Ok so a hindu radical group is behind all this? and framed Pakistan ???
By Khalid Hasan
WASHINGTON: A panel of experts interviewed by CNN appeared to all but rule out the possibility of Pakistani involvement in the Mumbai attacks.
One of the experts, John McLaughlin, a former number two at CIA, said that his experience with Indian intelligence services was that they were very good individually but they do not talk to each other as much as they should. It is possible that they had information about the likelihood of a terrorist attack but that information did not get fully circulated within the Indian system. That, he added, would be what his experience would suggest. Frances Townsend, who served as a senior official for National Security in the Bush White House, said Indian authorities were in receipt of many threats and this could well have been one of them.
Peter Bergen, CNN expert on terrorism, said if the Mumbai attacks were found to have linkages with ‘rogue’ elements in the Pakistani military intelligence agency, that would ‘change the game’. He recalled that India had accused Pakistani agencies of being behind the attack on the Indian embassy in Kabul and if similar involvement of such elements was discovered, that would be “very provocative as far as India is concerned”.
McLaughlin, in answer to a question about Pakistan pulling back troops from its border with Afghanistan to deploy them on its eastern border with India, said “we should be most concerned. If I were looking for an Al Qaeda hand in this, this may be giving them too much credit for strategic thinking. I would see that Al Qaeda would encourage Lashkar-i-Toiba or some other group to do this precisely to achieve that outcome because al Qaeda has the sanctuary up there along that border. It is under some pressure both from the United States and Pakistan. This will be one way to relieve that pressure.”
Monday, December 01, 2008
ISLAMABAD: India has failed to protect Indians. This tragic failure is actually the result of two subsidiary failures: one at the political level and the other at the intelligence level. At the political level, Indian politicians, hungry for votes, have often managed to stall or even halt anti-militant campaigns undertaken by India’s security apparatus. At the intelligence level, India’s massive intelligence failure is more to do with its almost complete focus on Pakistan-based militant groups at the cost of ignoring India’s indigenous militant infrastructure. And, consequently, that indigenous militant infrastructure has actually spread throughout India like wildfire over the past decade. According to the South Asia Terrorism Portal, of the 608 Indian districts at least 231 districts are “currently afflicted, at differing intensities, by various insurgent and terrorist movements.” Imagine! That’s nearly 40 percent of the entire country.
Sonia Gandhi’s Indian National Congress is in a terrible bind. Mizoram, that shares land borders with the volatile states of Assam, Tripura and Manipur, goes to polls on December 2. On December 4, India’s largest state by area Rajasthan goes to polls. Then there are general elections to the 15th Lok Sabha by May 2009. If India’s ruling party admits that the Mumbai attacks were undertaken by home-grown militant entities, then such an admittance amounts to failure in governance and that could easily translate into election defeats both in state and general elections. In that sense, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh is left with no political alternative but to blame the attacks on an outside force. And Pakistan is the best, the most convenient and the easiest of all targets. This terrible political bind means that the final finger pointing shall be based purely on political considerations rather than scientific forensics.
India’s intelligence has identified at least 36 terrorist organizations — including the United Liberation Front of Assam, the National Democratic Front of Bodoland, the United People’s Democratic Solidarity, the Kamtapur Liberation Organization, the Bodo Liberation Tiger Force, the Muslim United Liberation Tigers of Assam, the Muslim United Liberation Front of Assam, the Islamic Liberation Army of Assam, the Adam Sena and the Harkat-ul-Mujahideen — in Assam alone. Manipur has at least 39 known terrorist organisations — including the United Liberation Front, the People’s Liberation Army, the People’s Revolutionary Party of Kangleipak, the Kuki National Front, the Kuki Nation Army, the Islamic National Front, the Islamic Revolutionary Front and the United Islamic Revolutionary Army. Nagaland has the National Socialist Council of Nagaland and the Naga National Council. The Punjab has the Babbar Khalsa International, the Khalistan Zindabad Force, the International Sikh Youth Federation, the Khalistan Commando Force, the Khalistan Liberation Army, the Khalistan Liberation Front and the Khalistan National Army. Tripura has some three dozen active terrorist groups, including the National Liberation Front of Tripura, the All Tripura Tiger Force, the Untied Bengali Liberation Front, the Tripura Defence Force, the Tribal Commando Force, the National Militia of Tripura and the Socialist Democratic Front of Tripura. Besides, there are left-wing extremist groups, including the Communist Party of India-Maoist, the People’s War Group, the Maoist Communist Centre, the People’s Guerrilla Army and the Tritiya Prastuti Committee.
