Why is China so timid on border issue with India?

[yohoexpo]

Originally Posted by bigmoneymaker

good saying, but at that time will need more than millions...

It's merely a joke,i just want express how timid and slow-reacted Chinese gov 's in terms of border issue,many officials in China are intoxicated with corruptions,pretty gals,leisures,etc...

[grey boy 2]

Originally Posted by yohoexpo

This thread is related with China issue,it's understandable to type some Chinese here,in order to well-communicate with Chinese fellows,i'm sure this forum is democratic and diverse.

Brother, ignore that Indian troll, he will die out soon.

[WarProfessor]

Originally Posted by yohoexpo

This thread is related with China issue,it's understandable to type some Chinese here,in order to well-communicate with Chinese fellows,i'm sure this forum is democratic and diverse.

It's not polite to the host, man. It's a Pak defence forum, and they can't read Chinese. At least use some software to make a half-***ed translation.

[trickey]

Originally Posted by gpit

I’d say to the contrary. Democratic India is good news for China. Please read <The fall of Towang> written by Indian Major General Niranjan Prasad to see how Indian democratic government operates during war time. Common people love big mouth. But action needs pains to be taken, which is not a natural tendency for common people.



China is not yet in a place to fight for ZN with India. The cost/profit ratio is way too high now.

If China wants to use force, I have no doubt it can take ZN over. Nonetheless, the maintenance cost will be probably very high. And always bear in mind that Taiwan is the core interest of China, not ZN.

But, for now, suppose China wants to take action. (Yeah, please allow me to be a typical internet Indian for a moment.)

Before action, China needs to:

1) Set up strategic goals. China is not going to take all ZN, but only part of it. It should aim at regional tranquility and prosperity. India’s policies toward the people of ZN prove discriminative against and disappointing to the local people. How could China do differently? China needs a huge amount of Monpa cadres.

2) create an amicable international ambience. If the action (not a mere lesson this time) starts now, Russia will mostly keep neutral; Anti-China force (the dragon slayers) in USA will be in such an ecstasy. It may provide weapons to India; Europe will most likely on India’s side and also make money out from it through selling weapons. Most other countries will probably keep neutral, including Japan, S. Korea, perhaps Australia.

3) establish sound infrastructure (roads, railways, etc) that provides easy access to ZN, Nepal, Sikkim, Bhutan. This can also lower the cost of maintenance. Currently, a road leading directly to ZN is only under construction Highway construction to complete in three years for China's last roadless county in Tibet_English_Xinhua.

During the action, China must:
4) coordinate with China’s friends in SA, mainly Pakistan, secondarily Nepal/Sri Lanka/BD, etc. to act simultaneously on their own interest (there are plenty of those, thanks to India imperialistic foreign policies over the past several decades.)

5) communicate with Maoists in SA, especially in India NE area. Provide free Mao’s red book in their native languages, as well as weapons, ammunitions and food. Provide military advisors. Call on them for class struggle for their human rights (rights to survival). A call for independent Assam, Nagaland, Manipur is definitely very appealing for those who have long been abandoned, marginalized and oppressed by Indian mainstream for decades.

6) PLA must present high pressure from Aksai Chin. Precision weapons may pick out a few importance military establishments in New Delhi or elsewhere. Given the type of country as India, the psychological impact will be huge, perhaps devastating. It will be the second of such as in 1962 when PLA destroyed India’s NE defence and sent a shock wave across India, from NE to New Delhi.

7) With right calculation, special troops supported with advanced weaponries may penetrate Nathula pass (Sikkim) and Chumbi Valley (Bhutan), and lock the “chicken neck” with help/acquiesces from Bangladesh/Nepal.
The neck is only about 15 miles across! It can effectively separate NE and the rest of Bharat. Once the neck is locked, it will send second shocking wave across SA continent, and Indian armies in NE may well surrender. General Liang Guanglie boasted earlier that PLA possesses “cross boarder combat” capability. He may want to demonstrate that.

8) Meanwhile, PLA should help Sikkim separatists establish an independent Republic of Sikkim with constitutional monarchy or Western democracy (as long as they are happy).

9) Eastern part of Indian NE has ethnical relation with those in Burma, and people in Kachin State of Burma are actually a big minority in China. China’s business operation is very active in Kachin. It is not unreasonable that interesting stuff should happen from there.

