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    Quote Originally Posted by ChineseTiger1986 View Post
    The first pics were most likely leaked from these blogs(remember many people claimed these pics were PSed!!!), and some of these posters actually work in Chengdu Aviation, they have the first hand information more than anyone else. Otherwise, it is not worthy to bring up to this board.
    Hey!!! where are you up to.?
    When did I said they are fake news?

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    don't overestimate chinese. i think all the military fanboys are the same all over the world.
    No I always under estimated them

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1000VA View Post
    Hey!!! where are you up to.?
    When did I said they are fake news?


    No I always under estimated them
    Yeah, just like your idiotic comment regarding the first picture of J-20 should belong to the jokes thread eh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brotherhood View Post
    Yeah, just like your idiotic comment regarding the first picture of J-20 should belong to the jokes thread eh?
    forgive them bro their lag of understanding chinese culture make them promp to mistakes, unlike india chinese media do not brag boast lie or manufacture event to make china look good
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    Quote Originally Posted by below_freezing View Post
    I don't think it will have foreign tech. We've already proven that we can make every part of an aircraft independently. Perhaps individual components are worse, but they're improving, while the overall system is the important part.
    这是不可能的. 大陆的科技实力没有可能覆盖到所有部件.
    很多科技相关生产方面, 連台湾都不如
    而事实上台湾也在对大陆技术封锁.
    台湾科技產业是不可以在大陆建先进的高精度生产工厂的.
    大陆大部分都只是组装/封装厂...
    你什么时候见过, 处理器, 内存, 高精密芯片 是国产的?
    国内就連99%的山寨货, 打开里面, 芯片都是韩国/台湾/马来西亚等国家產的
    在中国也就封装和组装而已
    某些军工国企可能有点不对外的生产能力
    但不会高到哪去...
    (不然就不会有龙芯打磨Intel处理器, 那丢人的事了)
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    Default Re: Confirmed!!! The engine is WS-10G

    The engine doesn't have TVC for sure. That can be seen from the pics. The engines with TVC have their nozzles pointing downwards due to gravity when not active, but that doesn't happen with J-20. So there is no TVC there, at least for now.

    Also the TWR seems to be too high. So it can be assumed for now that the news is a fake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dccafe View Post
    这是不可能的. 大陆的科技实力没有可能覆盖到所有部件.
    很多科技相关生产方面, 連台湾都不如
    而事实上台湾也在对大陆技术封锁.
    台湾科技產业是不可以在大陆建先进的高精度生产工厂的.
    大陆大部分都只是组装/封装厂...
    你什么时候见过, 处理器, 内存, 高精密芯片 是国产的?
    国内就連99%的山寨货, 打开里面, 芯片都是韩国/台湾/马来西亚等国家產的
    在中国也就封装和组装而已
    某些军工国企可能有点不对外的生产能力
    但不会高到哪去...
    (不然就不会有龙芯打磨Intel处理器, 那丢人的事了)
    当然,台湾在一些方面很先进。但是我们也可以说台湾在很多方面连印度都不如:造船,重工,航空。从台湾的航 空和造船工业的“成就”来看,他们在重工业方面真的很难抬起头,而他们的局部“领先”也只不过是他们在米国 给他们的技术的基础上做了一些改进。你似乎把中国的民营经济和国营经济混淆了。中国现在是一个双层经济体, 高端的产业被国营企业和大型私企占据了(例如上海电气,中材,中化工,华为,长虹)而低端的加工产业被台湾 和香港的组装厂占据了。这并不矛盾,台企港企主要生产低端的消费产品,而国企和大型私企的主要市场是军队, 政府,外国政府和其他的大型企业。

    至于半导体制造方面,台湾无可否认是现在最牛逼的,但是你别说韩国,韩国在半导体方面真的不如 大陆了:Foundry model - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    2009年前17名半导体制造企业中,有4家是大陆的,而只有2家是韩国的。其中,中芯比两家韩国企业加起 来都大。在2008年,只有一家是韩国的,6家是大陆的。09年横空出世的三星其实是购买了另一家半导体企 业,要不然他不可能在一年内凭空建立一个半导体生产线。至于你说的马来西亚,没有一家马来西亚的半导体厂家 进入了前18。别说我们造不出比intel更高级的处理器,起码我们能设计龙芯,台湾的企业也只是代工别人 的芯片。

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    Default Re: Confirmed!!! The engine is WS-10G

    ws10G's tvc is locked,so it seems like a ordinary nozzle .

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    Quote Originally Posted by below_freezing View Post
    当然,台湾在一些方面很先进。但是我们也可以说台湾在很多方面连印度都不如:造船,重工,航空。从台湾的航 空和造船工业的“成就”来看,他们在重工业方面真的很难抬起头,而他们的局部“领先”也只不过是他们在米国 给他们的技术的基础上做了一些改进。你似乎把中国的民营经济和国营经济混淆了。中国现在是一个双层经济体, 高端的产业被国营企业和大型私企占据了(例如上海电气,中材,中化工,华为,长虹)而低端的加工产业被台湾 和香港的组装厂占据了。这并不矛盾,台企港企主要生产低端的消费产品,而国企和大型私企的主要市场是军队, 政府,外国政府和其他的大型企业。

