Here is thread with more
*** video of gujrat genocide by indian hindus
*** documented proof how hindu extremism accepted in mainstream indian society
*** how hindu fundamentalists solicit funds from US and Europe under disgise of social cause.
Hindu Radicals Pose Terrorist Challenge to the Sub-Continent
What some call ****** NGOs and doubt their numbers, even those numbers can not be proven. the central and state govts have come out with lists of 600 + muslim and 300 + hindus (excluding godhra) and declared compensation packages based on these lists, people / NGOs are free to come out and make additional claims - the numbers are transparent.
And the claim about this being planned for months is not proven.
And abt modi, i'll never vote for him, but there's no proof against him that can be proven in court of law. i'v read his side of story on how he tried to control violence, how he called violence 'a shame for gujarat' on the very first day and the nanavati (a parsi if it has any meaning) commission report. i do not know under what law he can be 'hanged'.
yes as ruler he was responsible for failing, and should have stepped down, its was big incident, changed gujarat forever.
On the bright side, there are already more court convictions than there were for any other riot. a positive change. not adequate, but right direction.
Last edited by fateh71; 04-29-2009 at 10:09 AM.
Indians here already showed their real color by spewing hatred toward Muslims and Islam already. One should wonder are these indians any less guilty of implictly supporting genocidal act of hindus????
I'm trying to see the truth behind the rhetoric. its important to see it, otherwise you said a genocide, the govt says 1000 ppl died, NGOs say 2000, some others 5000, Zaid Hamid 10000 and the mumbai terrorist who called a TV channel from the mumbai hotel said 30000 muslims were burned alive in Gujrat.
now if he had known the reality, then he may not have gone on the killing spree that he went on in mumbai, so its important. just the way its important to know, doubtless you agree, the truth behind the 1971 genocide, the holocaust etc.
I'm not defending the riot or even modi, i'm telling you the reality behind why he can't be tried. i don't have to prove to you what i feel about all kinds of violence against civilians, partly because we are not on the same page on this.
riot is accepted as Gospel of Truth,but when indian NGOs say some 2000 odd ppl died in the riot, its thought to be a gross underestimation of real Nos because those Nos dont suit u ...or miss a real hard impact to portray india as hindu fundamentalist state.
Last edited by Khajur; 04-29-2009 at 08:56 PM.
Gujrat Massacre was a shame for us and we acknowledge it. Modi R$ped democracy.
Many of us have tried to make you understand that Modi being a CM of the state, twisted the machinery. We have not lost hope, and trying to bring him to justice...One Day.
Seven years after Gujarat riots, SC orders probe into Modi's role- Hindustan Times
Lastly, don't compare Gujrat Riots to Mumbai carnage, where terrorist from Pakistan attacked mumbai. Before Gujrat, we have had riots in many a cities, just as you have your own share of suni-shiya attacks.
Nemesis catches up with Modi
THERE is a saying that justice may be delayed but is not out of reach. The wheel of fortune has turned slowly to expose Narendra Modi, chief minister of Gujarat, the state where some 4,000 Muslims were killed seven years ago.
It has been an open secret that he and his Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) members were involved in the pogrom, with the connivance of the state machinery, including the police.
Modi would say in defence: where is the proof? He would also say that what happened in Gujarat was in retaliation to the burning of pilgrims in a train at Godhra, near Ahmedabad. There are too many versions of this to solely hold the Muslims responsible. The dust was somewhat cleared by the Supreme Court of India when it appointed the Special Investigating Team (SIT) to probe the matter last year.
The complaint against Modi was that he and his cabinet colleagues orchestrated the post-Godhra communal riots in 2002 in connivance with police officials and senior bureaucrats. The complaint filed by advocate Sanjay Parikh on behalf of Jakia Nasim Ahesan Hussain Jafri, the widow of an ex-Congress MP who was killed by a mob allegedly at the instigation of Modi, the 'architect of a criminal conspiracy to subvert constitutional governance and the rule of law'.
SIT, a sort of tribunal, is presided over by a retired CBI director, R.K. Raghavan, who is widely respected. His probe, it is conceded, will be fair, just and independent. The BJP is uncomfortable. The Congress is overjoyed for apparent reasons. And the people feel jubilant that the perpetrators of Gujarat may be brought to book.
The state, much less Modi, expected such a turn of events in the investigation. A human rights activist, Teesta Setalvad, who has doggedly pursued the culprits in the Gujarat killings, had submitted a petition on behalf of Ms Jafri. The petition was filed as an FIR with the police in Ahmedabad to contend that the killings were pre-planned and that the authorities did little to protect the victims.
