China way ahead on border infrastructure

[gpit]

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China way ahead on border infrastructure-India-The Times of India

NEW DELHI: First, India woke up to China's massive buildup of military infrastructure all along the Line of Actual Control (LAC) rather late in the
day. And now, it's floundering to execute its own relatively modest plans to strategically counter the Chinese moves.

It was in early-2006 that the UPA government was jolted out of its slumber to give the go-ahead for the creation of infrastructure in all the three sectors — western (Ladakh), middle (Uttarakhand, Himachal) and eastern (Sikkim, Arunachal) — along the unresolved 4,056-km LAC with China.

But progress of the road construction and telecommunication links has been tardy, to say the least, since then. Only nine of the 73 roads earmarked for construction along the Sino-Indian border have been built till now, top-level sources said.

Of the 73 all-weather roads, 27 fall in Arunachal Pradesh, 19 in Uttarakhand, 14 in Jammu & Kashmir, seven in Himachal Pradesh and six in Sikkim. While 27 of these roads are being constructed under the aegis of the home ministry, 15 are with Border Roads Organisation (BRO). The remaining 12 are to be constructed by CPWD or state PWDs.

"The plan is to construct the 73 roads in a time-bound manner by 2012 to counter the rapid pace of military development in the Tibetan Autonomous Region (TAR). But there are huge delays due to pending mandatory clearances from the ministry of environment and forests as well as inadequate funding," said a source. While acknowledging environmental and geological concerns are important, the defence establishment holds national security concerns are equally, if not more, critical. "Suitable interventions and faster decision-making is required," added the source.

BRO, in particular, has been directed to complete construction of the roads stretching from Ladakh to Diphu La in Arunachal, amounting to 608-km at a cost of Rs 992 crore, by 2010 or so.

The infrastructure development is important to bolster India's troop mobility and logistics supply in the forward areas, especially since some existing roads simply stop dead 60 to 80 km from LAC.

"While Chinese soldiers can drive right till the border in their vehicles due to their superb roads, our soldiers have to sometimes trek 10-15 km to reach their border posts," said a senior official.

The plan to build roads close to LAC, with more east-west lateral links, of course, represents the junking of long-standing Indian fears that such infrastructure would help the 2.5-million People's Liberation Army make swift inroads into India in the event of a conflict.

China, on its part, has built so many air, road and rail links along the LAC, especially in TAR, that it can amass a huge number of troops on the border for offensive operations in double-quick time compared to what was possible less than a decade ago.

China now has a 40,000-km road network in Tibet, apart from rail links like the 1,118-km one from Lhasa to Gormo in Qinghai province of mainland China.

As a counter-measure, India is also progressively reactivating old ALGs (advanced landing grounds) like the Daulat Beg Oldi, Fukche, Chushul and Nyama airstrips in Ladakh. Similarly, apart from building new helipads and upgrading airbases, IAF is also going to soon start basing its Sukhoi-30MKI fighters in the eastern sector for the first time.

[gpit]

The plan to build roads close to LAC, with more east-west lateral links, of course, represents the junking of long-standing Indian fears that such infrastructure would help the 2.5-million People's Liberation Army make swift inroads into India in the event of a conflict.

This is a legitimate worry. Have they solved it now? Why don't the Chinese fear?

[Omar1984]

This is a legitimate worry. Have they solved it now? Why don't the Chinese fear?

The Chinese are very strong, they dont have anything to fear.

[Amanpuneet Singh]

China is bigger ,better and more motivated we are trying to upgrade our system but since we choose so many jackass to rule us it takes time for things to happen as the swiss accounts of our leader get larger the pour soul like us suffer,don't think china is attacking us soon but its better to be prepared than getting caught with pants down as it happened in 1962where they just rooted us ruthlessly.

[Aeneas]

at least,the road made for military affairs can also be used for people who live there for economy objective.not bad.

[gpit]

... but its better to be prepared than getting caught with pants down as it happened in 1962where they just rooted us ruthlessly.

I'd say otherwise: It is you (Nehru) who were forwarding towards China with your pants still down, or more appropriately, pant-lessly.

[Amanpuneet Singh]

I'd say otherwise: It is you (Nehru) who were forwarding towards China with your pants still down, or more appropriately, pant-lessly.

NO clashes took place coz china wanted redraw the international boundary to its old testament not to the British India which we call McMahon Line which was signed between British and Tibet in 1914 which china communicated to Nehru but that congress'y asshole and his military adviser were too bissy in hindi-chini bai bai solgan that they failed to understand the gravity of situation and china displeasure which resulted in neglect of armed force and hence the result we were beaten all ends up.

[SherdiL!]

the roads are bassically build for Pakistan army to enter India

[shchinese]

NO clashes took place coz china wanted redraw the international boundary to its old testament not to the British India which we call McMahon Line which was signed between British and Tibet in 1914 which china communicated to Nehru but that congress'y asshole and his military adviser were too bissy in hindi-chini bai bai solgan that they failed to understand the gravity of situation and china displeasure which resulted in neglect of armed force and hence the result we were beaten all ends up.

hey, that is not about the McMahon Line, it is about your forwarding policy in which you tried to even go north of that line. That is - you claim the border to be the McMahon Line which we don't agree, then you cross that line and invaded my country.