    至于半导体制造方面,台湾无可否认是现在最牛逼的,但是你别说韩国,韩国在半导体方面真的不如 大陆了:Foundry model - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    2009年前17名半导体制造企业中,有4家是大陆的,而只有2家是韩国的。其中,中芯比两家韩国企业加起 来都大。在2008年,只有一家是韩国的,6家是大陆的。09年横空出世的三星其实是购买了另一家半导体企 业,要不然他不可能在一年内凭空建立一个半导体生产线。至于你说的马来西亚,没有一家马来西亚的半导体厂家 进入了前18。别说我们造不出比intel更高级的处理器,起码我们能设计龙芯,台湾的企业也只是代工别人 的芯片。
    对国企不了解...不过我还是看好民营企业
    一个国家什么都大包大揽是没前途的, 给人小家子气的感觉
    十足一農民创业, 什么都抓在手里才安心
    宁予"外人",不予家奴...
    不然民营商家会不做这些行业...?
    不是不想做, 是不能做

    民营的只会做得更好, 他们可是为錢的, 不是應付任务的
    要是民营能做, 这些国有企业, 就不用玩了

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    Default Re: Confirmed!!! The engine is WS-10G

    Would you Chinese mind posting in English... not the whole thing.. just if there is some news in your Mandarin posts.. so we all can understand..
    谢谢
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    Default Re: Confirmed!!! The engine is WS-10G

    Why suddenly this forum has gone Chinese ?

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    对国企不了解...不过我还是看好民营企业
    I don't know much on State-owned Corp, but I think private enterprises works better
    一个国家什么都大包大揽是没前途的, 给人小家子气的感觉
    A nation that trys to hold on to everything, looks such a petty
    十足一農民创业, 什么都抓在手里才安心
    Looks like a corp run by farmer, relieve only when they control everything
    宁予"外人",不予家奴...
    Rather giving away it to outsiders, than her own people
    不然民营商家会不做这些行业...?
    Why doesn't Chinese businessman go into the technology field?
    不是不想做, 是不能做
    Not that they don't want to, but simply ain't allow to.

    民营的只会做得更好, 他们可是为錢的, 不是應付任务的
    Private Corp would do much better, because they are not there just to finish off another mission, but for money.
    要是民营能做, 这些国有企业, 就不用玩了
    If private corp is allow, states-owned enterprises won't be able to compete.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChineseTiger1986 View Post
    The supercruise version of JF-17 with TVC would be cool.
    有点常识行不?小龙装的下那个不?你知道咬想装下就要改进气道,然后发现要改整体气动,然后再发现还不如造 一架新机。

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    Default Re: Confirmed!!! The engine is WS-10G

    Let us heed the Think Tank's advice, this is an English forum, let's post in English language so that everyone else can understand us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigTree.CN View Post
    Let us heed the Think Tank's advice, this is an English forum, let's post in English language so that everyone else can understand us.
    Yes, sir
    Already translated.
    Mission accomplished.

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    说实话, 很多人20首飞非常的惊讶,但是我是只能算喜悦吧。 其实吧,很多大佬的爆料是可信的,至少是可以参考的。
    其实想看爆料,cd的空版意义不大,那里很多大佬充斥着bkc原教旨主义。 在好几年前,所谓的很多hkc大佬们就爆过料了,新歼将在10~11年左右出来,15~16左右ws15可 以装机j20可以少批量的生产了。 还有其他很多的东西啦。人家甚至说过了在竞标大会上杨伟拍胸脯向领导保证10年出4代。 这些东西也不是没被转到过cd, 可惜被人转过去的目的是不纯的----是让cd的一些人嘲笑围观的。 其实吧,就是1,2个月前,这些话谁信?前段时间官方将军出来透露说新歼马上首飞,有人信吗?还不是给贵宾 和无知群众嘲笑?前段时间还有人说还没内部竞标呢,可笑不?可能是因为我选择相信上面的一些观点吧,所以那 些对我们航空工业质疑的,嘲笑的,谩骂的帖子/观点在我脑海里印象特别深,质疑就不说了,我记得当时有人对支持我国能在15年(没错,是15,可见是很保 守吧,可是在当时却算是很hkc了)前能飞4代的冷嘲热讽:“那好吧,那我们2025年再在这 帖子里见”。
    其实fr6,huzhigen,甚至陈太阳忠言(其早期的一些爆料,现在这人入魔障了)的很多消息都是可靠 的。

    说这么多,其实意思就是其实外界对tg的消息很有滞后性,了解也非常的少。常常以过去的眼光来看现在的tg , 所以才有这么大的惊讶。出国留过学/工作过的兄弟估计都会有这样的感觉:我们对西方的了解远超西方对我们的了解。甚至我自己有这么个感觉:在我 们抛却意识形态的而全面趋发展自己的今天,西方却还在意识形态的牢笼里。而他们说我们被洗脑,思想言论上我 们是被关在牢笼里的鸟,我却认为我们现在根本不是,这是他们的偏见太厉害了。反而我觉得西方的洗脑太厉害了 ,他们创造了一个巨大无比的,色彩鲜艳的雕刻着美丽图案的鸟笼把他们相当部分的人装在里面,却成功的让他们 相信了他们自己是在五彩缤纷的完美天空翱翔。

    前面有兄弟说谁知道他们谁是大佬谁是神棍,没错, 这就要靠你自己去判断了,网络时代你甚至不知道和你交流的是啊猫啊狗, 有自己的判断力就没错。甚至你对航空知识不大了解都没关系。兼听则明,偏听则暗。多扩宽自己的知识面并辅以 平和的心态就差不多了,对于不是很专业的问题比如只是判断有无/对错等定量性问题足够了。

    最后: 前面香港的朋友, 想奉劝你句不要用民用的东西/情况去硬套军用的。 你前面的言论观点,我只能说有对有错,虽然我们支持也必须支持言论自由,但是在不完全了解情况下我们是不是 应该少说话多调研, 你说呢。
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