Hey krash bro... il be going there with around 4-5 of my frnds ... we have 2 4x4s... we will starts frm multan... to RWP onto gilgit Baltistan.... places we are going to visit:
K2 base camp
and some you might help me decide...
We have a budget of around 1 lac!
Stay in army mess/guest houses,our own camps etc.
What is your advice... should we take more money... can we park our vehicles at some safe places before leaving off to base camps or other places/trecking etc..
Is KKH accessable? gear we will need... etc?
Ok so first of all Deosai (snowed shut) and K2 (death trap) are not going to possible at this time of the year. Plus the K2 base camp trek would be a lot more than your budget (50-60k per person). Rakaposhi base camp too would be really difficult at this time of the year. The KKH will be op[en through out unless theres a landslide or something. Karimabad (Rakaposhi is quite clearly visible from here among other amazing and famous peaks) and Skardu would be a good idea (It has snowed in Skardu a couple of days back. Quite early for snow in Skardu). Shangrila should not be a problem, it is very near to Skardu. Im going to assume that your trip is going to be of 10 days. If your not planning on trekking for more than a day (which I would recommend) then 1lac should be awesome. You wont need a lot pf gear and you'l live in luxury. You can see a lot of places too e.g. you can drive up till Hushe valley from skardu passing through Ghanche, Barrah and Khaplu (all amazing places).
The weather is really harsh at this time (-10 to -20 in the lower valleys) of there so you'll need some good gear. Apart from other warm clothing:
-Woolen thermals (shirt and trousers).
-Good fleesed or woolen gloves.
-warm scarf and hat.
But if you are insistent on going for a 4-5 day trek (till around 4300 meters) then what you'll first need to do is contact a local guide asap (and dont go climbing mountain sides just yet. Arrange a trek through the valleys). Its been snowing up north since Oct this year. Many treks have been snowed shut. You'll need to confirm which treks are still open and accessible. I was supposed to go to Verticle top this January to wave at K2 but sadly that trek too has been shut due to snow. For some snowed shut treks you might be able to get through by roping but that will be dangerous. The guide can tell you all about these things. Also if your planning on a 4-5 day trek then you'll only be able to go to only one specific place and not have time to explore the surrounding areas. This will be due to the budget and the time constraint. And the trek will be quite difficult. Dont go without contacting and planning with a local guide there.
The gear for this will be more serious:
-Down Jacket (water/wind proof)
-Down Lower (water/wind proof)
-2 Flees sweaters.
-Internally Fleesed/woolen gloves (preferably mitts) with a water/wind proof outer layer (leather, nylon, etc.). And a pair of woolen inner gloves if it gets too cold which it will up there.
-Gators (if theres sow).
-Good trekking boots (water/wind proof). Very very important. Sneakers will not do.
-60 to 70 ltr Backpack (with an internal frame).
-Woolen muffler/scarf and Beanie (it will keep your ears warm too).
-Poncho (for rain and snow)
-3 polypropylene shirts (you can use other synthetic material shirts too but polypropylene is the best. Dont use shirts made with natural fibers they absorb sweat and moisture and that can make you fall ill in a jip you up there).
-Warm socks 5-6 pairs. This is a little tricky. You need a blend of polypropylene and wool in them. They are difficult to find in our cities but you can find them easily on footpaths in Skardu.
-Sleeping bag preferably fleesed (or down filled for serious warmth)
-A Styrofoam mattress.
-Eye wear. If theres snow it will burn your corneas (snow blind). Super super painful.
-The tents can be arranged by the guide for you. Its hard to explain what you'll exactly need.
There are very few shops you can find this stuff in our cities but good used, and at times new stuff, can be bought from Skardu and Gilgit. There are 3 shops in Lahore of which I can give you the contact details of (one of them sells imported stuff but its pricey). There are some in Islamabad too. Down jackets, lowers, gloves and boots can be found in landa too if your willing to take the risk :p
But seriously drive up till Karimabad, come back deive to Skardu onto Khaplu and then if you have time drive through Astore to from where the trek starts for Fairy Meadows (for fairy meadows contact a guide iv been receiving mixed reports about it since the last time I went there. The main issue is the road leading to it. You might have to jeep or trek a little). You'll find safe places to find your cars dont worry the guides will tell you. Besides most of the treks start from a point where you first have to jeep to get to.
Last edited by krash; 12-13-2011 at 08:41 AM.
Note: This video was made during the summers.
Sleeing bags-atleast i have it-check!
Trekking shoes--would the US army boots help ? or should i buy something else?
Guide-Ex NLI soldier- my fathers old bat man!
Shades,socks,camping stuff- check!
2 JEEPS-1 CJ-5 3400CC,16X275 All Terrain tyres,winch,hunting lights+3 door Pajero.
Budget is no problem we can arrange more money.. we are 4 college guys--21-22 years old.