10) crank up String of Perl from Burma to Africa…

Do these more or less match Sino’s secretes?

And the international community would be able to stop India from responding, no doubt? Is China taking strategy lessons from Pakistan?

[praveen]

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Arunachal turnout positive: US envoy
- Roemer takes a rickshaw to church
A STAFF REPORTER


Calcutta, Oct. 14: US ambassador to India Timothy J. Roemer today said the highest ever turnout in the Arunachal Pradesh Assembly elections was a “positive” sign.

“It is very positive to see people turning out in thousands at polling places yesterday. We will respect the outcome of the election,” said Roemer, in Calcutta on a two-day trip.

His comments will surely please North Block in the wake of the diplomatic tussle with China over its claim to the Indian state. However, the US diplomat made it clear that the India-China dispute was a bilateral issue. “The US is confident that they will peacefully resolve this,” Roemer said.

He was much more forthcoming on the shared concern over terrorism and said the US was working with India in “unprecedented” ways by sharing information and intelligence on potential threats and suspects. “It is very important that Pakistan prosecutes successfully the seven suspects of the Mumbai terror attacks… takes the facts and evidences about Hafiz Saeed and prosecutes him,” Roemer said.

The US-India relationship, he added, is based on a shared strategic interest and “agreement about the threat of extreme radicalism that can come from places like Pakistan”.

The diplomat who had begun his visit to the city with a trip to the Tagores’ Jorasanko home went to Mother House today. After the morning mass, he went to Shishu Bhavan where he distributed khichdi and boiled eggs to the destitutes.

“I am inspired by your devotion and hard work. You can feel mother Teresa’s spirit here,” he told the nuns of the Missionaries of Charity at Mother House.

President Barack Obama had requested him to meet “as many of the billion people” as he could during his stint in India and Roemer appeared to be doing his best.

He went to hand out English language proficiency certificates at an institution for the underprivileged — Great Hall WSA English Medium School — in Kidderpore and stopped a motorcyclist on the way to ask “what do you think about your country?”

“My country is the best,” the man behind the helmet said on Dr Sudhir Bose Road.

On a rickshaw with US consul-general in Calcutta, Beth Payne, Roemer went to see St Barnaba’s Church. He could not because the church keys were with the priest. “He visited our quarters instead,” said caretaker Robert D’Cruz.

On his way to catch a plane out of Calcutta, Roemer said: “I leave this evening wanting more.”


The Telegraph - Calcutta (Kolkata) | Bengal | Arunachal turnout positive: US envoy

[feifanke]

呵呵，居然以TG没有控制藏南来指责毛泽东了，JY们智商又下降啦。
说实在的，如果拉高袁世凯来否定毛，我倒还真高看JY们一眼，现在居然用童萌会的一代目萝莉杀手、二代目嫖 鸡大将军来压毛，真是NC无下限啊。
KMT一代目终其一生，除了在萝莉控方面屡建奇勋（日了11岁的日本小姑娘），其他一事无成；
KMT二代目倒是将中国变成大一号的菲律宾。
JY们对这些FC呵护有加，对办事实的指手画脚。GCD内战外战，功绩显赫。在国力明显不足的情况下，毅然 出兵朝鲜，和美国人在半岛上化了一个圈。现在一群BC指责GCD贸然出兵，损失惨重，真是混话，建国初，中 国近乎所有重工业都在东北，难道要置于敌人火力范围内？并且通过与苏联讨价还价，取得完整的工业体系，而又 获得朝鲜半岛缓冲区，两利并收。至于中国不与美国开战就能收回台湾，纯粹做梦。美国6月进驻的台湾，中国1 0月进驻的朝鲜。

关于西南，中国占据阿克塞琴，补给相对通畅，且可以直接标准新德里，而藏南，时直今日，中国还不能做到垂直 补给，请问这里的JY们愿意做牲口运粮食么，或者你们去藏南去守卫？藏南不是武力问题，是补给 问题。
做的人拼死拼活，FC们指指点点，真是无聊

[Nemesis]

So why somebody boasts 70%?

Turnout in a typical north American mature democracy is around 20-60%.

Who cares about what happens in "mature" democracies in North America? In India the average voter turnout is about 55%-60%. The reason for a higher turnout in AP is a direct result of China's aggressive posturing in recent months. The people of AP wanted to silence the noises being made by our northern neighbor.