India should be looking at the Students Islamic Movement of India (SIMI). This indigenous movement was formed in 1977 and was not banned by the Indian government until 2002. The SIMI had taken direct responsibility of a series of 21 synchronized blasts within a short time span of 70 minutes known as the 2008 Ahmedabad bombing. It had also accepted responsibility for the 2008 Jaipur bombings, nine synchronized bomb blasts within 15 minutes. On 13 September 2008, Delhi was shook by 5 synchronized bomb blasts, and the SIMI had accepted responsibility.
India has a long history of terrorist related fatalities. In the first 11 months of 2008, a total of 2,235 Indians have died in Delhi, Assam, Gujarat, Maharashtra, Manipur, Mizoram, Nagaland, Rajasthan and Tripura in terrorist events. In 2007, terrorist-related death count stood at 2,598 — a year before than terrorist-related death count was 2,765. Amazingly, data for the 1994-2005 puts India’s terrorist related fatalities at 47,371.
India should also be looking at the long history of bomb blasts centred on Mumbai, the financial capital. Here are the 7 major ones: 12 March 1993, a total of 13 bombs, 257 killed. 6 December 2002, the Ghatkopar bus blast. 27 January 2003, the Vile Parle bicycle bomb blast. 14 March 2003, the Mulund train blast. 25 August 2003, bomb blasts at the Gateway of India. 11 July 2006, seven bomb blast in trains killing 209.
At least, half of India’s landmass has been afflicted with long-term, home-grown terrorism; Central India with Naxalite militancy and the Seven Sister States of Assam, Arunachal Pradesh, Meghalaya, Manipur, Mizoram, Nagaland and Tripura with separatist-related terrorism. Left-wing extremist Indians are killing Indians. Separatist Indians are killing Indians. Indians are being killed by Indians and RAW has its eyes and ears focused on Pakistan-based militant entities. It’s time that RAW diverts attention inwards.
India is too afraid to admit failure but India’s politico-intelligence infrastructure has failed to protect Indians. The Union government now has a strong political interest in creating another border crisis — all this when the US has no government.
Aryn Baker – Mon Dec 1, 2008
Indian accusations of a Pakistani hand in last week's Mumbai massacre couldn't have come at a worse time for the government in Islamabad: As a Taliban insurgency continues to simmer in the tribal areas along the Afghan border, clashes on Sunday between rival political groups in the southern metropolis of Karachi killed 13 people and wounded 70. The country is on the verge of economic collapse, its desperate pleas for financial assistance from China and Saudi Arabia last month having been rebuffed, forcing Pakistan to accept loans from the International Monetary Fund - but those loans come with stern conditions limiting government spending, the implementation of which will risk inflaming further unrest. A suspected U.S. predator drone attack in the tribal areas on Saturday - one of dozens in recent months - has further alienated a population already suspicious of U.S. interference. Hardly surprising, then, that Pakistani leaders have reacted with alarm to politicians and the media in India pointing a finger at Pakistan-based terror groups over the Mumbai attack. Some foreign investigators have made similar claims, although not in any official capacity.
Most Pakistanis reacted with horror to news of the Mumbai killing spree starting Wednesday, having lived through equally devastating attacks on their own soil. But that initial sympathy quickly gave way to hostility as the focus of blame landed on Pakistan - a knee-jerk first reaction, rather than one based on any solid evidence. "It is a tragic incident, and we also felt bad about it as Pakistan is going through the same problem," says Abdur Rashid, a 67-year-old retired government servant in Rawalpindi, near Islamabad. "But it was really unfortunate to see that even before the operation [to clear out the attackers] was finished, the Indian government stated that Pakistan is involved. It sounds that the entire incident was concocted to punish Pakistan." See images of Mumbai after the siege
On Sunday, Indian media began reporting that the only attacker captured alive, a Versace-T-shirted 21-year-old by the name of Ajmal Amir Kamal, was Pakistani, and that he had identified all his fellow militants as being trained by the banned Pakistan-based militant group Lashkar-e-Toiba. Pakistanis are suspicious of these claims. "There is simply not enough evidence at this point to blame Pakistan," says Najam Sethi, editor of the English political weekly, the Friday Times. "No statement made under duress can be counted as 100% fact, and you can imagine the conditions under which this confession was made."
However, Sethi adds, "the Pakistan connection certainly can't be ruled out. These attackers were not hijackers negotiating with hostages. They knew they were on a suicide mission, and you can certainly find a lot of suicide bombers in the tribal areas." At the same time, the attackers clearly had a local connection, he argues, because out-of-towners could have had the intimate knowledge of the layout of Mumbai and of the targets to have caused so much carnage.
