Pakistan defiant on Iran gas pipeline

[VCheng]

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"let's see"


right?

You said it, not me!

[longbrained]

Let us reverse your proposition: Why should USA care?

No body asks for US care. In fact US better hurry up supplying India with 65 nuclear reactors they promised them with fuel. After all it was India that was US ally all during the cold war, right? Why should Pakistan receive a nuclear deal when Pakistan was the first that introduced nuclear weapons into subcontinent. But as I said we do not need US care. We just want US not to interfere with our national interests. Simple. But I guess that is too much for US not to get itself involved in internals of Pakistan.

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Unfortunately, it is also reality.

This is the type of answer I expect from you - with all due respect.

Well, with all due respect -- a line ought to be drawn then - isn't it?

Yes, but again unfortunately, NONE of Pakistanis so endowed or blessed are in leadership positions at the moment, and won't be for the foreseeable future.

Sorry. I lack the ability to predict the future, but I do have a knack for a good "foreboding" or two. I'll take the word of an industry expert in Pakistan over the word of people I dont personally know on this forum.

As for the first sentence - well who could argue with that?

Let us reverse your proposition: Why should USA care?

the U.S. is the one doing all the "caring" -- otherwise we wouldnt be hearing noise and barking over this deal.

I'm very frank with my American friends about this issue; in actuality, few of them even know about the deal's existence.


A "Ron Paul" approach (in other words -- non-interference and indifference) in this regard would be encourageable.



15 of the 19 hijackers on 9/11/2001 were Saudi Arabian nationals; and here I am being told that Iranians are a threat to world peace?


(sorry in advance to our Saudi posters - but this is a fact which can not be overlooked)

You said it, not me!

Yes. I did.

[The SC]

Shortly after the attacks and before the FBI had released the pictures of all the hijackers, several reports appeared claiming that some of the men named as hijackers on 9/11 were alive, and were feared to have been victims of identity theft.

Hijackers in the September 11 attacks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[lem34]

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So you think the Chinese don't care about their sovereignty when they pulled out of the IP project under threat of US sanctions? Do you think it's relinquishing sovereignty to make calculations based on every nation's best interest?

The Chinese didn't it was a Chinese bank. Our own Pakistani banks have taken a similar line because they are worried about American threats and actions against their other business in America etc. That just goes to show that you have a very superficial knowledge of this deal.

In any event it suits Chinese Pakistanis and Iranians for Russians to get more involved in Pakistani infra structure

quickly skimmed through the article......are the GCC countries (like KSA) not "playing games" when they go to other countries (developing countries especially) making the case that they should cut energy imports from Iran which would be made up by GCC exports at "concessionary" rates

is it not a game to tell America "dont worry; we'll set aside our qualms over pricing and will boost our production (at any level you demand) to cover/offset any decreasing aggregate supply in the world market subsequent to further sanctioning evil Iranians to the teeth"


for people of principle and people of their WORD and people who believe in righteoussness - MORAL always comes before MATERIAL.


it ought to.



Iran is a Muslim country, Iran is our neighbour. Iran poses no threat to our national security (despite some issues regarding some sectarian groups they may be supporting, like the Saudis/GCC countries).....Iran has never attacked Pakistan nor has it engaged in any activity that undermined our Federation.

Pakistan has a duty to abide by its international obligations and international law. We should make the case that while we agree to these terms and have always abided by them, COMMENTING; THREATENING or BRIBING/CAJOLING Pakistan to drop the project will not only be rejected - it will be counter-productive.

Do not approach Pakistan with ridiculous demands and don't tell us with whom we will pursue commercial ties and business ventures.


simply put --> Pakistan will go ahead with the project. You go have a intercourse with yourselves until you either run short of breath, or until all bodily fluids have been excreted.

Well put. Good answer to Parabians

[VCheng]

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Well, with all due respect -- a line ought to be drawn then - isn't it?..........

So who is going to draw this line for Pakistan? Please step up!

[lem34]

So who is going to draw this line for Pakistan? Please step up!

To those that understand the lines are drawn and are clear. To some they will learn and see them then there is a category that is blind that will never see them. Choose where you fit

[VCheng]

To those that understand the lines are drawn and are clear. To some they will learn and see them then there is a category that is blind that will never see them. Choose where you fit

Could you please explain exactly what lines have been drawn and how they will be enforced? I would like to see them.

[lem34]

Could you please explain exactly what lines have been drawn and how they will be enforced? I would like to see them.

No offence mate but do you really want me to spell it out. You may not like my answer

[VCheng]

No offence mate but do you really want me to spell it out. You may not like my answer

No, please do go ahead.

While you are at it, please feel free to reply to Post #49 too.

Thanks.

[lem34]

No, please do go ahead.

While you are at it, please feel free to reply to Post #49 too.

Thanks.

You do not see the lines imo because your intellectual prowess does not match your above average education. Simple as that. But if you stay on here for a couple of more years you may see the lines with the benefit of hind site.

[VCheng]

You do not see the lines imo because your intellectual prowess does not match your above average education. Simple as that. But if you stay on here for a couple of more years you may see the lines with the benefit of hind site.

But why resort to personal attacks rather than answering post #49, or even describing what lines do you think have been drawn, and how they will be enforced, like I asked?

PS: Do you mean "hindsight" or literally "hind site" which would be the rear end?

[lem34]

But why resort to personal attacks rather than answering post #49, or even describing what lines do you think have been drawn, and how they will be enforced, like I asked?

PS: Do you mean "hindsight" or literally "hind site" which would be the rear end?

Sorry mate. That was not a personal attack. I believe you to be an educated chap.

rear end or not you can blame the spell checker. Leave it Cheng. I do not want to get into circular arguments. You will just have to wait.

[VCheng]

Sorry mate. That was not a personal attack. I believe you to be an educated chap.

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So still no response to my post #49 above?

While we wait for further developments, perhaps you would care to respond to the items mentioned in that post?

[lem34]

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Sorry mate that is not an insult there are many on here that lack both qualities

So still no response to my post #49 above?

While we wait for further developments, perhaps you would care to respond to the items mentioned in that post?

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