India's spy satellite all set to keep a tab on Pakistan, China .

[Patriot]

US wanted to bomb China in 61 not because of India it was because China was also spreading Communism and US just wanted a reason to bomb it.In today terms, China is far more powerful an can bomb India back to stone ages and Pakistan China Friendship is not just military.China has access to Gawadar..Chinese are buying Pakistani Companies, etc.It's a good investment country for them.If it was not for 9/11.Pakistan would have been in Much better position.Anyway I am all for China India bad relationship as this way India cannot pull any strings in China and our relationship with China will remain strong.

[malaymishra123]

Originally Posted by gpit

You seem to lack the knowledge of ground reality, buddy.

Their interests are overlapping on vast areas, thanks to a hostile India! You can’t deny that because of China you dare not (even try to) run over Pakistan, now or before (in 1971).

So according to you, India did not attack West Pakistan because of China?
You give China way too much credit. Allow me to elaborate below. Please read my post a couple of paragraphs below. Heck actually, what China did and has done to protect Pakistan during 1971 was less than minuscule compared to what the USA did. And even there, they could not do much, let alone China.

As I said 100 times, China viewed 1971 East-West Pakistan crisis as Pakistan internal matters (perhaps aggravated by RAW/India evil activities). China did not recognize Bangladesh until West Pakistan recognized it. China, as its doctrine stands, will not interfere with another sovereign country’s internal affaire, unlike India did imperialistically, for instance, towards Sikkim by invasion and occupation.

Just like China did for Tibet? Or how it also claims Spratly islands? How it invades other countries-Vietnam?

Please spare me the self righteous bull$hit your spouting about China.

Im sorry mate, but Tibet is officially recognized by India to be part of China, as is Sikkim, recognized by CCP to be a part of India.

In 1971, China made a clear signal to world powers that (west) Pakistan’s independence must be preserved, hinting at India’s possible invasion by gathering of troops on its western front (US Department of State document). India finally cringed as China also prepared some troops along Sino-India boarders.

China did bring a small number of troops to the border, but that act merely made China's inaction later on embarrassing for China.

And that China backed off later surely had NOTHING to do with the fact that India had just signed the Treaty Of Friendship with the USSR, which clearly said that incase of any attack on India USSR would respond, right? The intent was quite clear. This apart, Russia also sent in its naval vessels to warn the US 7th Fleet which had sailed in Bay Of Bengal to assist Pakistan.

Sorry buddy, China sent no signal, no nothing, and its not because of China that India did not attack West Pakistan as well. You overestimate China's importance..grossly. China is really not an issue when it comes to a war with Pakistan.

You mention China to be the reason why West Pakistan was not attacked, the idea is laughable. Why then tell me, did China allow Indian Army to separate East Pakistan. Initially, it could have been that China thought that the issue was an internal affair of Pakistan, and thus should not intervene.And did not China gathering the small number of troops on the Indo-Chinese border constitute a threat against Indian action in Pakistan(in tis entirety)!

Why then were they unsuccessful? The entering of Indian Army officially into what is today Bangladesh was not kept a secret, it was quite open. India entered into East Pakistan quite freely! Thereafter the defeat of East Pakistan was also quite clear, why then did China remain silent? Was your job only to protect West Pakistan? Lol. China is incapable of physically protecting Pakistan in any way. And if China is not physically defending Pakistan, then everything else is practically useless. And by virtue of having a stronger military, this Chinese support for Pakistan means absolutely nothing to India in operational terms(vis-a-vis Pakistan) apart from earmarking a some troops in the North East.

And btw, Russia and India agreed to let the Indo-Pak affair remain bilateral, thus even Russia said that India and Pakistan issue then was a bilateral issue and NO other country should get involved.

Originally Posted by gpit

Loosing an India does no harm to Russia. Russia can definitely afford it. Thus, Russia can either sell satellite information to you at a ridiculously higher price or not sell at all.

How very wrong you are. You have just proved you know very little of the importance of India to Russia and vice versa. And Russia btw did not sell satellite information, it was practically gifted, neither was overcharged, and nothing was denied to India. I'll explain this point below as well, about the charges for the equipment and things India got from Russia.

For the longest time, having India as a Russian ally has been a boon to them. Not just because of the market-which if btw was the only criteria as per you, then even China would have shared the same if not better relations with USSR than India by virtue of having a bigger market for Russian equipments.

Access to South Asia, access to Indian Ocean, among a hundred other things are a reason for the ridiculously strong Indo-Russian relations then. Also having the largest and strongest country of the region(South Asia) as your ally, is really not a bad deal. Russia also thought that Communism would eventually prevail in India, which would make it a permanent Russian ally. It would also counter Pakistan which was in the American camp.The secret meetings of CPI leaders with Russian leaders is also well known. All this apart from Russia benefiting from having an ally which also had a beef with China, just like Russia.

