Bangladesh Navy's submarine procurement program

[Raquib]

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The BN is going to procure 4 Turkish-built Type-209 attack submarine by 2012. One submarine is supposed be delivered by 2010.

Type-209 Attack Submarine

Class overview
Builders: Howaldtswerke-Deutsche Werft
Arsenal de Marinha, Rio de Janeiro
Mazagon Dock Limited, Mumbai
Daewoo Shipbuilding & Marine Engineering
Gölcük Naval Shipyard

Operators: See Below
Preceded by: Type 206 submarine
Succeeded by: Type 214 submarine
In commission: 1971-present
Planned: 64
Completed: 61
Cancelled: 3
Active: 60
Laid up: 1

General characteristics

Type: Type 209/1500 submarine
Displacement: 1,810 t, submerged
Length: 64.4 m
Beam: 6.5 m
Draft: 6.2 m
Propulsion: Diesel-electric, 4 diesels, 1 shaft, 6100 shp
Speed:11.5 knots (21 km/h), surfaced; 22.5 knots (42 km/h), submerged
Range: 11,000 nmi. at 10 knots, surfaced,
(20,000 km at 20 km/h);8,000 nmi. at 10 knots, snorkeling,
(15,000 km at 20 km/h);400 nmi. at 4 knots, submerged
(740 km at 7 km/h)
Test depth: 500 m
Complement: 36
Armament: 8 x 21-inch (553 mm) torpedo tubes,
14 torpedoes; optional UGM-84 Harpoon integration

[iajdani]

Does anybody know whether BD already signed the contract or not???? Or this is just a speculation?

[idune]

No Bangladesh did not.

Type 209 is old platform and operated by India for many years. Buying these would be strategic and huge economic mistake as in near future these will loose any strategic or even defensive value.

Better and best option would be going after type 214. Even with expense (spread in multiple years) type 209 would be potent for generation.

But with Awami govt in power and working for destruction of Bangladesh armed forces, talk of any arms procurement is just naive.

[khaled_m_ali]

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[iajdani]

Well you said it was discussed in 2005 parliament but Mr. Khandaker said in 2009 parliament that he is buying only 3 frigates!!! So submarine still a distant dream for BN I suppose.
Regarding type-209, I believe this should be enough, if you compare them with our other armament. I may suggest to get 2x 209 and 2x 214. Get couple of them refurbished and at least one with most sophistication which can back the othre ones up.
Also we need good air force to have a functioning navy. Without airforce they are just sitting duck in open sea.

[khaled_m_ali]

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[iajdani]

He said 3x frigates purchase procedures were almost complete. Frigates were the most important and easily available item on that purchase list, so it is natural that they would come first in the procurement process.

Like we have been saying, Type-209 will be procured until 2010, which is still 2 years away.

Before we can get the subs Bangladesh needs submarine infrastructure including docks haulage facilities, training centre, etc. Turkey has reportedly agreed to develop these provided we buy Type-209-1400s from them.

We do not have option to buy the Type-214, later after 2015 when Turkey has had some experience in license building the Type-214 we might get 2x of the subs to supplement our Type-209s.

I heard the news of British team who are coming to talk about frigates. Are we getting british ones??? That would be awesome. Also are we going to keep the older ones in service for few more years as burmese are becoming real pain in the aassss lately.

[khaled_m_ali]

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[deltacamelately]

Well you said it was discussed in 2005 parliament but Mr. Khandaker said in 2009 parliament that he is buying only 3 frigates!!! So submarine still a distant dream for BN I suppose.
Regarding type-209, I believe this should be enough, if you compare them with our other armament. I may suggest to get 2x 209 and 2x 214. Get couple of them refurbished and at least one with most sophistication which can back the othre ones up.
Also we need good air force to have a functioning navy. Without airforce they are just sitting duck in open sea.

Against whom?

[leonblack08]

Against whom?

We have two good neighbours you see,India and Myanmar.Perfect combination,ain't it?

[idune]

1. Britain can only give second hand guided missile frigates. The frigate classes BN may be able to buy from UK are Cornwall (Type-22) Class and Duke (Type-22) Class frigates.

2. Though these vessels are many years old, they are aging and will require substantial sums of money to be spent for extensive upgrades and refurbishing process.

3. As they are old these vessels will still have to replaced after a number of years, so it will not be very wise to purchase them for our ambitious navy. Plus the British ask very high prices for second hand Type-22s and Type-23s. Romania purchased a Type-22 from RN at a very high price.

3. The Type-22 and Type-23 FFGs (after refurbishing) will be superior to Chinese built Jianghus and Jiangweis. However the best options for BN would be the Jiangkai-IIA (Type-54A) Class (China) and Ulsan (Mod.) Class (South Korea).

4. The older British frigates in service with BN are obsolete in modern combat. They are not equipped with SSMs and SAMs. Presently the Salisbury and Leopard Class frigates are used for training ad patrol duties. After 3x new frigates are acquired the existing ones will either be retired or used for training and patrol. They could be used for offshore patrol as BN lacks sufficient numbers of OPVs.

If it is for Type 23 (what Chile got) I think these would be good addition to BN. Most of Type 23 came active in mid to late 90s, are not that old. With some upgrade these could be very potent in our neighborhood.

Compare to $100 million we paid for one Korean frigate. Chile paid $242 million USD for three Type 23 (refit, transfer and training) in 2004-05. Given these ships are older and dire economic condition in UK we may get good deal for three of these.

Type 22 are too old and would not be as good platform.

[M_Saint]

1. Britain can only give second hand guided missile frigates. The frigate classes BN may be able to buy from UK are Cornwall (Type-22) Class and Duke (Type-22) Class frigates.

2. Though these vessels are many years old, they are aging and will require substantial sums of money to be spent for extensive upgrades and refurbishing process.

