Chinese Foreign Affairs News & Discussions

[Max The Boss]

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Future China India Relations

Geographical overview -
China and India are separated by the formidable geographical obstacles of the Tibetan Plateau and the Himalayan mountain chain, with Tibet serving as a buffer region between the two. China and India today share a border along the Himalayas and Nepal and Bhutan, two states lying along the Himalaya range, and acting as buffer states. In addition, Indian Kashmir province borders both the India and China.

Two territories are currently disputed between the China and India: Aksai Chin and Arunachal Pradesh. Arunachal Pradesh is located near the far east of India, while Aksai Chin is located near the northwest corner of India. However, all sides in the dispute have agreed to respect the Line of Actual Control and this border dispute is not widely seen as a major flashpoint.

From 2000 –

With Indian President K. R. Narayanan's visit to China, 2000 marked a gradual re-engagement of Indian and Chinese diplomacy.
In 2002, Chinese Premier Zhu Rongji reciprocated by visiting India, with a focus on economic issues.
In 2003 ushered in a marked improvement in Sino-Indian relations following Indian Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee's landmark June 2003 visit to China. China officially recognized Indian sovereignty over Sikkim as the two nations moved toward resolving their border disputes.
In 2004 also witnessed a gradual improvement in the international area when the two countries proposed opening up the Nathula and Jelepla Passes in Sikkim which would be mutually beneficial to both countries. 2004 was a milestone in China-India bilateral trade, surpassing the $10 billion mark for the first time.
In April 2005, Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao visited Bangalore to push for increased China-India cooperation in high-tech industries. In a speech, Wen stated "Cooperation is just like two pagodas (temples), one hardware and one software. Combined, we can take the leadership position in the world." Wen stated that the twenty-first century will be "the Asian century of the IT industry." The high-level visit was also expected to produce several agreements to deepen political, cultural and economic ties between the two nations. Regarding the issue of India gaining a permanent seat on the UN Security Council, on his visit, Wen Jiabao initially seemed to support the idea, but had returned to a neutral position on the subject by the time he returned to China.
In 2005 the South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation (SAARC) Summit China was granted an observer status. While other countries in the region are ready to consider China for permanent membership in the SAARC, India seems reluctant.
A very important dimension of the evolving China-India relationship is based on the energy requirements of their industrial expansion and their readiness to proactively secure them by investing in the oilfields abroad - in Africa, the Middle East and Central Asia. On the one hand, these ventures entail competition (which has been evident in oil biddings for various international projects recently). But on the other hand, a degree of cooperation too is visible, as they are increasingly confronting bigger players in the global oil market. This cooperation was sealed in Beijing on January 12, 2006 during the visit of Petroleum and Natural Gas Minister Mani Shankar Aiyar, who signed an agreement which envisages ONGC Videsh Ltd (OVL) and the China National Petroleum Corporation (CNPC) placing joint bids for promising projects elsewhere. This may have important consequences for their international relations.
On July 6, 2006, China and India re-opened Nathula, an ancient trade route which was part of the Silk Road. Nathula is a pass through the Himalayas.
Officials of both countries say that the re-opening of border trade will help ease the economic isolation of the region.
In May 2007, China denied the application for visa from an Indian Administrative Service officer in Arunachal Pradesh.
In December 2007, China appeared to have reversed its policy by granting a visa to Marpe Sora, an Arunachal born professor in computer science.
In January 2008, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh visited China and met with President Hu Jintao and Premier Wen Jiabao and had bilateral discussions related to trade, commerce, defense, military, and various other issues.
In July 2008, at the 34th G8 summit in Japan, Hu Jintao and Manmohan Singh had a friendly meeting.
In the wake of the 2008 Sichuan earthquake, India offered aid to help the earthquake victims.
In 2008 was a milestone in China India bilateral trade, surpassing the $37 billion.
China India bilateral trade expected to reach $60 billion in 2010.
In 2009 China Navy and India Navy joined in an Anti piracy navel mission in off Somalia waters.

[Max The Boss]

Comments welcome

[XiNiX]

Nice article , sums up many points.

