India's spy satellite all set to keep a tab on Pakistan, China .

[Sambha]

Originally Posted by haawk

farely speaking, i dont see china helping pakistan even in present times ....

Militants in Pakistan often use Chinese made heavy weapons and mines to attack Pakistani army; and probably lot of their light weaponry originated in China too.

But how this is helping Pakistan you won't understand, beyond your norms.

[haawk]

Originally Posted by Sambha

Militants in Pakistan often use Chinese made heavy weapons and mines to attack Pakistani army; and probably lot of their light weaponry originated in China too.

But how this is helping Pakistan you won't understand, beyond your norms.

what i ment was that they would not directy threaten to attack india if india attacked pakistan

[gpit]

Originally Posted by malaymishra123

The plan had long been dropped. Those plans were acceptable in '62. Not when US wanted a rapproachment with China to counter USSR and considered Pakistan pivotal to Sino-American relationship.
Nixon had also visited China.

I seriously doubt you have ever spent time studying that independently. Remind you, the documents I quoted are specifically for 1971, not 1962. In addition, Indo-US Air Defence Agreement of July 1963 (mainly against China) could still be invoked. (BTW, one can’t help but think an incredible India that benefited from both evil communist and ugly anti-communist at the same time.)

If you think US would seriously attack India, it’s a joke.

And ofcourse it was also the US who encouraged China to make military moves to deter India to act against Pakistan.

Ofcourse, all Nixon said seems to be opposite to his actions in that period. The fact at the end of the day is he sent his fleet to intimidate India.

Fortunately, Mao saw it through wisely.

Exactly. And that is one of the reasons why China could not even think about invading India. Because of the Treaty of Friendship with USSR. Any invasion of China in India would have led to USSR making military moves against China. Quid Pro Quo. China couldnt have done anything even if it had wanted to.

As a mater of fact, China was well prepared for possible Soviet invasion. Across China, there were trenches and supplies… A-bombs were rumored set-up north and northwest of China waiting for Soviet mechanized troops…

Nonetheless, a big conflict was calculated not for the best, as both China and US needed to ally to face the same expanding evil, and popular emotion would be stirred up again for fighting against communist countries, which include China.

Successful? You call splitting of Pakistan in half successful for China? China's aim was to ensure that Pakistan was not broken up.

Or according to you, China only guaranteed that West Pakistan would not be attacked? Lol. Tell me your joking. At that time, it was Pakistan which was attacked directly by India and split in half. At that time, it was not the Pakistan as it exists today. China failed to stop India in attacking "Pakistan".

Frankly, breaking a country in half qualifies as an existential threat, and China or US could prevent it.

And China moved its troops to the border to warn against any Indian aggression in East Pakistan. And then the Indian Army walked in Pakistan and converted half to Bangladesh...Precisely what China threatened against. And what did China do while India carried out its operations-which were quite open and long actually? Twiddle its thumbs.

Like i said, moving of Chinese troops to the Indian-Chinese border was just posturing, and it made a fool out of China. India did exactly what it wanted to do despite China's threats of aggression in the North.

China cannot, even if it wants to protect Pakistan physically. It has failed to do so in the past as well. And by physically, i mean that starting a war against India, not sending troops to Pakistan to fight alongside them!

This exactly shows the wisdom of Chinese leaders: they didn’t have to send troop to invade or fight to win what desired: an independent Pakistan; they just had to ship out some warnings to reach their goal. “The great general is one who finds a way to win without fighting” <<The Art of War>>

AS far as EP is concerned, CPC knows it to the core that if its own people wanted split, no one can stop it, much less a foreign force.

As Bangladesh stands today it is still China’s friend, isn’t it?

Lol. You have serious problems in understanding the military capabilities of Bangladeshi Army or Navy if you think they can even begin to stop an Indian attack on Bangladesh.

Military serves only an extension of politics. Your imperialistic desire, a reflection of your bad politics, of attacking Bangladesh will surely meet blowing resistance even if Bangladesh is weaker.

Secondly, with their new govt in power, i see Bangladesh becoming more and more friendly with India day by day.

Truly hope GoI will learn a lesson or two to ameliorate its relationship with its neighboring countries.

You deliberately try to obfuscate the issues. We are talking about Russian help in technology and equipment during the USSR days, not the present day Russia.

Soviet was Russia in the core. Amazing you can deny that.

It seems however that you are the one with some twisted views that have been running rampantly in China with goverment encouragement ofcourse!