3. As they are old these vessels will still have to replaced after a number of years, so it will not be very wise to purchase them for our ambitious navy. Plus the British ask very high prices for second hand Type-22s and Type-23s. Romania purchased a Type-22 from RN at a very high price.

3. The Type-22 and Type-23 FFGs (after refurbishing) will be superior to Chinese built Jianghus and Jiangweis. However the best options for BN would be the Jiangkai-IIA (Type-54A) Class (China) and Ulsan (Mod.) Class (South Korea).

4. The older British frigates in service with BN are obsolete in modern combat. They are not equipped with SSMs and SAMs. Presently the Salisbury and Leopard Class frigates are used for training ad patrol duties. After 3x new frigates are acquired the existing ones will either be retired or used for training and patrol. They could be used for offshore patrol as BN lacks sufficient numbers of OPVs.

Khaled Bhai,

Salaam. If you are imbeded with BD Mil's procure team then please inform them that there are a few ready made Corvettes that have been manufactured for BRUNEI NAVY by BRITS are available out there. For some reason Brunei GOVT isn't taking the delivery and it would be great for BD or PAK NAVY if it can acquire them. The following is a little write up about it,

F2000 Class Corvettes

The Royal Brunei Navy is a small coastal defense force tasked with patrolling Bruneian waters and defending the offshore oil industry. It is currently undergoing a large-scale modernization, with the upgrading of the MuaraMuara, Brunei
Muara is a town in the Brunei and Muara district, Brunei. It contains the country's only deep-water port. Muara is the Malay language word for estuary....
Naval Base and the purchase of 3 British-built Corvettes from BAE Systems Naval ShipsBAE Systems Naval Ships
BAE Systems Naval Ships, until 2003 a part of BAE Systems Marine, is a wholly owned subsidiary of BAE Systems, responsible for the company's surface shipbuilding operations....
, ScotlandScotland
Scotland is a nation in northwest Europe and one of the constituent country Country of the United Kingdom....
. The contract was awarded to GEC-Marconi in 1995 and the Nakhoda Ragam class OPVNakhoda Ragam class OPV
The Nakhoda Ragam class is a class of offshore patrol vessels of the Royal Brunei Navy and named after the lead ship of the class, in turn named after a legendary Malay seafarer....
s were launched in January 2001, June 2001 and June 2002 at the then BAE Systems MarineBAE Systems Marine
BAE Systems Marine Ltd. was the shipbuilding subsidiary of BAE Systems which manufactured the full range of naval ships; nuclear submarines, frigates, destroyers, amphibious ships....
yard at Scotstoun. These have been completed but have not been delivered from BAE Systems Naval ShipsBAE Systems Naval Ships
BAE Systems Naval Ships, until 2003 a part of BAE Systems Marine, is a wholly owned subsidiary of BAE Systems, responsible for the company's surface shipbuilding operations....
in ScotstounScotstoun
Scotstoun is a district of Glasgow, Scotland, west of Glasgow City Centre. It is bounded by Yoker to the west, Whiteinch to the east, Jordanhill to the north and the River Clyde to the south....
due to claims by the Royal Brunei Navy that the ships fail to meet the required specifications.

The ships are armed with MBDA Exocet Block IIExocet
The Exocet is a France-built anti-ship missile whose various versions can be launched from surface vessels, submarines, and airplanes....
anti-ship missileAnti-ship missile
* Submarines* Fixed wing aircraft* Helicopters* Ground vehiclesAShMs are a significant threat to modern warships and were used extensively in the 1982 Falklands War....
s and MBDA SeawolfSea Wolf missile
Sea Wolf is a naval missile system designed and built by British Aircraft Corporation, later to become British Aerospace Dynamics....
surface to air missiles. The contract dispute is the subject of arbitrationArbitration
Arbitration is a law technique for the resolution of disputes outside the courts, wherein the parties to a dispute refer it to one or more persons, by whose decision they agree to be bound....
.

[khaled_m_ali]

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[iajdani]

Walaikum-assalaam.

At present BN has the following options available (for guided missile frigates):

1. Jiangkai Class (China)
2. Ulsan (Mod.) Class (South Korea)
3. F-22P (They were interested in this one) (China)
4. Jiangwei Class
5. Type-22 (Cornwall Class)
6. Type-23 (Duke Class)
7. Jianghu Class

A very high price was being asked for the Nakhoda Ragam Class corvettes; actually the price was higher than the unit price of the upgraded Ulsan (Mod.) Class guided missile frigate. Plus the Ulsan class vessel faced many difficulties after being upgraded with various components from different manufacturers, also BN hastily placed orders for 2x Jianghu Class FFGs from China in the late 80s without even trialing them properly, so when the first vessel was delivered BN was not at all pleased with it. The vessel had very limited crew comfort and had many other significant shortcomings as well (such as no NBC suite, no AC system, no SAM, etc.). The order for the second Jianghu was cancelled and the first vessel was almost immediately planned for extensive upgrades. They had to suffer because of these vessels. That is why BN is no longer going to hastily jump into procurements without proper inspection and testing of vessel capabilities and technologies.

BN will be getting the submarines once necessary submarine infrastructure is constructed in Bangladesh, the first batch of crews is scheduled to complete their training sometime this year.

Procurement of the 3x frigates will be shortly followed by procurement of 4x corvettes.

BN has inspected the Turkish Milgem Class and has expressed intention to locally produce the vessels; BN initially gave out tender for 4x corvettes and as much as a further planned 12x corvettes will be procured by 2020.

If we get those 4x corvettes after these 3x frigates supported by 50x missile boats then our Navy will be pretty much well equipped to face any adversary including India. We just need few submarines now.
Any plan for procuring destroyer????

[khaled_m_ali]

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