The police refused to register the FIR. She went to the court which took little notice of the lapse in legality. The matter came to the Supreme Court where the lawyer appearing on behalf of the state of Gujarat said that all the information, whether registered or not, could be sent to the SIT. It was bravado. But it has served the purpose of justice. The whole matter, including unregistered FIRs, is before the Raghavan tribunal. Modi is now in the dock. He would have to disprove his involvement before the SIT. Many skeletons are bound to come out of the closet. Since then many retired police officials have admitted the involvement of the government.
The immediate reaction of Modi has been that of silence. The BJPís former foreign minister, Yashwant Sinha, in a TV interview, did not react to the Supreme Courtís order but praised Modi for his developmental work in the state. One cannot expect anything else. The partyís youthful brigade is at a loss to make comments because it has been vying with one another in its projection of Modi as the BJPís prime ministerial candidate after L.K. Advani. They are all well-read, sensible persons. But their blind faith in Modi makes one wonder.
How can they or, for that matter, any sensible person think of putting Modi in any responsible position when there are charges of his involvement in the killing and the looting of Muslims in Gujarat? Whatever the BJP thinking, India is a pluralistic country, however, wanting in many ways. The party does not appreciate the secular temperament of the people.
But when the upper-middle class or the corporate leaders ó there was a meeting of top industrialists in Ahmedabad to back Modi ó throw to the wind the basic values of pluralism on which Indiaís democratic structure stands, they prefer pelf to principle. Sitting in their air-conditioned offices, they do not know how the mind of the nation ticks. Modi may be an efficient administrator but he has also the blood of at least 4,000 Muslims on his hands. To the unthinking corporate leaders, I can say only one thing: forgive them Lord for they know not what they are doing.
I was a Rajya Sabha member when the Gujarat carnage took place in 2002. It was devastating news. Nobody could find any reason to explain Modiís role. The BJP criticised him in private, but dared not say anything in public lest the party should take disciplinary action. Before Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee visited Ahmedabad for the first time after the carnage, I told him that he should have dismissed Modi straightaway.
After not having done so, I said, Vajpayee should take Modi to task before the public whenever he visited the refugee camps and felt relieved when he did so. He lost his temper in many places and admonished Modi.
But the youthful brigade of the BJP which travelled with him from Ahmedabad to Goa brainwashed him so much that Vajpayee attacked Islam at the meeting he addressed. He hardly talked about the pitiable conditions in the camps he had seen or the tales of murder and rape he had heard. His entire speech was to run down Islam. It seemed that the party had taken over the prime minister, whatever his feelings or impressions.
Till today, the BJP has not apologised for the killings in Gujarat. The Congress has behaved better. It has not only apologised for the killing of 3,000 Sikhs in Delhi in broad daylight in 1984, but has also denied party tickets in the Lok Sabha elections to both Jagdish Tytler and Sajjan Kumar, reportedly involved in the riots which took place at that time. The party has given rehabilitation grants to the uprooted and to the victims of 1984. The Modi government has not given even a single rupee to any Muslim for rehabilitation.
Whether the probe against Modi will affect polling in the current election is the question being asked increasingly. There is no doubt that the Supreme Courtís order will dent the BJPís standing. However, it is difficult to assess the loss in terms of votes. Yet the damage to the partyís image will be immense. Other political parties have gone to town to attack the party. The tragedy is that neither Modi nor the BJP is willing to make amends. They should realise that Gujarat, like the demolition of the Babri mosque, is a millstone around their neck. They have to carry it for years to come.
very very disturbing.
Indians purposefully ignore the atrocities in their country and blame Us, the Pakistani's for everything. Their so entangled in cross border terrorism that they forget whats happening in their own country.
we all know how India loves the 'blame game' even if an indian poops in his pants, they blame it on us!!
gujrat riots are shame on the face of india and humanity. people who killed others cannot be seen as hindus or muslims but humans blinded by hate and greed.if its systems fault ,its our fault.those people who didn't defend their neighbors from attackers were guilty as same as attackers.
i couldn't do something about it.
but today i take a vow,
i will not let happen killing, rape or looting in front of my eyes as least that i can promise you guys.
well it was a shameful event...people acted out of fury and primal instincts...they should have been more mature...but people have learnt alot from the godhra incident...there have been bomb blasts in mosques and temples in the recent past...and not one person has been killed in rioting or in seeking vengeance.
such events have occurred many times...the Direct Action Day i remember was one such day...when rioters were given a free hand by the bovernor and the state ministers of Bengal...
we have to live trough these days...for a better future..
It is shameful and disgusting... :( This feeling of pain and helplessness is awful.
I have almost become atheist after this incident. I refuse to worship a God that does not protect the innocent.
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