Rafale vs SU-30MKI
Was posted here before, but isn't very reliable.
PAK FA with 'Brahmos'
Wrt to the engine, that's just speculations! The upgrades isn't fixed yet, no official source has confirmed a new engine, or even an upgraded version yet. Klimov offers the S117 engine for the Su 30 operators, but since HAL is producing the AL 31s in India, it would be more logical to upgrade these for more thrust, instead of adding a new type of engine to the production line.
Btw, England won and is in the next round!
On the other hand, both Rafale and Su-30MKI are "jack of all trades" aircraft. They have advantages over the J-10B but will find it diffult to compete in the air-superiority role with J-10B.
Please refer to the J-10B thread below:
PLAAF J-10B ready to enter service soon.
For all Rafale fans..
The aircraft will make appearence at RIAT on 7th July this year,both static and flying display.
I may post pics for you fan boys
DO u know what crap ur posting ,do u know anything about rafale that ur blabbering here
WTF u said Rafale is a jack of all trades & will find it diffICULTult to compete in the air-superiority role with J-10B.
See boy what i am posting here,trust me u can learn something about rafale,seriously
3)RAFALE'S SUPERB PERFORMANCE IN AERIAL EXERCISE WITH MIRAGE 2000 & f16:
RAFALE THRASHING TYPHOON 9-1 in Solenzara, 2009.
A first indisputable skirmish
The Armée de l' Air has been able to experience this superiority in dogfight in September 2009, during an exercise organized by the French and British headquarters, during a deployment on the Solenzara airbase in Corsica.
Few days , the EC-1/7 stands next with the Royal Air Force transformation squadron on typhoons. The English have thought of everything, and introduce to the French pilots the simulated engagement patterns they wish to practice facing the Rafale. The French pilots push back a smile: the conditions of the exercice are, on paper, custom-made for the Typhoons , they plan within visual range fights , 1 vs 1, under 20,000 ft and at 350 knots. Whatever. The 'Provence' squadron takes up the gauntlet ... The 2 planes take off, then meet up at 18 000 ft to start the exercise. The aircraft are flying on the same trajectory with about 2 km of lateral separation. "Turn Away" with this announcement, the pilots turn 45 ° outward, to move away from each other. A few seconds later, the "turn in" and the planes turn toward each other to meet face-to-face in the sky. Once both aircraft is within visual range , its the ultimate ad: "Fight's on!". The first skirmish is indisputable. It need less than 40 seconds and only 3 crossing for the Rafale pilot to have its gun in firing position. However, the pilots flying the two planes are far from beginners. While the English is considered a Typhoon specialist in air-to-air, the "Provence" pilot has also a solid experience in within visual range combat.
Nine wins, one defeat
This initial result is not a fluke: the two next passes end also to the advantage of the Rafale. In total, 4 different engagements will take place in Corsica, for a total of 9 wins against 1 defeat for the french fighter. A nice demonstration of force that inspires the pilots the following moral: without mastery, power is nothing ... It is however an area where the Typhoon is victorious: the one of exports. While the Rafale is still looking for a first client, the Typhoon has already been sold to Saudi Arabia and Austria, and remains opposed to the Rafale in Switzerland and India.
Rafale News - Page 101
Rafale's War Game with F-22 (2009)
Rafale News - Page 101One defeat for five draws.
The U.S. Air Force, however, put strict conditions surrounding the confrontation: the Raptor will not participate in any BVR exercise with foreign aircraft. The American pilots only accept to confront in dogfight, 1 vs 1, against crews that participate in the exercise. Pilots of the 1/7 take their chance ... and the results will be rather promising: on 6 engagements, only one has resulted, according to the French aviators, with a straightforward victory for the F-22A. The other 5 have ended with a 'draw' ,a situation of equality that can be obtained by various parameters: Dual protracted beyond a preset time,crossing of the floor set for the exercice ...
2 main parameters give the advantage to the Raptor in dogfight: the thrust vector and the enormous power conferred by its 2 reactors, which give each twice the thrust of the M88! Although it is much heavier than the Rafale, the F22A maintains a formidable manceuvrability that allows it to leave the most delicate BFM situations; even if it loses a lot of energy during maneuvers with the highest angle of attack, this energy can be quickly recovered by its engines.
But the french pilots are careful to qualify the Raptor as invulnerable: "Facing an F-22A, the Rafale can be put in firing position but it must do it very quickly, lest the roles reversed if the battle drags on" summarizes a French aviator.
After reading all this one would say it's an insult to rafale by comparing it with J10b
Last edited by DrSomnath999; 06-20-2012 at 10:12 AM.
^^ Nice post as ever DOC....
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