News for Mirage-2000 upgrade

[Gabbar]

They are being upgraded to Mirage-9000 level right? (UAE has them)
If yes can anybody find specs on that AC and on current IAF Mirages?

[Gucci Juice]

those who say mirage 2000 upgrade is no good...

with that upgrade it will get rafael systems although they wont be 100% as capable at rafael due to the single engine factor they should be pretty good and with that new radar, avionics, ew systems, and rewiring everything, and possibly a new engine it could be comparable to the f-16 block 52.

i mean it costs 40 million a piece to upgrade that's very expensive so some state of the art systems MUST be on there.

and its stupid to replace it with mrca, the m2k is a good a/c that's very proven and with this upgrade it should be on par with j-10b/f-16 blk 50.

i know people will argue j-10b is better blah blah blah but m2k is more reliable, has better electronics, and has been proven only thing j-10 has on it is better performance.

[ouiouiouiouiouioui]

They are being upgraded to Mirage-9000 level right? (UAE has them)
If yes can anybody find specs on that AC and on current IAF Mirages?

check this out

[ouiouiouiouiouioui]

more on mirage

Dassault Mirage 2000

[notting hill]

Originally Posted by Gabbar

They are being upgraded to Mirage-9000 level right? (UAE has them)
If yes can anybody find specs on that AC and on current IAF Mirages?

hi gabbar ,one thing is for sure that the present mirages are going to be upgraded to Dash-5 standard i.e mirage 2000-5 .Dassault aviation came up with an even better version of dash 5 called mirage 2000-5MK2 which is the most superior mirage till date .. UAE has MIRAGE 2000-9 which is an export version of MK2... whether IAF is going fr dash 5 or dash 9 will have to wait and see till the deal is inked..

[ouiouiouiouiouioui]

They are being upgraded to Mirage-9000 level right? (UAE has them)
If yes can anybody find specs on that AC and on current IAF Mirages?

finally as required the specs for Mirage 2000-9

Dassault Aviation

[Gabbar]

Mirages are the favourite AC or IAF, probably after SU30-MKI. IAF holds these AC with very high regards and there has to be very good reason behing that kind of price. There has to be reason.........otherwise it does not add up. We are missing something here.

[ouiouiouiouiouioui]

i think the above link i posted is not taking it to the correct place..however i have the file with me now...however it is difficuilt to attach a file... i will try on this

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does anybody know how to attach a pdf or word file....it it possible... i have the mirage 2000-9 specs

[sancho]

Originally Posted by ouiouiouiouiouioui

advantages for upgradtion :

longer range detection across the spectrum, improved tactical situation awareness, longer range weapon firing against multiple simultaneous targets, weapon stealth and extended operating envelope with the capability to engage ground targets while countering airborne threats

typical border protection mission involving two hours on station will require just two upgraded Mirage-2000 aircraft compared with six current aircraft,"

Longer range detection than LCA MK2 with Elta 2052 AESA?
Longer range weapon firing? Mica around 60 Km range, Astra 80 Km, R77 100+ Km.
No idea what exactly makes that upgrade so expensive though it offers not so much of latest techs?

Originally Posted by Gucci Juice

those who say mirage 2000 upgrade is no good...
with that upgrade it will get rafael systems

What systems should that be? No RBE 2 AESA, I also don't heard about Spectra EWS, or OSF for Mirage. I think the only similarity will be on weapon side (Mica, Exocet, maybe AASM), but except of AASM there is nothing IAF would need badly.
Please don't forget we are only talking about ~50 aircrafts! It will be way better just to add 50 more to LCA MK2, or MMRCA, as to keep another totally different type of aircraft (with different radar, engine and spares) in the AF.

[ouiouiouiouiouioui]

think the above link i posted is not taking it to the correct place..however i have the file with me now...however it is difficuilt to attach a file... i will try on this

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does anybody know how to attach a pdf or word file....it it possible... i have the mirage 2000-9 specs

check the mirage 2000-9 specs i have uploaded in the below link

Mirage_2000-9_specs.pdf

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sancho sir
pls check above link i posted it contains the whole 2000-9 specs...and thats why it is costly

[Jako]

But 40million for only upgrade(not a new one,remind you) is just too much!!!.....we can have a good 4th gen brand new fighter for that price

[paritosh]

I think it is very important that India goes ahead with this deal...for two reason..
a)the mirage is one of the most capable a/c with the IAF...and the pilots have mastered this plane....and the upgrade sounds pretty cool....ouiouioui...you sure about the AESA?
b)the recent move by the USA to block the nuclear sale at the G8 summit and the french supporting us by offering to go by the NSG waiver should be appreciated.We should return all the american reactors and deal with the french in the future as France and Russia are the two countries who are competing for the slice of the 160billion$ indian nuclear market without problems.

