India orders Army back from attack posts on Pak border?

[Icarus]

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Yes, I am. And you know what? That means I have paid my dues. I have contributed to the defence of my country. There are pilots flying today who wouldn't have made it without the work we did. India's flagship space rocket works on a mission computer programmed by our team. The Navy teaches its Fleet Air Arm pilots to fly choppers in simulators we made. We acquired glass cockpit technology to be able to help implement it, to support the porting effort, on the SU30MKI.

So I have, I think, earned the right to talk.

And I am willing to listen to anybody else who has contributed. Not to chairborne warriors who kill with their tongues and their typing fingers.

It would seem that we are the only yahoos here who understand the value of good old fashion peace and tranquillity, these boys haven't spent their finest days under a cloud of smoke from high explosives and watching their colleagues being ripped to shreds by enemy shells. It is soldiers like us that have seen the unnecessary loss of life and most ardently desire peace. While our keyboard warriors enjoy at the expense of our lives and that of our colleagues.
Lets hope that these people learn with age, otherwise peace in my lifetime looks uncertain.

[King Solomon]

It would seem that we are the only yahoos here who understand the value of good old fashion peace and tranquillity, these boys haven't spent their finest days under a cloud of smoke from high explosives and watching their colleagues being ripped to shreds by enemy shells. It is soldiers like us that have seen the unnecessary loss of life and most ardently desire peace. While our keyboard warriors enjoy at the expense of our lives and that of our colleagues.
Lets hope that these people learn with age, otherwise peace in my lifetime looks uncertain.

Of course human life is important. But withdrawing soliers from a strategic point?

The Indian base at Sachen was aimed to target the road links from pakistan to china. I am not taking anyboy's sides here but just talking from a strategic point of view.

[Icarus]

Of course human life is important. But withdrawing soliers from a strategic point?

The Indian base at Sachen was aimed to target the road links from pakistan to china. I am not taking anyboy's sides here but just talking from a strategic point of view.

Indeed it is, however, it is very difficult for troops to survive there. A central observer committee would be a much wiser option. The observers will oversee that neither side indulge in any sort of misadventure.

[Areesh]

Of course human life is important. But withdrawing soliers from a strategic point?

The Indian base at Sachen was aimed to target the road links from pakistan to china. I am not taking anyboy's sides here but just talking from a strategic point of view.

And the funny part is they can not target our road link with China from Siachen.

MoD has clarified that there is now withdrawal and its fiction by that tribune paper.

What are we discussing here.

The thread should be locked and be dumped into some place deep in arabian sea.

Which is by the way most favorite news paper of Indians on this forum.

[TOPGUN]

These are good moves by both nations... hopefully these moves will lead to friendship,peace and trade and the ones that hate on news like this its you who needs serious mental help seek a doc near you ASAP.

[King Solomon]

Indeed it is, however, it is very difficult for troops to survive there. A central observer committee would be a much wiser option. The observers will oversee that neither side indulge in any sort of misadventure.

Actually, the intention of the Sachen operation was itself a quest for "misadventure". How can you expect India to forgo the opportunity? I can give you 95% assurance that India will not withdraw even if they have to spend exorbitant sums of moneybecause this is a question of strategic advantage.

And the funny part is they can not target our road link with China from Siachen.

They can advance at the slightest opportunity and capture the other strategic peaks. I forgot their name I read in an indian publication, maybe C-2 mountain or something which overlooks the roads connecting china -pakistan

[blain2]

We should not do it.... never trust Pakistani politician they don't have clue about Pakistani Military or ISI Plans.... Again if there is something we need to spend millions to redeploy them...

We should move all our strike force close to borders if we are going to back to peace time..... We should keep Ample of ammunition if there is need it should last for atleast 7 days....

Shaitan sahib,

Mobilization costs money. Ammunition moved out of storage has only limited life. All these things start taking a toll and this does not include the impact on the morale of troops stationed at these posts, away from family, with very limited leave and in temporary accommodations which limit training and all of the other activities that a typical unit goes through. At the end of the day, its not some goodwill that is leading to this decision, rather the practicality of maintaining a very expensive deployment with extremely limited return on the investment.

Armies are mobile for this exact reason so they can be mobilized and then sent back to peace time locations.

[Areesh]

They can advance at the slightest opportunity and capture the other strategic peaks. I forgot their name I read in an indian publication, maybe C-2 mountain or something which overlooks the roads connecting china -pakistan

Siachen is far away from Karakorum Highway. It is nearly an impossible task for Bharatis to come down and advance further to show any threat to Karakorum Highway. Pakistanis have made all the necessary important measures to counter any such move. Also the terrain of that region is extremely difficult negating any chances of such offense. Crossing Baltoro glacier(if they somehow get there) would be like hell for Bharatis.

[H1ndustaN1]

It would seem that we are the only yahoos here who understand the value of good old fashion peace and tranquillity, these boys haven't spent their finest days under a cloud of smoke from high explosives and watching their colleagues being ripped to shreds by enemy shells. It is soldiers like us that have seen the unnecessary loss of life and most ardently desire peace. While our keyboard warriors enjoy at the expense of our lives and that of our colleagues.
Lets hope that these people learn with age, otherwise peace in my lifetime looks uncertain.

Well we do certainly respect the contributions u have made to your army sir, just like how we respect the contributions made to our defence by our soldiers.

Yet let me remind you of one of the harshest realities of the army. You don't decide who or when you should shoot. Or why. Soldiers are never in a position to make decisions.

I do acknowledge your desire for peace and I respect it, don't get me wrong. But this issue is something way beyond the average citizen, average keyboard warrior and ironically, the soldier, who above all, sacrifices the most in the name of his country.