Amir Rana, an expert on Pakistani terrorist groups with the Pakistan Institute of Peace Studies, says he has heard some troubling reports, but says that no accusations should be leveled before a thorough investigation is completed. He cites several recent terrorist attacks in India that were initially blamed on Pakistan, only to have investigations later reveal that the perpetrators were aggrieved Indian Muslims, and in at least one case, Hindu extremists. Early accusations such as these, he worries, may only impede the close cooperation between the two countries necessary to resolve the issue.
"What we may actually be seeing here is an incident of transnational terrorism," he says. "The ideology is shared across borders, from Pakistan to India to Bangladesh." Terrorists these days are just as likely to meet in Dubai to discuss logistics, or in Katmandu to plan strategies. Training can take place not only in the ungoverned tribal areas of Pakistan, but also in Bangladesh, which also faces a mounting challenge from Islamic extremism. Weapons, distributed by a network of arms dealers that supply Sri Lanka's Tamil Tigers, Indian separatists groups and even Nepal's Maoists, are in easy reach. Neither the weapons, nor the tactics, of the Mumbai attackers point to any one country, says Rana. "For these kinds of attacks there is no need for training camps. There were no heavy weapons or guerilla tactics. The kind of training they needed could have been done in a single room."
Both Rana and Sethi agree that the Indian accusations are more likely to be driven less by evidence than by political imperatives. India is to hold elections in the coming months, and the ruling Congress party has taken a beating over the attacks - rival parties are saying the government was poorly prepared and had not cracked down hard enough on previous terrorist activities. "Elections are coming," says Rana, "So there are internal pressures to blame someone, and to show that it is not the government's fault. Pakistan is the obvious scapegoat."
The scapegoating of Pakistan may backfire, Sethi fears. Up until now, Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari has taken a keen interest in normalizing relations between the two countries, at great risk to his own standing. India and Pakistan are closer now to an enduring peace than at any point in their 61-year history together. "If anything happens, if India moves troops to the border, or threatens an attack, it could destabilize his government and derail everything," says Sethi.
Still, he hopes that calmer heads prevail, and that the Indian government response is little more than posturing, unlike in 2001 when a December attack on the Indian parliament was attributed to Pakistan, and the two nuclear-armed countries nearly went to war. India's Prime Minister Manmohan Singh has threatened to send Indian troops to the border with Pakistan if solid evidence emerges of Pakistani involvement. In that case, Pakistan would be required to move its own troops from the border with Afghanistan, where they are making headway in the fight against al-Qaeda and Taliban-linked militants, to the Indian frontier. "That would play into the hands of these terrorists," says Sethi. "If Pakistan and India start fighting, then the whole focus on the war on terror would be lost, and those militant groups would succeed. That would be tragic."
Asim Javeid, a 23-year-old student in Rawalpindi, agrees. "The Mumbai attack shows that terrorism is a common threat to both India and Pakistan. Unless both countries join hands and take measures to combat terrorism, we will not be able to defeat this curse."
1 Dec 2008
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The White House on Monday said the investigation into the India attacks was continuing but it had heard nothing to suggest that Pakistan's government was involved.
"I've heard nothing that says that the Pakistani government was involved," White House spokeswoman Dana Perino said. She said Pakistani officials have pledged to work with the Indian government to find out who was behind the attack.
"We have been encouraged by the statements by the Pakistanis that they are committed to following this wherever it leads. We would expect nothing less of them on this instance," she said.
She added that the United States would hold Pakistan to its commitment to cooperate with the investigation.
At President George W. Bush's request, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice will travel to New Delhi on Wednesday to show support for India as it tries to determine the motives for the attacks which killed 183 people and injured scores more.
Perino declined to comment on assertions by Indian investigators that the gunmen responsible for the attacks trained in Pakistan for months but she said that the United States wanted to help reduce tensions between the two countries.
She also declined comment when asked whether Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) security agency could have played a role.
Rice spoke to Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari and Bush's national security adviser Stephen Hadley talked to his Pakistani counterpart and "both said they would continue to work with the Indian government to try to find out where this started," Perino said.
1 Dec 2008
THE murderous terrorist attacks in Mumbai, India, are shocking for their carnage, coldblooded preparation and the desire to link them to elements outside the country, which means Pakistan. No easy assumptions hold up.
Puget Sound shares a kinship with the region through our neighbors. friends and co-workers. Feelings of grief, concern and fearful puzzlement are broadly shared.
Identifying the attackers might begin with a satellite phone and a global positioning map found aboard a drifting trawler. The Times of India reported the crew was missing and the crew leader was found dead with his throat slit.
