6 rebels killed in gunbattle in Indian Kashmir, army says

[TALWAR]

6 rebels killed in gunbattle in Indian Kashmir, army says - International Herald Tribune

SRINAGAR, India: Security forces killed six suspected Islamic militants in a gunbattle Saturday in Indian-controlled Kashmir, the army said.

Indian army spokesman Lt. Col. Anil Kumar Mathur said the clash began after troops and police sealed off a forested area near Lurgam following a tip that militants were hiding there. Lurgam is 30 miles (50 kilometers) south of Srinagar, the summer capital of India's Jammu-Kashmir state.

Mathur said the rebels belonged to the Jaish-e-Mohammad militant group, which authorities blame for a number of bombings and attacks, including an assault on India's Parliament in 2001.

With the area still sealed off, there was no independent confirmation of the incident and no immediate comment from the rebel group.

Separately, five people were killed Saturday in an explosion in a policeman's house in Neel village, 75 miles (120 kilometers) south of Srinagar, local police official Hemant Lohia said.

All five died on their way to hospital, he said. Police had initially said six people were injured in the explosion.

Lohia said police were investigating whether the explosion had been triggered by rebels. No other details were immediately available from the remote village.

Last week, eight people, including two soldiers and a news photographer, were killed in a fierce battle between rebels and government forces in the Jammu area of the disputed Himalayan region.

The Indian military also accused Pakistani troops of firing at an Indian army post Wednesday across the heavily guarded de facto border. Pakistan denied the charge.

The frontier has been largely quiet since a 2003 cease-fire between India and Pakistan, followed by the start of a peace process in 2004.

Syed Salahuddin, chairman of the militant coalition United Jihad Council, recently told the local Kashmir News Service that rebels had suffered considerable losses in the last few months and that the guerrilla leadership had prepared a strategy for a "long-drawn war" with Indian forces.

Jaish-e-Mohammad is one of more than a dozen rebel groups fighting for either independence from mainly Hindu India or a union with Muslim-majority Pakistan. More than 68,000 people, mostly civilians, have been killed since the start of an anti-India rebellion in the region in 1989.

Kashmir is split between India and Pakistan. Both countries claim the Himalayan territory in its entirety and have fought two wars over its control since their independence from Britain in 1947.

[TALWAR]

These terrorist's should be slaughtered like pigs and their bodies given to vulchers.

[Growler]

In the Kasmiri's eyes, 6 freedom fighters killed by the terrorits..

[Growler]

Originally Posted by TALWAR

These terrorist's should be slaughtered like pigs and their bodies given to vulchers.

Mind your lang freshi!

[TALWAR]

Originally Posted by 23march

Mind your lang freshi!

Terrorists are terrorists, whether in Balochistan or Kashmir! They all should be punished in the same coin as they do to the innocent civilians.

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Originally Posted by TALWAR

Terrorists are terrorists, whether in Balochistan or Kashmir! They all should be punished in the same coin as they do to the innocent civilians.

How the hell have these freedom fighters ever terrorized Kashmir civilians?

[TALWAR]

Originally Posted by 23march

How the hell have these freedom fighters ever terrorized Kashmir civilians?

Pretty much in the same way as Taliban does in Afganistan or as BLA does in Balochistan.

These issues should be resolved by negotiation, and not by guns. Those taking the illegal route will meet the above fate.

[Growler]

Originally Posted by TALWAR

Pretty much in the same way as Taliban does in Afganistan or as BLA does in Balochistan.

These issues should be resolved by negotiation, and not by guns. Those taking the illegal route will meet the above fate.

By the looks of your conversation you seem to have too much fox news NDTV influence that calls every Muslim freedom fighter a "terrorist". Kashmir is a occupied territory by the intruders "indians" and the UN has been UNable to resolve the Kashmiri issue of bringing them justice and freedom.
As for Baluchistan.. Their demand is too much to ask. Basically Bugti the dog wanted his own land 1/3 of pakistan Baluchistan to be freed from Pakistan and govern his land like a dictator!

[TALWAR]

Do you say the the muslim fighters hiding in Lal-Masjid were "freedom fighters" ? I have nothing against muslims, which is the 2nd largest religion in the world. But some misguided muslims support terrorists in the name of "freedom fighters", this is affecting the image of otherwise a very peaceful religion.

Terrorists have no relegion, they just use religion as a mask to get public support, for easily performing their cowardly activities. A real fighter will challenge, and not hide like mice.

[IceCold]

Originally Posted by TALWAR

Terrorists have no relegion, they just use religion as a mask to get public support, for easily performing their cowardly activities. A real fighter will challenge, and not hide like mice.