[SoulOnIce]

A very important dimension of the evolving China-India relationship is based on the energy requirements of their industrial expansion and their readiness to proactively secure them by investing in the oilfields abroad - in Africa, the Middle East and Central Asia. On the one hand, these ventures entail competition (which has been evident in oil biddings for various international projects recently). But on the other hand, a degree of cooperation too is visible, as they are increasingly confronting bigger players in the global oil market. This cooperation was sealed in Beijing on January 12, 2006 during the visit of Petroleum and Natural Gas Minister Mani Shankar Aiyar, who signed an agreement which envisages ONGC Videsh Ltd (OVL) and the China National Petroleum Corporation (CNPC) placing joint bids for promising projects elsewhere. This may have important consequences for their international relations.

There goes the neighborhood

but it will make war in the region much less likely

Also if Chinese and Indian IT companies do launch joint ventures, mergers, subsidiaries or even FDI's that could actually change the global source of IT. It would be hard to compete, the product would be so inexpensive compared to its western rivals.

Pakistan in the meantime goes nowhere, doesn't it feel as if Pakistan's leaders have no game plan? No real feasible strategy? Pakistan effectively is more of an oligarchy than a democracy. Things need to change over here, we need a maverick leader to wake up the masses.

But if India is taking advantage of economic opportunities right across the border and thus are strengthened in that regard, should Pakistan look towards Iran?

[gpit]

On May 3, 1998, India Defence Minister George Fenandes has said China is India's "potential treat number one," and the country had often underplayed or even ignored the treat emanating from Beijing.

In an interview to a private TV channel, Mr. Fenandes said China was a bigger treat than Pakistan as Chinese military and naval activity had begun encircling India. The under-playing of the Chinese treat could "create a lot of problems for us in the near future." "I think there's a reluctance to face the reality that China's intentions need to be questioned," he said.

Mr. Fenandes, who spoke on "India's security perspective" at the V K Krishna Menon memorial lecture here on Sunday, said the situation was worsening as China had become the most important power after the US. He
criticized government planners for focussing only on the potential treat from Pakistan for the past 50 years. Quoting from the letters and speeches of Mr. Krishna Menon, former defence minister Y B Chavan and Mr. Ram Moha
Lohia, he said these leaders had expressed concerns about Beijing's growing ambitions ever since China annexed Tibet.

The leaders had also spoken out against the links between China and Pakistan. A Chinese surveillance base on Burma's Coco Islands, located about 40 km from Andaman and Nicobar Islands, was capable of monitoring all Indian missile and defence tests, he said. The Burmese Army has grown from strength 1.6 lakh to 4.5 lakhs with Chinese assistance and 11 airbases in Tibet had been upgraded over the past eight months to facilitate the operation of Sukhoi fighters which could strike targets deep within India, he said. China was holding 38,000 sq. km of Indian
Territory in the Ladakh area while 86,000 sq. km was held by Pakistan, Mr. Fenandes said. Providing evidence of the links between Beijing Islamabad, he said Pakistan had given 4,500 sq. km of Indian territory to China.

On Mar 31, 2008, Calling China “potential threat number one”, former defence minister George Fernandes has criticised the UPA government for being ``bullied’’ by China and said that this was evident from the way India’s ambassador Nirupama Rao was summoned at 2 am by the Chinese foreign ministry. Fernandes again raises China bogey - Politics/Nation-News-The Economic Times

On Mar 3, 2009, Dr. Sujit Dutta of Indian IDSA (Institute for Defense Studies and Analyses) questioned in Taiwan: “ Are your ready to unify with China?” Amb. Ranjit Gupta of India representative in Taiwan said: “ We don’t want to see Taiwan as a part of China.” ????????:??????????_????_??? .

[PeacefulIndian]

On May 3, 1998, India Defence Minister George Fenandes has said China is India's "potential treat number one," and the country had often underplayed or even ignored the treat emanating from Beijing.

In an interview to a private TV channel, Mr. Fenandes said China was a bigger treat than Pakistan as Chinese military and naval activity had begun encircling India. The under-playing of the Chinese treat could "create a lot of problems for us in the near future." "I think there's a reluctance to face the reality that China's intentions need to be questioned," he said.

