India may declare no-firing along Bangladesh border

[A$HU]

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Indian military rougue elements hard to predict their action one moment they bomb blast in own city other moment they set fire on trains , ocassionally shoot in air while drunk , just bad publicity stunt

Thanks for spreading your divine knowledge.We are indeed enlightened by your views.It was an eye opener.

a bit offtopic-I seriously like you azadpakistan .You are my favorite member here.Your threads about pakistan's military requirement and etc .Sometimes funny but they are awesome dude.Truly a patriotic pakistani.

[gowthamraj]

Banging even few BSF people would be good to make their heads placed in right place.

BSF only fires on Bangladeshi civilians

jana are you saying 2001 incident? when BDR captured some bsf persons and tortured. . if that again happend then BDR WILL FACE LOT OF UNTIL THEY GO HELL. . .

[A$HU]

I wonder why Indian posters are supporting the Delhi move this time not to fire and kill innocent people at the BD-India border. These posters have all along been making a pretext that without such killings the hungry BD citizens will flood their holy sh:t land, and there are 200 million hu7ngry and illegal BD citizens there. How pathetic these Indians are! It amuses me to see their about turn. Indians are not sincere and they lack integrity.

Please take back your 200 million people back and do us a nice favour and your population density which is the highest will just double.And many of these people are engaged in illegal activities.Instead of being thankful that we provide food and shelter to your 200 million people,you are being such ignorant.No country would provide refuge to 200 million people.We ourselves being a country that has so much poverty is providing them our food and resources.The moment we tell your immigrants to leave ,your country and economy both will be destroyed. So stop being ignorant and dont make yourself blind in hatred.

[A$HU]

Banging even few BSF people would be good to make their heads placed in right place.

BSF only fires on Bangladeshi civilians

What does U.S do when the mexicans infiltrate the border illegally?And what will pakistani rangers do if millions of indians start infiltrating your country.Now I think you got your answer.

[gowthamraj]

Thanks for spreading your divine knowledge.We are indeed enlightened by your views.It was an eye opener.

a bit offtopic-I seriously like you azadpakistan .You are my favorite member here.Your threads about pakistan's military requirement and etc .Sometimes funny but they are awesome dude.Truly a patriotic pakistani.

YA I ALSO LOVE AZAD PAKISTAN SOOOO MUCH I LIKE HIS ALL POST EVEN THOUGH IT'S SOME FUNNY . . ILIKE HIS HUMOUR VERY MUCH FOR HIS HAPPY

[idune]

Please take back your 200 million people back and do us a nice favour and your population density which is the highest will just double.

First of all labling own poor population as another country's citizen and disowning them is not the fast track way of shining india. Uplifting 500 million india poor population is only way india can do anything.

Second, because of this mentality that repressing 500 million indian poor is only fast track way to reach "super power" status has its consequences. That's why almost half of indian is riddle with maoist movement.
The Map Scroll: Maoists in India

Third but not last before disowning millions of india poor give their land back. That means west bengal, Bhihar, Orissa and whole of NE. These lands are colonial inheritance and NOT part of india.

[fallstuff]

What does U.S do when the mexicans infiltrate the border illegally?And what will pakistani rangers do if millions of indians start infiltrating your country.Now I think you got your answer.

This is from 2006.

2 Border Patrol agents face 20 years in prison
Officers prosecuted – wounded drug trafficker given full immunity in exchange for testimony

When Border Patrol Agent Ignacio Ramos pulled the trigger last February, all he knew was that his partner was lying on the ground behind him – bloodied from a struggle with a fleeing suspect – shots had been fired and now, it appeared, the drug smuggler he was pursuing had turned toward him with what looked to be a gun in his hand.

In the split-second he had to respond, Ramos determined the course of his and his partner's lives – federal prison for the next 20 years for assault with serious bodily injury, assault with a deadly weapon, discharging of a firearm in relation to a crime of violence, violating civil rights and obstruction of justice.

Ramos, 37, is an eight-year veteran of the U.S. Naval Reserve and a former nominee for Border Patrol Agent of the Year.


Agent Jose Alonso Compean. Courtesy of KFOX-TV

On Feb. 17, he responded to a request for back up from agent Jose Alonso Compean, 28, who noticed a suspicious van near the levee road along the Rio Grande River near the Texas town of Fabens, about 40 miles east of El Paso.

Ramos, who headed toward Fabens hoping to cut off the van, soon joined a third agent already in pursuit.

Behind the wheel of the van was an illegal alien, Osvaldo Aldrete-Davila of Mexico. Unknown to the growing number of Border Patrol agents converging on Fabens, Aldrete-Davila's van was carrying 800 pounds of marijuana.

Unable to outrun Ramos and the third agent, Aldrete-Davila stopped the van on the levee, jumped out and started running toward the river. When he reached the other side of the levee, he was met by Compean, who had anticipated the smuggler's attempt to get back to Mexico.

"We both yelled out for him to stop, but he wouldn't stop, and he just kept running," Ramos told California's Inland Valley Daily Bulletin. Aldrete-Davila crossed a canal.

"At some point during the time where I'm crossing the canal, I hear shots being fired," Ramos said. "Later, I see Compean on the ground, but I keep running after the smuggler."

At that point, Ramos said, Aldrete-Davila turned toward him, pointing what looked like a gun.