It is not the average keyboard warrior like us who makes peace look uncertain. That credit goes to the state within the state which exists in your country, the ISI, and also your ever-so-powerful generals who sack a civilian government every decade or so and make a 180 degree turn around in their policies.

As for the bolded comment, no it's not just the Pak soldier who has seen bloodshed and the unnecessary loss of lives due to strained Indo-Pak relations, but the average Indian civilian too. Need I remind u about 26/11? Nobody cares who sponsored them. All the average Joe cares about is that they are Pakistani.

I respect your desire for peace. I have never known a Pakistani soldier personally and it's nice to know that there are people among u who like peace. Yet let me remind you of one reality. If there is a war, and if u r told to shoot one of ours, you would do it. Like I said, it is not the jawan who makes the decision but people higher up.

Its your higher ups who are always the problem.

Point being, relationships between my country and yours are beyond the scope of the average citizen or jawan.

[Big Boss]

Yes, I am. And you know what? That means I have paid my dues. I have contributed to the defence of my country. There are pilots flying today who wouldn't have made it without the work we did. India's flagship space rocket works on a mission computer programmed by our team. The Navy teaches its Fleet Air Arm pilots to fly choppers in simulators we made. We acquired glass cockpit technology to be able to help implement it, to support the porting effort, on the SU30MKI.

So I have, I think, earned the right to talk.

And I am willing to listen to anybody else who has contributed. Not to chairborne warriors who kill with their tongues and their typing fingers.

Sir,

1. First of all that age thing was just to show why Atal Bihari Vajpayee/Manmohan types buys fake promises for peace.

2. Its nothing personal, i think u have taken it otherwise, sorry if u feel offended.

3. It will be good if u don't put such things (like above) in public domain, where one can be contacted for cultivation.

[saiyan0321]

They can advance at the slightest opportunity and capture the other strategic peaks. I forgot their name I read in an indian publication, maybe C-2 mountain or something which overlooks the roads connecting china -pakistan

the edge is completely nullified by pak forces controlling gyari pass if indians have that then i would say it would be a good and powerful point. however i know what it means about leaving strategic points but seeing some indian responses over here its like they dont want one inch of peace and then they say we dont want talks

well not leaving posts i dont think that will happen but if high time readiness is being reduced then its a very good thing as this will reduce tensions between two countries and infact any deal being done between parties would be good as even if talks break down atleast serious talks are happening this issue is so bad we can fight for a thousand years and realize nothing has happened

[Joe Shearer]

Of course human life is important. But withdrawing soliers from a strategic point?

The Indian base at Sachen was aimed to target the road links from pakistan to china. I am not taking anyboy's sides here but just talking from a strategic point of view.

There are no roads within miles! The Karakoran Highway is not even within artillery distance; nor is the Chinese highway through Aksai Chin. Will somebody tell me what roadway system this is intended to interrupt?

Please, please, look at a ******* topographical map, and get me out of tearing my hair. I don't have much left.

Do people imagine a Ho Chi Minh trail across 22,000 feet mountains and passes? The three passes are 17/18,000 feet! The Saltoro ridge is 22,000 feet plus, around 25,000 feet.

Would somebody who's been to Leh recently tell me how they felt when they stepped out of doors? That's Leh at - what? - 10, 11,000 feet?

What strategic are we talking about? Are the Chinese going to grow wings and fly across? Or are the Pakistanis growing hooves and trotting across the passes? God save me from map strategists!

[saiyan0321]

Sir,

1. First of all that age thing was just to show why Atal Bihari Vajpayee/Manmohan types buys fake promises for peace.

2. Its nothing personal, i think u have taken it otherwise, sorry if u feel offended.

3. It will be good if u don't put such things (like above) in public domain, where one can be contacted for cultivation.

ok you dont like these guys but you know everybody would go for it do you know why bcz its expensive life threatening and useless to keep things like wartime eventually peace has to be reached some steps have to be mad eventually whether its manmohan or anybody else

[Joe Shearer]

Sir,

1. First of all that age thing was just to show why Atal Bihari Vajpayee/Manmohan types buys fake promises for peace.

2. Its nothing personal, i think u have taken it otherwise, sorry if u feel offended.

3. It will be good if u don't put such things (like above) in public domain, where one can be contacted for cultivation.

Please don't worry about my being contacted for cultivation. Nothing in what I have said is classified. What is classified will remain classified. This is not 5% of the iceberg.

And what gives you the idea that I am vulnerable to being 'contacted for cultivation'? Or do you think that you are the only person to have read pulp fiction about espionage?

And just a point to remember. A gentleman never insults accidentally.

[Big Boss]

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Shaitan sahib,

Mobilization costs money. Ammunition moved out of storage has only limited life.

Money is not a problem, specially for defense and more particularly for strategics cases.

All these things start taking a toll and this does not include the impact on the morale of troops stationed at these posts, away from family, with very limited leave and in temporary accommodations which limit training and all of the other activities that a typical unit goes through.

No one can understand it more then me whose 3 family members are rotting in the rough mountain tops 6 months in a year due to pakistan.

But we have to do it because its vital for us.

At the end of the day, its not some goodwill that is leading to this decision, rather the practicality of maintaining a very expensive deployment with extremely limited return on the investment.

Plz, sir don't sell me goodwill cookie.

I will believe goodwill the day:

- Fake currency export stops

- Dawood Ibrahim handed over to us.

- Hafeez Saeed Hanged.

Armies are mobile for this exact reason so they can be mobilized and then sent back to peace time locations.

In that case, What happen in the Kargil?????

We can't take chances.