[notting hill]

Gabbar to answer your query why india might be interested in such an expensive upgradation.The answer could have three or more reasons.

One reason is that traditionally, mirage 2000 is known as a dream machine for the pilots who have flown it and therefore was the reason why IAF wanted to go for mirage dash 5 in MRCA. The ease of upgradation and familiarity with the aircraft goes a long way in convincing an air force to keep up with the aircraft in the same way pakistanis have done with their F-16s .

Over the years Mirage 2000 has been compared to F-16 for various defence purchases and in some aspects has been considered superior.The comparion to f-16 was made in the same way as was made with mig-29. There has always been a dogfight among these 3 awesome fighting machines. With JF-17 acquisition and F-16 upgradation in progress it makes sense for IAF to go in for upgradation and keep a dedicated strike force to keep a tab on pakistani acquisition.

The Mirage 2000-5 Mk.2s ECM system is touted as being able to jam the SA-10/SA-11/SA-15/SA-20 as well as the AIM-120 (we'll have to find out one day ). Even the ICMS Mk.II on the Mirage 2000-5 should be more then able to handle most Pakistan ground and most airbased radars. The Mirage 2000 (which india has currently) don't have the same ECM systems. If they shell out more money they could fit the IMEWS which offers a SEAD capability of sorts. If India throws out money the M-53 PX3 is around which boosts thrust by 15 percent, just needs some funding.

Pakistan could be put over the hump as it is rather doubtful they would ever be cleared for the JDAM, JASSM or any of the new "J" weapons. I could see them getting AIM-120s, GBUs, LDPs and such but nothing overly offensive like the AGM-88. I don't know if they would get cleared for the AIM-9X either. No idea on the ECM suite they will be cleared for either.

India would have a fleet numbers edge with their 45 Mirage 2000 and 126 F-18/RAFAEL/EUROFIGHTER. If all mirages are brought to the Mirage 2000-5 Mk.2 (173ish) model that would give them one of the most powerful M2K fleet around. Pakistan should get up to 60-70 (number being thrown around but could be less) F-16C/D Block 52s and still have the 28 F-16A/B B-15s (which couldbe brought up to MLU). That's a sizeable edge in the numbers. Those numbers give them an edge in deployment.

The Mirage 2000-5 Mk.2 costs a lot more and Pakistan will more then likely get their F-16s for free. Niether nation has the pilot market cornered. And the planes have differences that each side would try and exploit. But being the attcker would be both good and bad, good because they know when they are to attack and bad because some would more then likely have bombs. Granted with 5-6 MICA EM/IRs a Mirage 2000-5 Mk.2 could quickly turn and engage the enemy. Fighting would be rather close.

Granted I could not see Indian pilots wanting to fly low due to the fact Pakistan lacks decent high alt SAMs but has scores of MANPADs. The bigger investment in guided weapons shows they do want to stay out of range of MANPADs and "trashfire". The HQ-2 (SA-2) would be easily jammed by the ICMS Mk.II

[ouiouiouiouiouioui]

well mig29 said in his post that it is AESA,
i presume it will be RDY-3 to be best, somebody correct me on this, however any spec or info is welcome

[sancho]

Originally Posted by ouiouiouiouiouioui

well mig29 said in his post that it is AESA,
i presume it will be RDY-3 to be best, somebody correct me on this, however any spec or info is welcome

This confirms RDY-3 too:

The package includes RDY3 radar, inertia navigation, new onboard MPDU computer, a new ICMS Mark 4 electronic warfare suite, and a glass cockpit, a company spokeswoman said.

The initial operating capability will include the firing the Mica missile, in the infrared and electromagnetic versions.

Thales Set for Price Talks on Mirage 2000 Upgrade - Aero India - 2009

RDY radar details:

RDY-3 - airborne fire control radar