"I shot," Ramos said. "But I didn't think he was hit, because he kept running into the brush and then disappeared into it. Later, we all watched as he jumped into a van waiting for him. He seemed fine. It didn't look like he had been hit at all."

The commotion and multiple calls for back up had brought seven other agents – including two supervisors – to the crossing by this time. Compean picked up his shell casings, but Ramos did not. He also did not follow agency procedure and report that he had fired his weapon.

"The supervisors knew that shots were fired," Ramos told the paper. "Since nobody was injured or hurt, we didn't file the report. That's the only thing I would've done different."

Had he done that one thing differently, it's unlikely it would have mattered to prosecutors.

Over two weeks after the incident, Christopher Sanchez, an investigator with the Department of Homeland Security's Office of Inspector General, received a call from a Border Patrol agent in Wilcox, Ariz. The agent's mother-in-law had received a call from Aldrete-Davila's mother in Mexico telling her that her son had been wounded in the buttocks in the shooting.

Sanchez followed up with a call of his own to the smuggler in Mexico.

In a move that still confuses Ramos and Compean, the U.S. government filed charges against them after giving full immunity to Aldrete-Davila and paying for his medical treatment at an El Paso hospital.

At trial, Assistant U.S. Attorney Debra Kanof told the court that the agents had violated an unarmed Aldrete-Davila's civil rights.

"The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled it is a violation of someone's Fourth Amendment rights to shoot them in the back while fleeing if you don't know who they are and/or if you don't know they have a weapon," said Kanof.

Kanof dismissed Ramos' testimony that he had seen something shiny in the smuggler's hand, saying that the agent couldn't be sure it was a gun he had seen.

Further, Kanof argued, it was a violation of Border Patrol policy for agents to pursue fleeing suspects.

"Agents are not allowed to pursue. In order to exceed the speed limit, you have to get supervisor approval, and they did not," she told the Daily Bulletin.

The shell casings Compean picked up were described to the jury as destroying the crime scene and their failure to file an incident report – punishable by a five-day suspension, according to Border Patrol regulations – an attempted cover up.

The Texas jury came back with a guilty verdict. Conviction for discharging a firearm in relation to a crime of violence has an automatic 10-year sentence. The other counts have varying punishments. Ramos and Compean will be sentenced next month.

"How are we supposed to follow the Border Patrol strategy of apprehending terrorists or drug smugglers if we are not supposed to pursue fleeing people?" said Ramos, who said that he only did on that day what he had done for the previous 10 years. "Everybody who's breaking the law flees from us. What are we supposed to do? Do they want us to catch them or not?"

He also noted that none of the other agents who had responded to the incident filed reports that shots were fired and, besides, both supervisors at the scene knew they had discharged their weapons.

"You need to tell a supervisor because you can't assume that a supervisor knows about it," Kanof countered. "You have to report any discharge of a firearm."

"This is the greatest miscarriage of justice I have ever seen," said Andy Ramirez of the nonprofit group Friends of the Border Patrol. "This drug smuggler has fully contributed to the destruction of two brave agents and their families and has sent a very loud message to the other Border Patrol agents: If you confront a smuggler, this is what will happen to you."

The El Paso Sheriff's Department has increased its patrols around the Ramos home. The family is receiving threats from people they believe are associated with Aldrete-Davila.

[LCA Tejas]

Indian military rougue elements hard to predict their action one moment they bomb blast in own city other moment they set fire on trains , ocassionally shoot in air while drunk , just bad publicity stunt

And How is that related to My question??? If army shoots at air, Why pakistani Soldiers say they are attacked and blindly shoot?? , Living in fear of attack from our side?

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

And How is that related to My question??? If army shoots at air, Why pakistani Soldiers say they are attacked and blindly shoot?? , Living in fear of attack from our side?

Well with indian soliders you know its 50/50 chance, when they are shooting at you, it feels like they are shooting in air - cus the aim is kinda off by 90 degrees. So the word from General Sahib is , don't worry if they fire just thru in a camp fire and roast some dear and drink some KADAK tapal chai

[LCA Tejas]

Well with indian soliders you know its 50/50 chance, when they are shooting at you, it feels like they are shooting in air - cus the aim is kinda off by 90 degrees. So the word from General Sahib is , don't worry if they fire just thru in a camp fire and roast some dear and drink some KADAK tapal chai

Perhaps thats why You were criticized for Sending paramilitary troops Inside Indian border during War, You have to send your elite troops to deal with our reserve police force, and that too failed..lol... You were criticized by the world for that Action.. Indeed our firing is 50/50.. 50 chance to injure and another 50 to kill....

[eastwatch]

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jana are you saying 2001 incident? when BDR captured some bsf persons and tortured. . if that again happend then BDR WILL FACE LOT OF UNTIL THEY GO HELL. . .

Where do you get such information as BDR had tortured your BSF troops in Roumary? On the contrary, they had put two captured and wounded IA troops on a hilicopter to be taken to Dhaka to treat their wounds. But, of course, you will now come out with another argument that blindfolding itself is a symptom of torture.

BDR troops are very humane, you have to know that. They did not torture the captured IA troops and they do not kill civilians. But, of course, when it is war, they become devils. They just do not care about your Sikh and Gorkha troops.