So you agree that terrorism has no religion, then why only when the terrorist is a muslim, islam is immediately linked with it as was clearly mentioned in your first post in this thread, "Security forces killed six suspected islamic militants". Miltants are militants, whether freedom fighters or terrorists, religion should not be linked with it imo.

[TALWAR]

Originally Posted by IceCold

So you agree that terrorism has no religion, then why only when the terrorist is a muslim, islam is immediately linked with it as was clearly mentioned in your first post in this thread, "Security forces killed six suspected islamic militants". Miltants are militants, whether freedom fighters or terrorists, religion should not be linked with it imo.

I agree with you. Sorry, I did not write this news article.
But because these terrorists use Islam as a shield, the news reporters write like this. The muslim educated/moderate world should raise against these terrorists to prevent the image of Islam from being stained.

[asaad-ul-islam]

where are the indians? didn't they say the movement was crushed and died out?

what did I say? musharraf extended his hand for peace at the cost of the lives of pakistanis. indians did not take it, now they will get a taste of their own medicine.

[asaad-ul-islam]

Originally Posted by TALWAR

I agree with you. Sorry, I did not write this news article.
But because these terrorists use Islam as a shield, the news reporters write like this. The muslim educated/moderate world should raise against these terrorists to prevent the image of Islam from being stained.

whatever, you're the one to talk, indian.

are you trying to say that a muslim should just forget that his mother, sister, or daughter was raped by an indian soldier? Or that his son was tortured to death and can't even find his body?

these people have the right to fight back, cut the crap. whether they use islam as a shield or not, you have no right to tell them what they can or can't do. it's their life, let them avenge their loved ones.

even the most secular of muslims will root for these guys, so quit trying.

[TALWAR]

Originally Posted by asaad-ul-islam

whatever, you're the one to talk, indian.

are you trying to say that a muslim should just forget that his mother, sister, or daughter was raped by an indian soldier? Or that his son was tortured to death and can't even find his body?

these people have the right to fight back, cut the crap. whether they use islam as a shield or not, you have no right to tell them what they can or can't do. it's their life, let them avenge their loved ones.

even the most secular of muslims will root for these guys, so quit trying.

Yes, let them take revenge against the actual preparators, I mean the terrorists. Let them join the forces and fight against the terrorists who are the root cause of all this. A good example is Kashmiri who quit terrorism to join the Indian Army, and he really did avenge the death of his father. He is a hero and is awarded by the Indian Army.

Point is, the so called freedom struggle is political that was induced in 1989. Till then there was peace in the region.

If you support these terrorists under the shield of Islam, remember that more muslims will be targetted all over the world. All Indian muslims are well educated and do not support these terrorist activities, but still they are harassed whey they travel abroad and stay in foreign countries.

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Originally Posted by asaad-ul-islam

whatever, you're the one to talk, indian.

are you trying to say that a muslim should just forget that his mother, sister, or daughter was raped by an indian soldier? Or that his son was tortured to death and can't even find his body?

these people have the right to fight back, cut the crap. whether they use islam as a shield or not, you have no right to tell them what they can or can't do. it's their life, let them avenge their loved ones.

even the most secular of muslims will root for these guys, so quit trying.

With regard to human rights violations in Kashmir, all the concerned parties are equally at fault. So statements like "raped by an indian soldier," are highly uncalled for.

And who gave you the idea that secular Muslims in India support "terrorism in Kashmir or elsewhere" because it is being carried out by "Muslim brothers to avenge the wrongs done to their fellow Muslims?" Frankly, most Muslim hardliners would also not "avenge their loved ones." And what vengeance are you talking about? Killing of innocents is vengeance? Do you think these terrorists/fighters achieve something worthwhile? Do you think they help Kashmiris? Their ominous "zeal" and "presence" is what forces the Indian Army to maintain such heavy troop concentration. Their presence is what ensures that life does not remain normal in Kashmir. Let's face it, neither India nor Pakistan, regardless of the wishes of Kashmiris, want an independent Kashmir. An independent Kashmir is neither pragmatic nor plausible. Pakistan wants an independent Kashmir, so that sooner or later it could absorb it or assimilate it to a great degree.

As far as using the term "Islamic Terrorism" is concerned, the term does not imply that Islam is a "bad" religion, the term implies terrorism that is drawn to a certain extent from skewed interpretations of Islam. The problem facing the world is not Islamic terrorism, per se, rather it is the extent of it (Islamic terrorism). And the people who suffer are ordinary Muslims, who then, as a consequence, develop further loathing. And the cycle goes on.

Further, why is that every time the Kashmir issue is raised, allegations are only made against India or the Indian Army? Isn't it quiet obvious that in pseudo-conflicts, human rights violations are done by one and all. And why is that the history of Kashmir begins from the rise of the insurgency? Can somebody elucidate me as to how Kashmir was before the insurgency?

By the way, the "indian" has a name.