Let's not forget the fact after the illegal annexation of South Tibet,

No, the only illegal annexation of Tibet was by China.

Bharat performed decades of ETHNIC CLEANSING and FLOODED it with MILLIONS!!! of Indians.

Millions eh?

The population of Arunachal is 1,091,117 according to 2001 census and is scattered over 12 towns and 3649 villages. The State has the lowest density of 13 persons per sq. km. As against decadal growth rate of 21.34% at the national level, the population of the State has grown by 26.21% over the period 1991-2001.

People and Culture of Arunachal Pradesh

There are now more Indians than Chinese there, in fact, MOST of the population are Indian -- so it shouldn't surprise anyone there is a 70% voter turnout when >75% are Indian!!!!

Is this information based on you're secret dealings with the Governments of Asia? Some recce work done by Chinese intelligence, given to you to post on a forum eh?

Move on troll and leave this discussion to intelligent posters.

[IBRIS]

Originally Posted by feifanke

呵呵，居然以TG没有控制藏南来指责毛泽东了，JY们智商又下降啦。
说实在的，如果拉高袁世凯来否定毛，我倒还真高看JY们一眼，现在居然用童萌会的一代目萝莉杀手、二代目嫖 鸡大将军来压毛，真是NC无下限啊。
KMT一代目终其一生，除了在萝莉控方面屡建奇勋（日了11岁的日本小姑娘），其他一事无成；
KMT二代目倒是将中国变成大一号的菲律宾。
JY们对这些FC呵护有加，对办事实的指手画脚。GCD内战外战，功绩显赫。在国力明显不足的情况下，毅然 出兵朝鲜，和美国人在半岛上化了一个圈。现在一群BC指责GCD贸然出兵，损失惨重，真是混话，建国初，中 国近乎所有重工业都在东北，难道要置于敌人火力范围内？并且通过与苏联讨价还价，取得完整的工业体系，而又 获得朝鲜半岛缓冲区，两利并收。至于中国不与美国开战就能收回台湾，纯粹做梦。美国6月进驻的台湾，中国1 0月进驻的朝鲜。
关于西南，中国占据阿克塞琴，补给相对通畅，且可以直接标准新德里，而藏南，时直今日，中国还不能做到垂直 补给，请问这里的JY们愿意做牲口运粮食么，或者你们去藏南去守卫？藏南不是武力问题，是补给 问题。
做的人拼死拼活，FC们指指点点，真是无聊

For the sake of us uneducated people here, please speak spanish.

[gogbot]

CCP and GoI are big boys. They know how to manage this issue.

Do we really need to add our nonsensical, dribble to this issue. as if it would change absolutely anything.
we cant even change each others point of view.
Chinese have their P.O.I
and
Indians Have the facts

See what i mean.

Frankly speaking
lets just go back to
Chinese bagging the Tejas HF(LCA) and bragging about the J-10
and
Indians Bagging the J-10, and bragging about the MKI

[WarProfessor]

Originally Posted by IBRIS

For the sake of us uneducated people here, please speak spanish.

Well, The English version is pretty much the poster believes:"It's not the fact that CCP refuses to resort to a military solution to AP. It's logistic issues. He posted in response to some contemporary Chinese civilian sentiment which regards CCP as too soft to defend the country."

Hope the English version helps. But I have a feeling you might not like it.

[cat]

china and india all need a enemy, this is politician's trick.

[cat]

Originally Posted by cat

china and india all need a enemy, this is politician's trick.

so, please donnot angry my indian friends, in fact, i love you

[bigmoneymaker]

Originally Posted by IBRIS

For the sake of us uneducated people here, please speak spanish.

he is scolding his some fellow chinese for their stupidity of pro western trend and talking about moving the whole society participating the war, for the sake of your indians peaceful minds and psychological healths you had better to be pretend it doent exist... indeed what he is talking about is interesting.....

[arihant]

Obviously its political trick.

If India wants, the problem can be solved.

They can agree to give up claim of Aksai chin in lieu of Arunachal Pradesh.

Similar is for Chinese govt.

But happening this means loosing govt. at least in India. (Considering China has one party policy)

Similar is with Pakistan issue. Both govt will loose if they tried anything like this.

[xukxuk]

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