The use of high-tech tools would add a bloody twist to the coordinated waterborne attacks on at least 10 locations, including two luxury hotels. A city of 18 million, Mumbai is South Asia's financial center. Some believe vaguely described Muslim militants targeted the city's Colaba district for its modernity and prosperity.
Police and army commandos were battling terrorists and working to rescue hostages at week's end. The bloody tenacity of the attackers created two insistent lines of suspicion.
One holds the assaults were too sophisticated to be homegrown. Money and training had to come from elsewhere. Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and Pakistan President Asif Ali Zardari scheduled talks to discuss what Singh described as "well-planned and well-orchestrated attacks, probably with external linkages ... "
Another view is meant to serve as a spark suppressor: The attacks betrayed knowledge of Mumbai's financial district and an ease of movement that argues for terrorists from inside the country. The subtext here is emotions and political heat could ignite a conflagration. India and Pakistan have repeatedly shed blood over the disputed province of Kashmir. Both have nuclear arms.
Feelings are raw in the shocked aftermath, and subject to exploitation. The Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party blames the attacks on the ruling Congress party for eroding terrorist legislation pushed by the opposition BJP.
Rounding up the usual suspects is further complicated by a bloody history of civilian attacks in Mumbai and across India. An unknown Islamic group, Deccan Mujahedin is claiming credit for the slaughter that began Wednesday. Another group with blood on its hands has said it was not responsible. Yet another group attacked India's parliament in 2001. The bloodiest assault in Mumbai dates to 1993 when a criminal syndicate killed 257 people.
The United States is treading softly, volunteering to send investigators to help piece the puzzle together, but the offer is being carefully handled so as not to offend Pakistan. The U.S., which recently signed a nuclear accord with India, has its hands full in Afghanistan and along the border it shares with Pakistan.
There is a strong possibility that the encounter specialist Vijay Salesker was killed by the Indian Mafia as a revenge. Same can be said about ATS chief.
Both of these guys were on the hit list and both died in the same attack (Metro Cinema attack).
Indians should look at all things from a neutral point of view to understand the entire incident.
President George Bush's administration said that in the continuing investigation, it had not found evidence suggesting involvement by the Pakistani government and White House spokeswoman Dana Perino would not comment on any possible involvement.
Perino said that Pakistan pledge to work with India on the investigation.
"We have been encouraged by the statements by the Pakistanis that they are committed to following this wherever it leads. We would expect nothing less of them on this instance," Perino said, according to Reuters.
Pakistan denied involvement by any of its state agencies in the attacks and called them a "barbaric act of terrorism," according to Reuters.
Pakistani Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani called leaders to a conference on Tuesday to discuss relations with India after the attacks, Gilani's spokesman Zahid Bashir said on Monday.
1 Dec 2008
MUMBAI: Sources in the joint Mumbai Police-Intelligence Bureau investigation team, probing last week’s terror attack, said efforts to harvest further evidence through exploring the Lashkar’s possible local infrastructure have so far yielded little.
Police were investigating the possible role of a Mumbai smuggling syndicate run by city resident Ali Mohammad Sheikh. Investigators had explored the possibility that Sheikh may have been involved in facilitating the landing of the 10 fidayeen on Mumbai’s coast and the providing local infrastructure needed for target reconnaissance.
However, police sources said, both source reports and Kamaal’s interrogation suggested that no local Lashkar supporters were involved in the execution of Wednesday’s terror attack.
Police sources also said there was no substance in reports that the terrorists had communicated with their command headquarters in Pakistan using mobile phones.
Reports that Lashkar operatives had checked into one or more hotels prior to the attacks, and rented accommodation in Mumbai’s Coloba area remain unsubstantiated.
FBI team in fracas
A Federal Bureau of Investigations (FBI) team, which flew in from the U.S., was briefly detained at the Chattrapati Shivaji International Airport here, after Customs officials refused to allow forensics equipment on board their aircraft on Indian soil.
India had granted permission to the FBI to examine the sites involved in the fidayeen attack, since U.S. nationals were also targeted.
Kept in the dark
However, government sources said, the team arrived here without providing prior lists of personnel and the specialised forensic equipment they were carrying.
“Since Customs officials in Mumbai had no idea what the FBI team was carrying,” a New Delhi-based Ministry of Home Affairs official in New Delhi said, “they naturally asked for an explanation”.
Indian media trying to change version of story already told. For the last 3 days they were saying that terrorist were in continuous contact with Pakistan based mastermind "Rehman Chacha" via satellite phones and now suddenly their "Chacha" has disappeared.