Mr. Fenandes, who spoke on "India's security perspective" at the V K Krishna Menon memorial lecture here on Sunday, said the situation was worsening as China had become the most important power after the US. He
criticized government planners for focussing only on the potential treat from Pakistan for the past 50 years. Quoting from the letters and speeches of Mr. Krishna Menon, former defence minister Y B Chavan and Mr. Ram Moha
Lohia, he said these leaders had expressed concerns about Beijing's growing ambitions ever since China annexed Tibet.

The leaders had also spoken out against the links between China and Pakistan. A Chinese surveillance base on Burma's Coco Islands, located about 40 km from Andaman and Nicobar Islands, was capable of monitoring all Indian missile and defence tests, he said. The Burmese Army has grown from strength 1.6 lakh to 4.5 lakhs with Chinese assistance and 11 airbases in Tibet had been upgraded over the past eight months to facilitate the operation of Sukhoi fighters which could strike targets deep within India, he said. China was holding 38,000 sq. km of Indian
Territory in the Ladakh area while 86,000 sq. km was held by Pakistan, Mr. Fenandes said. Providing evidence of the links between Beijing Islamabad, he said Pakistan had given 4,500 sq. km of Indian territory to China.

On Mar 31, 2008, Calling China “potential threat number one”, former defence minister George Fernandes has criticised the UPA government for being ``bullied’’ by China and said that this was evident from the way India’s ambassador Nirupama Rao was summoned at 2 am by the Chinese foreign ministry. Fernandes again raises China bogey - Politics/Nation-News-The Economic Times

On Mar 3, 2009, Dr. Sujit Dutta of Indian IDSA (Institute for Defense Studies and Analyses) questioned in Taiwan: “ Are your ready to unify with China?” Amb. Ranjit Gupta of India representative in Taiwan said: “ We don’t want to see Taiwan as a part of China.” ????????:??????????_????_??? .

I am an advocate of India- China friendship. But I also feel that it is not possible in near future, unless China reviews its anti-India policy. China intends to be a regional super power by holding India down. The day Chinese politicians understand that both India & China can be superpowers, it will be a golden day.

[psugumar]

I am an advocate of India- China friendship. But I also feel that it is not possible in near future, unless China reviews its anti-India policy. China intends to be a regional super power by holding India down. The day Chinese politicians understand that both India & China can be superpowers, it will be a golden day.

I agree with gpit, Chinese threat is not only approved by last BJP government, present congress government also has agreed China as the biggest threat, Its better Indian Govt does not try anything to trust China and allow another 1961 , Losing / Winning going to be a second thing ,Atleast you should fight the war ,Better if India prepared always

[Squallmao]

I am an advocate of India- China friendship. But I also feel that it is not possible in near future, unless China reviews its anti-India policy. China intends to be a regional super power by holding India down. The day Chinese politicians understand that both India & China can be superpowers, it will be a golden day.

I wonder where did you get this "anti-India policy" if you can not read Chinese, from everyday India propaganda?

I watch/read news everyday in both Chinese and English, it's very very rare to find something about India. No offense to Indian people but in fact, no one in China treats India as a threat, nor at the same level that China at today, most people think India is not worth mentioning about (sorry but that's the truth). We do talk a lot about countries like US, japan and some European countries.


BTW, I occasionally read comments on some Indian forums. Sadly, a lot of people there think India is a much better country and China is going to collapse sooner or later. No body posts any good news about China, even if someone does, he/she will be bashed to hell eventually. I usually do not see those comments on Chinese forums.

[Omar1984]

I wonder where did you get this "anti-India policy" if you can not read Chinese, from everyday India propaganda?

I watch/read news everyday in both Chinese and English, it's very very rare to find something about India. No offense to Indian people but in fact, no one in China treats India as a threat, nor at the same level that China at today, most people think India is not worth mentioning about (sorry but that's the truth). We do talk a lot about countries like US, japan and some European countries.


BTW, I occasionally read comments on some Indian forums. Sadly, a lot of people there think India is a much better country and China is going to collapse sooner or later. No body posts any good news about China, even if someone does, he/she will be bashed to hell eventually. I usually do not see those comments on Chinese forums.

My friend, there's much more Indian members in this forum than Chinese members. (Indians really love to follow Pakistanis around everywhere, lucky us ).

I tried posting many achievemnts of China in this forum and so have other members. Look at the China economy thread in the Economy & Development section of this forum, and also look at this thread Pictures of China

Its true that India cant be compared to China, but a lot of Indians live in dream world.

