occupying Indian army, provoking them into some kind of severe crackdown just like Operation Searchlight. This way the gulf of divide between occupying Indian army and the local population can be made bigger and bigger and then the rest will follow.
- first they need China's full backing
- 2nd political movement has to succeed to polarize and unify the population and
- 3rd, insurgency will provoke Indian Army into a crackdown to further alienate local population from "mainland" Indian state
Currently step one is missing, so its a no go.
Kallu Miah or Lallu Miah will now beg Chinese even to support insurgency in India.
Why won't China support insurgency in India for Bangladesh as they will built seaport, railine, bridge blah blah. It made be laugh a lot when I came to know Chittagong-Kunming rail line is hoax, which is actually Kunming-kyaukphyu rail line.
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