Loosing an independent Pakistan does a lot more harm to China, 1) China’s west front is sealed; 2) as it will wet the neo-imperialist’s appetite fervently, causing it attempts to stir more trouble around it.

So basically, there it is quite easy to say that lossing an ally in India would be equally problematic for Russia. For reasons different than those you mention for China, but important nontheless.

You are basically conjecturing that losing an independent Pakistan does a lot more harm to China and basing your arguments on this issue, which can quantitatively not be mapped.

You must have heard the word “friendship price”, which does not exist in Russian dictionary. Never!

Then you dont know the Indo-Russian relations. Practically everything India(weapons and technology) wielded in the USSR era was Russian and at friendship prices, a lot of times, in exchange for goods, on soft loans, etc, etc, etc. Donot compare the Sino-Russian relations with the Indo-Russian ones, they are qualitatively very different.

[malaymishra123]

Originally Posted by saadahmed

In today terms, China is far more powerful an can bomb India back to stone ages and Pakistan

Your technical analysis is absolutely astounding. Do tell me mate, how did you come to this absolutely spot on conclusion!

China Friendship is not just military.China has access to Gawadar..Chinese are buying Pakistani Companies, etc.It's a good investment country for them.

I pity your intellect, if you think that this is a good sign!

[Gabbar]

You seem to lack the knowledge of ground reality, buddy.

Their interests are overlapping on vast areas, thanks to a hostile India! You can’t deny that because of China you dare not (even try to) run over Pakistan, now or before (in 1971).

As a matter of fact, in early 1950s, China was in suspicion that India would join Western camp by allying with Pakistan, which Nehru pledged to China that India would not to. (CIA documents)

And you seems to lack the knowledge of reading the posts carefully. I said "Hypothetically speaking".

As I said 100 times, China viewed 1971 East-West Pakistan crisis as Pakistan internal matters (perhaps aggravated by RAW/India evil activities). China did not recognize Bangladesh until West Pakistan recognized it. China, as its doctrine stands, will not interfere with another sovereign country’s internal affaire, unlike India did imperialistically, for instance, towards Sikkim by invasion and occupation.

You can say it 101 time but reality remains, China did not help you guys in 1971. As far as Sikkim is concerned, China already have recognized Sikkim as part of India so your argument is futile.

In 1971, China made a clear signal to world powers that (west) Pakistan’s independence must be preserved, hinting at India’s possible invasion by gathering of troops on its western front (US Department of State document). India finally cringed as China also prepared some troops along Sino-India boarders.

What difference does it make, BD was already liberated and damage was done!!!

[Screaming Skull]

Radar reconnaissance capability of RISAT-2 comparable to USAF's latest U-2 spy plane: Lockheed Martin

On Monday, the trusty Polar Satellite Launch Vehicle carried into orbit what is widely perceived as an Israeli-built radar satellite intended for India’s defence and security services. Earth-viewing satellites built and launched hitherto by India have depended on picking up light coming from the ground below. These satellites cannot work at night or when clouds block visibility. Putting a radar on a satellite overcomes these problems and enables it to capture images irrespective of weather and lighting conditions. The Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO) has for some years been developing its own radar satellite, RISAT-1 (an acronym for Radar Imaging Satellite), which may be ready to take to the sky by the end of 2009. Meanwhile, the RISAT-2 satellite, which has just been launched, was realised “in association with Israel Aerospace Industries,” according to an ISRO press release. (But RISAT-2, in contrast to RISAT-1, does not figure in the Annual Report or the Outcome Budget presented by the Department of Space to Parliament last year.) In January 2008, the PSLV launched Israel’s TECSAR radar spy satellite. A drawing of RISAT-2 released by ISRO shows the satellite to be strikingly similar to that of TECSAR, and their weights and orbits also match. RISAT-2 is said to have a resolution that varies from one to 10 metres, depending on the mode in which it operates. With a higher resolution than that of RISAT-1 or Canada’s RADARSAT-2, the satellite just launched will be able to detect far smaller objects. The Indian space agency’s press release claims that RISAT-2 “will enhance ISRO’s capability for earth observation,” especially during floods, cyclones, and landslides, and aid in the management of disasters. On the other hand, the space website Spaceflight Now, quoting officials of the U.S. aerospace giant, Lockheed Martin, observed that RISAT-2 will give India a radar reconnaissance capability comparable to that on the latest U-2 spy plane operated by the U.S. Air Force.