I guess most Pakistani members are too worried about Pakistan situation, and most Indian members have obsession over China so they post negative stuff about China.

I will post more news about China's achievements

[psugumar]

I wonder where did you get this "anti-India policy" if you can not read Chinese, from everyday India propaganda?

I watch/read news everyday in both Chinese and English, it's very very rare to find something about India. No offense to Indian people but in fact, no one in China treats India as a threat, nor at the same level that China at today, most people think India is not worth mentioning about (sorry but that's the truth). We do talk a lot about countries like US, japan and some European countries.


BTW, I occasionally read comments on some Indian forums. Sadly, a lot of people there think India is a much better country and China is going to collapse sooner or later. No body posts any good news about China, even if someone does, he/she will be bashed to hell eventually. I usually do not see those comments on Chinese forums.

This is not media propaganda ,Even I have seen news where Chinese Officials claiming Arunachal Pradesh,Sikkim as Part of China.Nobody in India/China going to threat "We are going to engage in war" . Claiming Indian territory as part of China is called threat. Number border cease fire violation from China into India is more than that of India - Pakistan border . That why India considers China a threat.

I agree that India does not for a Invasion, You need only one reason for Invasion ,resource . We do not have much natural resource in our country except coal , Iron. But there there are other reasons for China like Tibet.

[Aeneas]

India’s China War by Neville Maxwell,plz read this book and find the truth of China-India border conflict.

[indiatech]

The future is not India OR China,

it is India AND China.

[Max The Boss]

I believe growing economic relations between
China and India will promote peace between
Both countries.
Even economic analysts believe
China India bilateral trade will reach $100 billion by 2015.
I hope China and India will promote economic relations & Peace
Because both countries will benefit from good relations.

[afriend]

I wonder where did you get this "anti-India policy" if you can not read Chinese, from everyday India propaganda?

I watch/read news everyday in both Chinese and English, it's very very rare to find something about India. No offense to Indian people but in fact, no one in China treats India as a threat, nor at the same level that China at today, most people think India is not worth mentioning about (sorry but that's the truth). We do talk a lot about countries like US, japan and some European countries.


BTW, I occasionally read comments on some Indian forums. Sadly, a lot of people there think India is a much better country and China is going to collapse sooner or later. No body posts any good news about China, even if someone does, he/she will be bashed to hell eventually. I usually do not see those comments on Chinese forums.

Exactly these sentiments where echoed by me in some earlier forums. We dont talk about china as much as we talk about Pakistan. But i can't comment on how other people react or think. But according to my perception most of the world and india consideres china to be way ahead in development as it is the fastest growing economy in the world right..!!!!! But we think chinese are kinda bullies too and feel can do anything to get what they want, they are threatning taiwan openly, they have marched into tibet and have been calling dalai lama a criminal whom the entire world respects.. have or had problems related to border more than any other country in the world.. like now in india they are now claiming Arunachal Pradesh....!!!! So obviously if defence minister fernandes said that china is a threat that is obviously because chinese are really unpredictable and might do anyting .. and wanted us to prepare ourselves for any eventuality..

[Proud2Indian]

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I wonder where did you get this "anti-India policy" if you can not read Chinese, from everyday India propaganda?

I watch/read news everyday in both Chinese and English, it's very very rare to find something about India. No offense to Indian people but in fact, no one in China treats India as a threat, nor at the same level that China at today, most people think India is not worth mentioning about (sorry but that's the truth). We do talk a lot about countries like US, japan and some European countries.


BTW, I occasionally read comments on some Indian forums. Sadly, a lot of people there think India is a much better country and China is going to collapse sooner or later. No body posts any good news about China, even if someone does, he/she will be bashed to hell eventually. I usually do not see those comments on Chinese forums.

China has military ties with Pakistan, BD, Myanmar and Nepal encircling India.
If China does not have problem with India militarily then they could have taken India in confidence. Its not mandatory for them but it shows ur policy.
They don't need to speak in so many words.....their action talks....

tx

PS: this in interesting that while we have free media and also complete freemdom in e-world, whatever we read is propaganda while in China where there is not free media and restriction on e-world they get all the unbiasd reports.....hmmmm...intresting