Sorry to disappoint you, I’m fortunate to possess the capability that allows me to gather information from West as well as from East without much language barriers, and to think independently without being bound ideologically. Keep indulging in your own imagination or following your homemade propagandas as you wish.

BTW, if you feel still compelled to talk 71, please open another thread.

[Squallmao]

Originally Posted by Sambha

Militants in Pakistan often use Chinese made heavy weapons and mines to attack Pakistani army; and probably lot of their light weaponry originated in China too.

But how this is helping Pakistan you won't understand, beyond your norms.

So all of the sudden, you claim those weapons were made in China? or even supplied by China? Where did u get this info? or just made it up?

This is a cheap shot, u know?

[Squallmao]

Originally Posted by Sambha

Pak preferred China over IMF for an urgent loan. But something the Pakistani establishment doesn't seem to understand in all these years of "friendship" with China is that Chinese only talks money.

Now compare this to what Pakistan has done for China, it 'shipped' control of NE Kashmir to China as a token of "friendship".
I'd say a classic betrayal.

It's not a surprise that someone from India don't understand this "friendship", just because India never had this kind of "friendship".

I hope one day India will have a taste of some real "friendship"

[paritosh]

Originally Posted by Squallmao

It's not a surprise that someone from India don't understand this "friendship", just because India never had this kind of "friendship".

I hope one day India will have a taste of some real "friendship"

look north...and you'd see Russia...East is japan...west is the yanks...and we are always there...we are the south asia!

[malaymishra123]

Originally Posted by gpit

I seriously doubt you have ever spent time studying that independently. Remind you, the documents I quoted are specifically for 1971, not 1962. In addition, Indo-US Air Defence Agreement of July 1963 (mainly against China) could still be invoked. (BTW, one can’t help but think an incredible India that benefited from both evil communist and ugly anti-communist at the same time.)

First of all, there was NO formal agreement between India and US for air defence over India. India wanted it, but in the end, no deal was signed. Any semblance of good relations was over with the '65 war with Pakistan.

'US asked China to menace India in 1971 war'
Read what the article quotes, and its sources. With all what Nixon stated about Indira Gandhi.

If you think US would seriously attack India, it’s a joke.



Fortunately, Mao saw it through wisely.

Mao made a fool of himself by putting up troops and then later doing nothing while accomplishing nothing. The same as in the '65 war with Pakistan, when they suffered 'loss of face'! China ratcheted up the border issue during the war with Pakistan so that India would have to divert troops to the North. In the end, when India foiled Pakistan's attempt to grab Kashmir, China demanded-

*return of some yaks that India had stolen!*

That is what i call 'loss of face'.

As a mater of fact, China was well prepared for possible Soviet invasion. Across China, there were trenches and supplies… A-bombs were rumored set-up north and northwest of China waiting for Soviet mechanized troops…

Nonetheless, a big conflict was calculated not for the best, as both China and US needed to ally to face the same expanding evil, and popular emotion would be stirred up again for fighting against communist countries, which include China.

Ofcourse and Russia did not have nukes right? They did not have missiles already aiming at Lop Nor, and just needed an excuse to launch them? Something China desperately did not want, and thus wanted to avoid a war at all costs.

This exactly shows the wisdom of Chinese leaders: they didn’t have to send troop to invade or fight to win what desired: an independent Pakistan; they just had to ship out some warnings to reach their goal. “The great general is one who finds a way to win without fighting” <<The Art of War>>

Haha. What goal did CPC achieve by sending troops to the border. India did not react. The troops were sent to convey the message that India should NOT attack Pakistan. And India did. Thus calling the Chinese bluff.

China watched by, as the Indian Army went in and defeated the then East Pakistan. What did CPC do? They FAILED to protect the territorial integrity of Pakistan.

AS far as EP is concerned, CPC knows it to the core that if its own people wanted split, no one can stop it, much less a foreign force.

Actually, had India not intervened, Bangladesh would never have been formed.

East Pakistan seceded only and only because India intervened directly. India did so, because the Indian trained Mukti Bahini(the guirella's) were not being able to achieve their goals. Thus Indian Army was made to step in deliberately to salvage the situation. And again, what could China do to prevent India from getting involved directly? Against something China deliberately threatened against by moving troops to the border? Nothing.

I think we'r both missing each other on this. You say its because of China that Pakistan still stands.

Let me correct you here, India did not attack West Pakistan for a WHOLE host of reasons, with China NOT being one of them. China moved troops to the border, just to prevent Indian Army being directly sent to what was then East Pakistan, and China failed in that effort.