India’s first university-built satellite, ANUSAT, travelled as a co-passenger on the latest PSLV launch. The 38-kg “micro” satellite designed by the Anna University in Chennai will be capable of storing and forwarding messages as it orbits the earth. IIT Kanpur is planning another small satellite and IIT Mumbai too is believed to be considering one. Such satellites provide an opportunity to test advanced technologies inexpensively and is also seen as a way to get a younger generation interested in spaceflight. For ISRO, the PSLV has registered its 14th consecutive success. A key challenge coming up this year is the launch of the Geosynchronous Satellite Launch Vehicle equipped for the first time with an indigenous cryogenic engine and stage.

[abrakadabra]

Originally Posted by IceCold

The objective was never to capture land, it was to destroy Pakistan's war machine and to give it such a devastating blow that it would never be able to return to its own foot ever again.

I tend to disagree with you please. I feel that was not India's objective. My reasons for disagreement are:
1. India released thousands of Pakistani POWs after the war
2. MB was asking IA to hand over the captured PA people to them. India did not do it.

[IceCold]

Originally Posted by abrakadabra

I tend to disagree with you please. I feel that was not India's objective. My reasons for disagreement are:
1. India released thousands of Pakistani POWs after the war
2. MB was asking IA to hand over the captured PA people to them. India did not do it.

You are wrong. What India did was to achieve a higher ground at the world stage and nothing out of the good will. Objectives were very clear cut Pakistan into half and weaken it so that it does not pose any more threat to India.

[IceCold]

Originally Posted by godsavetheworld

The thing China gains is nothing except strategic edge. Pakistan and China have both common enemy. Its that simple. The last it does is help uplift Chinese economy the way is helps Pakistan's economy. Ironically, China's largest trade partner in Asia and Europe combined is India,and its sole enemy in Asia and Europe combined is also India.

Again wrong, because what China gains is far more then mere strategic edge. Also as far as the last line is concerned, i think its very much the opposite because clearly China does not see India as its sole enemy, its actually the opposite and one can see the Indian development in this regard from testing BM that can hit the Chinese main land to send satellites to spy on China, one can see how sees the other as a sole enemy.

[godsavetheworld]

Originally Posted by IceCold

Again wrong, because what China gains is far more then mere strategic edge. Also as far as the last line is concerned, i think its very much the opposite because clearly China does not see India as its sole enemy, its actually the opposite and one can see the Indian development in this regard from testing BM that can hit the Chinese main land to send satellites to spy on China, one can see how sees the other as a sole enemy.

Havent we debated this enough? Oblivious to what you choose to believe, the fact remains that the enimity is there. China does things that we consider a threat to us, and we do the same that China considers a threat. So lets get over this..

[abrakadabra]

Originally Posted by IceCold

You are wrong. What India did was to achieve a higher ground at the world stage and nothing out of the good will. Objectives were very clear cut Pakistan into half and weaken it so that it does not pose any more threat to India.

I will agree with you that India did want to "cut Pakistan into half" for whatever good or bad reason and achieved the same at an opportune time. I do not believe there was any bigger objective.

However, some how I cannot understand the picture of India starting a war to "give Pakisthan such a devastating blow that it would never be able to return to its own foot ever again"; And then when it did get a chance to fulfil its objective, backing out to "achieve a higher ground at the world stage".

So, let us disagree on this and get on.

[malaymishra123]

FYI for the people here:

In most likelihood India will also launch its first dedicated military satellite next year.

[asq]

Originally Posted by IceCold

Now i do believe that after the launch of this satellite, it has become even more important that we acquire an Anti Sat capability if not then in an event of a conflict Indians will have an upper hand in terms of real time intelligence gathering and modern day war fares depends upon how accurate your Intel is.

Bro. ice cold. China did a very simple and inexpensive thing, blinded these satlites with a lazer beam when they pass over china.

[abrakadabra]

Originally Posted by asq

Bro. ice cold. China did a very simple and inexpensive thing, blinded these satlites with a lazer beam when they pass over china.

Amazing. This is NOT an issue as per international law/conventions as well. However it may be difficult to do it always as satellites do have mechanisms by which their path of traverse could be altered (for a finite number of times, at the cost of the life of the satellite).

On the contrary, as per the international law/conventions, shooting down a satellite of another country is equal to declaring a formal war on that country.

[asq]

And as per international laws taking pics of sansative areas of a country is also illegal and immoral, so the country has the right to atleast blind it.

[Sambha]

Originally Posted by asq

And as per international laws taking pics of sansative areas of a country is also illegal and immoral, so the country has the right to atleast blind it.

I thought law defines only legal and illegal. Thanks for the update.