1950 Indian Official map
1954 Indian official map

the regime of India thought they were strong enough to take lands away from China, they changed the border on their official map, deployed troops on Chinese lands, and they got rooted in a hard way.

for the McMahon Line, do you watch news or maybe such news is just illegal in India? that was a treaty now the British has officially apologized at the end of 2008. Read the following NYtimes article, the UK apologized on its anachronism and a colonial legacy which does include the Simla convention of 1914 which defined that "border line".

Mr. Miliband described the British position as an anachronism and a colonial legacy. It certainly emerged out of a shabby episode in colonial history, Francis Younghusband’s cavalier invasion of Tibet in 1903. But the British description of Tibet’s status in the era before the modern nation-state was more finely tuned than the versions claimed by Beijing or many exiles, and it was close to the findings of most historians.

Britain’s change of heart risks tearing up a historical record that frames the international order and could provide the basis for resolving China’s dispute with Tibet. The British government may have thought the issue of no significance to Britain’s current national interests and so did not submit it to public debate. But the decision has wider implications. India’s claim to a part of its northeast territories, for example, is largely based on the same agreements — notes exchanged during the Simla convention of 1914, which set the boundary between India and Tibet — that the British appear to have just discarded. That may seem minor to London, but it was over those same documents that a major war between India and China was fought in 1962, as well as a smaller conflict in 1987.

New York Times Article.

maybe your regime just refuse to report such recent news to your people to gain control and maintain the nationalism?

McMahon Line? We can send troops in, capture New Delhi and redefine the border of Sino-India. We can do that in days when necessary just like what did in 1962.

[shchinese]

we can actually do it in an easy way - for the 1962 war, India troops crossed the McMahon Line, that is called invasion as no matter which border line applies, when you cross the McMahon Line, those troops are in Chinese lands and the only consequence for them is to die.

[rajk20002002]

hey, that is not about the McMahon Line, it is about your forwarding policy in which you tried to even go north of that line. That is - you claim the border to be the McMahon Line which we don't agree, then you cross that line and invaded my country.

1950 Indian Official map
1954 Indian official map

the regime of India thought they were strong enough to take lands away from China, they changed the border on their official map, deployed troops on Chinese lands, and they got rooted in a hard way.

for the McMahon Line, do you watch news or maybe such news is just illegal in India? that was a treaty now the British has officially apologized at the end of 2008. Read the following NYtimes article, the UK apologized on its anachronism and a colonial legacy which does include the Simla convention of 1914 which defined that "border line".



New York Times Article.

maybe your regime just refuse to report such recent news to your people to gain control and maintain the nationalism?

McMahon Line? We can send troops in, capture New Delhi and redefine the border of Sino-India. We can do that in days when necessary just like what did in 1962.

welcome back from vacation my friend at your propaganda desk. We were missing your juicy tales. Please you also come with troops. Red carpet welcome is awaiting you all.. how about your Tanks on the Jan- Path on Republic day on 26th January? I suppose one week should be more than enough for you to join parades in Delhi...

cheers

RK

[shchinese]

welcome back from vacation my friend at your propaganda desk. Please you also come with troops. Red carpet welcome is awaiting you all.. how about your Tanks on the Jan- Path on Republic day on 26th January? I suppose one week should be more than enough for you to join parades in Delhi...

cheers

RK

when I watch your "Republic day parades", it is like . let me tell you something mate - this year we are going to hold the national day parades in Beijing on 1st Oct., as of today it has been in general agreed by numerous sources that at least the following new Chinese designed/built weapons will be shown to public in production volume for the first time:

Type-99A2 MBT, 54tons, 80 km/h, fitted with 140mm Chinese gun.
DF-41 missiles, 14000km range, can hit your capital from the most rural part of our land.
KJ-2000 airborne warning.
J-11B fighter
PLZ05

for our troops, you need to have a heart check to make sure you don't get heart attack when watching:



btw, the above is the video of the 1999 parade, I would call 1999 very different from 2009 as our GDP is about 2.5 times of the 1999 level now.

[rajk20002002]

when I watch your "Republic day parades", it is like . let me tell you something mate - this year we are going to hold the national day parades in Beijing on 1st Oct., as of today it has been in general agreed by numerous sources that at least the following new Chinese designed/built weapons will be shown to public in production volume for the first time:

Type-99A2 MBT, 54tons, 80 km/h, fitted with 140mm Chinese gun.
DF-41 missiles, 14000km range, can hit your capital from the most rural part of our land.
KJ-2000 airborne warning.
J-11B fighter
PLZ05

for our troops, you need to have a heart check to make sure you don't get heart attack when watching:



btw, the above is the video of the 1999 parade, I would call 1999 very different from 2009 as our GDP is about 2.5 times of the 1999 level now.

Hey are you sure if its real? Or something created through cinematic effects by Chinese ministry of Propaganda?

RK

[Fennecus]

No need to be disrespectful towards each other.

[zombie]

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we can actually do it in an easy way - for the 1962 war, India troops crossed the McMahon Line, that is called invasion as no matter which border line applies, when you cross the McMahon Line, those troops are in Chinese lands and the only consequence for them is to die.

correction Tibetan lands. Considering that Chinese didnt have a problem doing a genocide on the Tibetians, it wouldnt be a problem to kill a few Indians. Anyways more than a few Chinese met confucious in heaven in that war.

Atleast palestinians have the option to live seperately. Tibetans state is far worse than palestinians.