As Bangladesh stands today it is still China’s friend, isn’t it?

China enjoys good relations with Banladesh is a separate issue. LOL. Dont try to mix the two to obfuscate the issue.

Military serves only an extension of politics. Your imperialistic desire, a reflection of your bad politics, of attacking Bangladesh will surely meet blowing resistance even if Bangladesh is weaker.

Yeah, please leave the jingoistic hyperbole out of this.
Talking about Imperialistic ambitions? China has consistently displayed imperalistic ambitions since 1947, constantly demanding more and more land, laying claim to more sea area and has shown a consistent attitude of war mongering.

Truly hope GoI will learn a lesson or two to ameliorate its relationship with its neighboring countries.

Im sure they are already learning. Thats why we now have an increasingly warm and friendly Bangladesh and an increasingly mellow Pakistan.

Soviet was Russia in the core. Amazing you can deny that.

Soviet was Russia in the core or not. I dont give a damn. The equipment and technology that they sold to India is documented, and so is how they were paid for. Look things up if you want. Like i said, while they may have troubled China, relations with India were of on a qualitatively different level.

Sorry to disappoint you, I’m fortunate to possess the capability that allows me to gather information from West as well as from East without much language barriers, and to think independently without being bound ideologically. Keep indulging in your own imagination or following your homemade propagandas as you wish.

No actually, you seem to be the actual mouthpiece of CPC's version of history as it has occurred.

You might have the capability to gather information from West as well as Eastern sources, but in so far you have not displayed any use of that claimed capability

BTW, if you feel still compelled to talk 71, please open another thread.

Same to you. You actually seem to be replying selectively to my posts. Do try to reply to each and every point of mine. Waiting for your reply.

[messenger]

Originally Posted by Squallmao

So all of the sudden, you claim those weapons were made in China? or even supplied by China? Where did u get this info? or just made it up?

This is a cheap shot, u know?

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there are so many more ..........

[Sambha]

Originally Posted by Squallmao

It's not a surprise that someone from India don't understand this "friendship", just because India never had this kind of "friendship".

I hope one day India will have a taste of some real "friendship"

Pakistan ceded you a part of paradise called Kashmir in 1963.

What Pak got in return?

China didn't help them in 65.
China didn't help them in 71.
China didn't help them in 99.
China didn't help them with the loan they wanted a few weeks back..forcing them to the usurper IMF.

Friendship is supposed to be 2 sided, even for China.

[Sambha]

Originally Posted by Squallmao

So all of the sudden, you claim those weapons were made in China? or even supplied by China? Where did u get this info? or just made it up?

This is a cheap shot, u know?

All weapons used in recent mass killings in Africa (Somalia, Sudan,Zimbabwe etc) were directly supplied by the Chinese Govt. Learn how to use Google.

China is supplying arms to Iran too, it's on record.

[zombie]

All of china's puppets know they are there only to serve a purpose. North Korea, Pakistan.

When was the last time a puppet decided what the master should do? There is absolutely nothing wrong with China did if it didnt enter those earlier wars. Entering them would have shown a weakness on their part.

Was there a reason US didnt enter the war for Georgia?

China will enter a war of its choosing and not when its puppets want it to. Thats what Sun Tzu would have done and thats what the chinese would do.

[Sambha]

Originally Posted by zombie

All of china's puppets know they are there only to serve a purpose. North Korea, Pakistan.

Actually Pakistan is not a Chinese puppet, yet.

North Korea, Myanmar, Sudan, Zimbabwe, Somalia and a few others are.

[IceCold]

Originally Posted by zombie

All of china's puppets know they are there only to serve a purpose. North Korea, Pakistan.

What the fuk are you smoking today? Its better if you keep that kind of **** for BR. This is not the place for such kind of trash. And by the way you worry about your American masters first and let us worry about China. Good day.

[IceCold]

Originally Posted by Sambha

Militants in Pakistan often use Chinese made heavy weapons and mines to attack Pakistani army; and probably lot of their light weaponry originated in China too.

But how this is helping Pakistan you won't understand, beyond your norms.

Militants were also using rockets used by the Indian army, an attack carried out on the Srilankan team.

[Sambha]

Originally Posted by IceCold

Militants were also using rockets used by the Indian army, an attack carried out on the Srilankan team.

Since when Zaid Hamid has become a 'reliable source' worth citing?

Any other reliable sources that say so?