Can we reach fairy meadows on foot ?
We will be able to reach rakaposhi base camp?
Places you recomend to visit in G-B?
krash brother keep it up this thread should be sticky and secondly tell me you made up to k2 base camp if yes then what was the cost of trek to k2 base camp i heard it much expensive . i have a grand plan to tour the GB next summer from lhr to chitral phander valley , gilgit , hunza valley , khunjrab , naltar , skardu , deosai , astore , fairy meadows , kaghan valley we are 10 to 14 ppl and having budget of more then 2.5 lakh i am desperately waiting for summers , last year i made up to nanga parbat base camp via fairy meadows and k2 base camp trek is my dream
ps: The reason Im trying to convince to not go on any hard treks is that though trekking seems like a piece of cake it really is not. One needs a little experience and then increase the difficulty accordingly and progressively. Otherwise you'll just waist your time, not have fun and return without reaching your desired destination. But the Fairy Meadows-Rama-Rupal trek should give you enough of a challenge to satisfy your hunger. And getting ill up there is very unpleasant.
Your plan is awesome! But dont you think that Chitral would be a bit out of the way? Every other place will fit in very well. Go direct to Gilgit through Besham, Patan, Dassu-->then Naltar-->Hunza-->Khunjrab--> come back through Gilgit and go to Skardu---> go east and loop around Khaplu towards south onto Deosai--> back down then to Astore--> onto Fairy Meadows and then back through Raikot--> Babusar--> Kaghan. But I guess you can start with Chitral--> Shandur--> down to Gilgit on the other side. I have water in my mouth What month did you go to Nangaparbat base camp? I was there in June. Also you should check these places out during the winters as well. Its a completely different experience!
Sir K2 base camp isnt just difficult. Its frikkin too crazy! It is without a doubt the most difficult, challenging and demanding trek in the world, nobody would disagree. For one thing your gaining some serious vertical distance along with the horizontal, I mean +5000 meters is no joke! Then the hidden crevasses, the weather, the terrain and on and on and on! You need to be a serious trekker to attempt it. Going there without experience is not so wise. And forget about the jeep ride to Askole! You have some serious chances of a heat attack while driving there :p One of my friends who went with me is a dhoosh (as we say in punjabi/urdu) and very physically fit but he literally started crying after the third days trek and wanted a heli to be called to take him back LAWL!
Bro I wont be lying if I told you that just touching K2 is one of my most major dreams!
I was planning for Iqbal top/ Vertical top (4800 meters) north east of Hushe (shortest trek from where you can see K2, Broad Peak, G1, G2) and then go climb Mangliksar (6050 meters) this January but as it turns out its seriously snowed shut. So instead ill be going north-west from Hushe to Aling glacier (4500 meters) InshAllah and then go climb Mangliksar. Although our chances of climbing Mangliksar are near to none during this time of the year. Mangliksar has only been climbed twice during the winters and one of those successful attempts was made by Hassan Sadpara (the guy who recently climbed Mt.Everest after K2, Broad Peak, G1 and G2). Wish me luck! Im scared sh*tless
Ill upload my own pics of Concordia now.
Last edited by krash; 12-14-2011 at 04:35 AM.
Note: Following are pics from my own trip to Concordia. Please refrain from sharing them anywhere else. They are just for you guys
Hey krash can you make me some sort of route plan? also how far is nangab parbat base camp frm fairy meadows?
Also im thinking of learning mountainering... guess il enroll in the army moun.. club next winter.
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Gasherbrum IV (center) and Broad Peak (left):
Gasherbrum IV (center) and Broad Peak (left):
Gasherbrum IV (background) Baltoro Glacier (foreground):
*See if you can spot the man in the pick. That will give you an idea of the scales and sizes we were dealing with there. Hes only standing besides one of the infamous ice sharks of the Baltoro Glacier*
*The gravel field which you see in front is actually the Baltoro Glacier with a layer of gravel and dirt on top of it hiding the ice underneath*
K2 and stupid clouds:
*Finally the clouds disappeared*
The first base camp is like a days walk away. Its not very far. Ill go check with my sources about the situation there and give you the complete details tomorrow.
The army program is awesome! They were planning on starting different mountain related courses at Rattu Cantt for civilians as well when the last time I went there for skiing, in march 2010. Courses such as mountaineering, skiing, survival, etc. They did start the skiing course but I dont know about the rest. This reminds me that you can go to Rattu too and ski your heart out. You'll go to Astore by road (The Astore road shoots off of the KKH just around Raikot and goes south-east direct to Astore). From there its a jeep track up till Rattu and the drive will take around 4-5 hours. Of course this track has very good chances of being blocked due to snow and if it is then you'll have to trek till Rattu. Both the times I went there we had to trek 4 & 6 hours.
Wish to climb K2 one day!
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