Indian Navy Chief Admiral Sureesh Mehta Spells Out Vision 2022

[malaymishra123]

Originally Posted by nitesh

While JDS Ashari and Umigari are 2,500-tonne destroyers carrying Harpoons, Surface-to-Air missiles, JDS Kashima is a naval training ship.

How is a 2500ton warship a DDG? Shouldnt it be a a Corvette or at max at FFG?

[nitesh]

Originally Posted by malaymishra123

How is a 2500ton warship a DDG? Shouldnt it be a a Corvette or at max at FFG?

leave something for DDM sir

[malaymishra123]

Originally Posted by nitesh

leave something for DDM sir

Lol! That was funny mate!

[nitesh]

Originally Posted by malaymishra123

Lol! That was funny mate!

After u pointed out then only I understood it, poor reporting that's all

[nitesh]

pls check this info:

IN facing US carrier force

rediff.com: India's finest take on the West's best

[jaison]

good news indeed.

[nitesh]

The speed at which the training exercises are happening that amazes me.

[nitesh]

Indian Navy Ships May Be Built in S. Korea - Defense News

Indian Navy Ships May Be Built in S. Korea


NEW DELHI - With Indian shipyards too busy to meet demand for new military vessels, the Indian Navy is negotiating with South Korea to build warships there.

To begin with, a frigate and an escort vessel for the Indian Navy could be built in South Korea, Indian Defence Ministry sources said.

Adm. Sureesh Mehta, chief of the Indian Navy, will discuss the matter with South Korean Defense Minister Lee Sang-hee and other officials during an Aug. 19-24 tour that takes him to Japan and South Korea, Navy sources said.

The Indian Navy plans to buy more warships to replace the large number of obsolescent ones due to be scrapped in the next five years. But India's shipbuilding capacity is saturated.

Mehta will visit South Korean submarines and the naval academy. In Japan, he will meet Japanese Defense Minister Shigeru Ishiba and Vice Defense Minister Kohei Masud. Mehta will also visit the Yokohama shipyard and the front-line ships of the Japanese Maritime Self-Defense Force.

[nitesh]

some more info about the exercise:

The Telegraph - Calcutta (Kolkata) | Nation | Undersea nuke ‘war’ with US

Undersea nuke ‘war’ with US
- Latest edition of Malabar naval exercises to include nuclear subs

New Delhi, Aug. 21: A mock encounter between a US nuclear-powered submarine and an Indian submarine is among a set of manoeuvres planned for the latest edition of the India-US “Malabar” series, a senior naval officer said here today.

The US flotilla from the Carrier Strike Group-7 with the USS Ronald Reagan, the latest nuclear-powered supercarrier, will be off India’s west coast for the Malabar war game from October 15 to 24.

The duel between the submarines that is at the core of the latest edition of the exercise indicates just how the India-US military engagement has been scaled up in intensity and complexity. Both navies now claim that they are able to operate jointly in a battle group.

The last edition of the exercise in the Bay of Bengal (September 2007) — which also had four other navies participating — became a political issue with the Left alleging it was part of a programme to integrate the Indian military with America’s ambitions.

The USS Ronald Reagan is on its way to replace the USS Kitty Hawk — which was de-commissioned in May — which led the US flotilla in the last war game.

India’s only aircraft carrier, the INS Viraat, is not usable right now. The carrier is being put through a major refit to extend its life.

The USSN Springfield nuclear-powered submarine and the Indian Navy’s INS Shishumar — made by German firm HDW — will face off in the Malabar “encounter-ex” to test searching, tracking and killing capability. On paper, the nuclear-powered submarine is noisier — making it easier to detect — than the diesel-electric Shishumar, but it is more powerful.

The Indian Navy is understood to have refused to pit one of its quieter Kilo-class (or Sindhughosh-class) submarines for the exercise. It had refused to deploy a submarine in the last Malabar exercise though the US had sent one.

The Indian Navy’s Sindhughosh-class submarines have recently been equipped with Klub missiles from Russia. The Iranian navy is also known to operate Kilo-class submarines.

“The exercise will involve alternating command-and-control,” said assistant chief of naval staff (foreign co-operation) Rear Admiral Pradeep Chauhan. “For part of the exercise, the US rear admiral commanding CSG-7 will be in command and for the rest it will be our western fleet commander.”