Also they are hindering FBI to conduct investigation. Are they afraid of something ? Was it a reason to detain FBI personnel that they didn't provided list of investigation equipments they brought with them prior to their arrival ?
Some one is really scared that manufactured proofs will get exposed, that's why there is a worry that what "Kind" of equipment is being brought for investigation.
If we were afraid of something we wouldnt have invited FBI in first place.....Also they are hindering FBI to conduct investigation. Are they afraid of something ? Was it a reason to detain FBI personnel that they didn't provided list of investigation equipments they brought with them prior to their arrival ?
Some one is really scared that manufactured proofs will get exposed, that's why there is a worry that what "Kind" of equipment is being brought for investigation.
Conspiracy theories are k, but one must use his/her brain first........
Mumbai gets attacked and innocent lives are lost. In order to lessen insult of intelligence failure, Pakistan is blamed by Indian media and GOI. Within 3 hours of attack, media starts blaming Pakistan, doesn't bother to wait for operation to get finished and investigations to get completed. FBI team arrives and start their investigations. US says that we have no evidence so far against Pakistan and our teams are in Mumbai yet. US denies to comment about ISI's involvement. International media stresses India to look for other theories as well but it seems "political suicide" for GOI to confess intelligence and security failure (even they had so called prior information) and finally...
MUMBAI: Investigators probing last week’s massacre in Mumbai have reached a point where little progress can now be made unless Pakistan arrests key suspects based in that country, police and intelligence officials have told The Hindu.
India has so far assembled several pieces of evidence that link the Mumbai fidayeen attack to Lashkar-e-Taiba commanders based in Muridke near Lahore in Pakistan.
Pak security agencies, media search for Mumbai terrorist's native village
Security agencies and the media in Pakistan are on a frenzied search to locate Faridkot, the native village of the lone surviving gunman involved in the Mumbai terror attack and currently in custody of Indian security agencies, according to reports in the Pakistani media.
Soon after the Indian media reported that the captured Lashkar-e-Toiba terrorist Azam Amir Kasav, also known as Mohammad Ajmal Mohammed Amin Kasab, belongs to Faridkot in Punjab province of Pakistan, intelligence officials launched investigations to find the arrested Mumbai terrorist's place of origin out of at least three villages with identical name of Faridkot in Okara, Pakpattan and Khanewal districts. But, the agencies are yet to identify the village to which the 21-year-old terrorist belongs, says a report in the Dawn newspaper.
Faridkot in Khanewal, also known as Chak No 90/10-R, is a hamlet, some 40 miles from Multan and has a population of roughly 5,000. This village has one primary school and two mosques — one managed by the Barelvis and the other by Shia sect. The villagers said that four of locals shared the common name 'Ajmal' but no one had surname 'Kasab' attached to their name.
According to the newspaper, the Khanewal police raided Faridkot twice over the past two days to gather details about the alleged terrorist.
“We thoroughly checked the village records when the Indian media started saying someone from this village was involved in the Mumbai attack. The hype is misplaced,” district police officer Kamran Khan was quoted as having said. The police, he clarified, had done the checking on their own, without any instruction from the government.
Another village named Faridkot is near Pakpattan. It has a population of 2,000 and most of them are farmers. Locals said they did not know anyone by the name of Ajmal, and no one from the village has links with ****** or other banned outfits, according to a report on BBC Urdu online.
But, intelligence agencies in Pakistan are now focussing on another Faridkot, a remote village in Okara district, after emergence of another revelation by the arrested terrorist's interrogation that his native place falls in Deepalpur tehsil.
One of the 10 heavily armed terrorists who wreaked havoc in Mumbai for 60 hours, Kasab has emerged as the vital link for investigators to crack terror plot and expose its Pakistan connection.
Now what if link is not found to be true, India will keep on blaming that Pakistan is not making sincere efforts without escalating matters and Pakistan will keep on denying any involvement. A perfect example of how Congress is trying to avoid "political suicide" in up coming elections.
Relations will become normal with the passage of time and everyone will get busy for next year elections. Don't forget BJP is already trying to cash this issue politically.
Last edited by dr.umer; 12-02-2008 at 01:14 AM.
I am sorry. Did i hear u correctly?Relations will become normal with the passage of time and everyone will get busy for next year elections. Don't forget BJP is already trying to cash this issue politically.
Things are only going to change now..... This is not a ***-pat attack anyone can forget......U have to come and see in INDIA, wats goin on these days.........
I dont see this storm slowing down, it will increase only, and i hope it do.......
And about coming back to normal......Not until convicts are hanged.......
Also it is a real good idea to produce that arrested terrorist on "TV" and interview him. Indian government can hang him if this brings peace to the hearts and minds of public.
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