The USSN Springfield is nuclear-powered and, technically, not classified as a submarine equipped to fire nuclear warheads. The INS Shishumar is classified as an SSK — a sub-surface killer.

The “encounter-ex” — in which the Indian and US forces will face off — is scheduled from October 15 to 17. During the harbour phase of the exercise, US vessels will be berthing or anchoring off Goa and Mumbai on October 18 and 19.

Manoeuvres after the harbour phase will include visit, board, search and seizure drills, naval air patrols, airborne early warning and strike missions of aircraft on board the USS Ronald Reagan and from shore-based Sea Harriers of the Indian Navy.

[jaison]

mehta has visited france and dcn ahead rfp........
now Mehta will visit South Korean submarines and the naval academy which also manufactures u-214.........so do u think this has something to do with the tender,but they hav also been selected by pak navy?????????

[nitesh]

nothing has been finalized by PN on U 214

[jaison]

Originally Posted by nitesh

nothing has been finalized by PN on U 214

yes but it is almost sure that they will do.........will the version offered to india be superior or the same,if its the same then they will hav difficulty in winning it.

[Energon]

Originally Posted by jaison

yes but it is almost sure that they will do.........will the version offered to india be superior or the same,if its the same then they will hav difficulty in winning it.

I have never been able to understand the panic behind selecting common hardware. India and Pakistan have a significant amount of common military assets, the best example being the Mig21/J7 which has served as the backbone of both air forces for some time now.

It is true, that India generally tends to get more advanced variants given their bigger coffers; however with the current migration towards network centric warfare indicates that even the most sophisticated piece of hardware is only a pawn in the greater scheme of things and its individual importance might actually be slightly reduced. Hence even if Pakistan and India get the same submarine, ship or aircraft, what will eventually makes the difference is the ability for each armed force to network the said unit with its other surface, land, air and space assets.

I have also seen heated debates on the "man behind the machine" hypothesis which come across to me as more jingoistic in nature rather than of any actual value. On this front the financing and organizational level of the training seem to be a lot more important than the belief that there are warrior-superheros out there who will determine a definitive outcome in a potential conflict.

[jaison]

Originally Posted by Energon

I have never been able to understand the panic behind selecting common hardware. India and Pakistan have a significant amount of common military assets, the best example being the Mig21/J7 which has served as the backbone of both air forces for some time now.

It is true, that India generally tends to get more advanced variants given their bigger coffers; however with the current migration towards network centric warfare indicates that even the most sophisticated piece of hardware is only a pawn in the greater scheme of things and its individual importance might actually be slightly reduced. Hence even if Pakistan and India get the same submarine, ship or aircraft, what will eventually makes the difference is the ability for each armed force to network the said unit with its other surface, land, air and space assets.

I have also seen heated debates on the "man behind the machine" hypothesis which come across to me as more jingoistic in nature rather than of any actual value. On this front the financing and organizational level of the training seem to be a lot more important than the belief that there are warrior-superheros out there who will determine a definitive outcome in a potential conflict.

yes but mig-21 which were from hal and russia came earlier than j-7(made by china) so pak made the mistake of choosing common hardware, can u site an example of india choosing common hardware after pak possesed it first.......and mig-21bison is much more advanced than j-7 with elta-2032,r-77 israeli electronic warfare and other major subsystems from india............ur correct abt the "man behind the machine" argument pak will have less netcentric capability than india which would have a negetive impact on their operational capability during a war and pak members always claim their men are anytime better than indian men based on 1965(when they had better equipment and training than india).....today india is not the same as it was in 1965.

[Energon]

Originally Posted by jaison

yes but mig-21 which were from hal and russia came earlier than j-7(made by china) so pak made the mistake of choosing common hardware, can u site an example of india choosing common hardware after pak possesed it first.......and mig-21bison is much more advanced than j-7 with elta-2032,r-77 israeli electronic warfare and other major subsystems from india............ur correct abt the "man behind the machine" argument pak will have less netcentric capability than india which would have a negetive impact on their operational capability during a war and pak members always claim their men are anytime better than indian men based on 1965(when they had better equipment and training than india).....today india is not the same as it was in 1965.

India procured the Mirage2000H (the absolute baseline model, and techincally the closest successor to the Mirage IIIC) after Pakistan obtained IIIC and V variants.

Its only the upgraded bis and bison versions of the Mig21 that are more advanced than the Pakistani J-7s; but essentially the aircraft was the same until the said upgrades were carried out by the IAF.