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    The Defence Ministry will soon move the Union Cabinet for an additional Rs. 2000 crore to meet the cost overrun for completing the first phase of Indigenous Aircraft Carrier (IAC) being constructed at the Cochin Shipyard – on India’s western seaboard.The IAC, which is likely to be named INS Vikrant – after India’s first and now decommissioned aircraft carrier – is delayed by at least five years and is expected to be with the Indian Navy only after 2018 as against the scheduled date of delivery of 2014, Defense Minister AK Antony had earlier told Parliament. For the Indian Navy the delay and the cost overrun of the indigenously made aircraft carrier is almost a double whammy as the Russian built Aircraft Carrier Admiral Gorshkov, renamed as INS Vikramaditya, is also delayed.

    Sources told NDTV that the first phase of the construction of the aircraft carrier, which in 2003 was budget to cost about Rs. 3200 crore, has escalated because of delays. In the first stage of the project the shipyard was expected to piece together some 18,000 tonnes of the hull, however, only 14,000 tonnes have been constructed. The ship is likely to be about 40,000 tonnes and is biggest ship that India has ever built. Till now only USA, Russia, the UK and France have produced such warships. China has re-fitted an old aircraft carrier purchased from Ukraine after the USSR broke up. The construction of the ship has been delayed due several reasons primarily because India was unable to procure special steel from Russia and also because gear boxes produced by a Gujarat-based firm in collaboration with the German partner had been found to be faulty.

    Public sector giant, Steel Authority of India (SAIL) has come to rescue of the Indian Navy by producing the special quality steel. The first of the two remade gear boxes have reached Kochi a few days ago.

    The total cost of the aircraft carrier alone – without its aircraft component – is likely to be between Rs. 14000-to Rs. 18000 crore.

    Mr Antony who reviewed the progress of the construction of the ship today directed Defense Secretary Shashikant Sharma to constantly monitor the progress of the construction and formed empowered apex committee. Defense Minister Antony has asked Cochin ship yard to come with a “firm date of delivery”. Sources said that Mr Antony has also told the shipyard that “we cannot go on hearing excuses. Everybody has to be accountable for the warship which is a national project and responsibilities in case of further slippages will have to be fixed.”

    The aircraft carrier is critical to India’s ambition to emerge as a dominant player in the Indian Ocean region. Although India needs at least two, if not three, aircraft carriers, however, to ensure that it has at least one carrier available at all times, at present it is still pushing the 50 year old British made war horse INS Viraat. The warship has served the Navy for 25 years and should have been decommissioned in 2002. Naval experts say rarely do any Navy use ships which are 50 years old.

    With the USA likely to reduce its presence in the Persian Gulf, the Indian Navy desperately needs major assets like Aircraft Carriers to maintain its presence and also shape the developments in the volatile gulf region. “It is because we’re uncertain about when we are likely to get the next carrier we have been keeping INS Viraat in the best shape possible,” a senior Naval officer told NDTV. INS Viraat which has gone through over a dozen major and minor refits is currently undergoing another refit is likely to be in the docks and out of action till March 2013.

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    Default Re: Indian aircraft carrier: More costly, already delayed

    I see this as another Lca type of delay. Expect more delays in the coming years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IND151 View Post
    ...The first of the two remade gear boxes have reached Kochi a few days ago...
    Good, so the production can go on soon.

    Quote Originally Posted by IND151 View Post
    ...The total cost of the aircraft carrier is likely to be between Rs. 14000-to Rs. 18000 crore...
    I always get confused with these crore figures, how much is this in Million Dollar?
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    Default Re: Indian aircraft carrier: More costly, already delayed

    54000 crore is $10 billion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajaxpaul View Post
    54000 crore is $10 billion.
    wrong buddy, it's $ 1 billion.

    Edit: this is the approx. checked by google:

    1000000000 US dollars = 55262500000.0000 Indian rupees

    i.e. $ 1 billion = Rs. 5520 cr.
    Last edited by arp2041; 11-21-2012 at 02:24 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by arp2041 View Post
    wrong buddy, it's $ 1 billion.

    Edit: this is the approx. checked by google:

    1000000000 US dollars = 55262500000.0000 Indian rupees

    i.e. $ 1 billion = Rs. 5520 cr.
    Ok 55200 crore is $10 billion.
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    If i aint wrong news da already posta man!

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    What about the turbines and propulsion system? Does L&T make it or do we have to import it ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by arp2041 View Post
    wrong buddy, it's $ 1 billion.

    Edit: this is the approx. checked by google:

    1000000000 US dollars = 55262500000.0000 Indian rupees

    i.e. $ 1 billion = Rs. 5520 cr.
    Just found this converter too:

    Crores to Millions Calculator


    So the carrier will cost between $2.54 and 3.26 billions for a 40000t STOBAR carrier

    US pays $3.4 billions for their 45000t America-class STOVL carrier

    UK pays $4.77 billions for their 65000t Queen Elizabeth class STOVL carrier

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    ^^ THANKS FOR THE CALCULATION
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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    Just found this converter too:

    Crores to Millions Calculator


    So the carrier will cost between $2.54 and 3.26 billions for a 40000t STOBAR carrier

    US pays $3.4 billions for their 45000t America-class STOVL carrier

    UK pays $4.77 billions for their 65000t Queen Elizabeth class STOVL carrier
    India can do it for 2 billion if there is no delay.
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    Default Re: Indian aircraft carrier: More costly, already delayed

    Nice article

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    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
    Good, so the production can go on soon.



    I always get confused with these crore figures, how much is this in Million Dollar?
    I always think about it. Why dont you guys write in millions/billions, which are understandable by masses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajaxpaul View Post
    What about the turbines and propulsion system? Does L&T make it or do we have to import it ?
    4x General Electric LM2500+ gas turbines, an evolution of the LM2500 which itself is a derivative of the CF6 aircraft engine (b747, b747, dc10/md11, a300/310/330), a development of the first high-power high-bypass jet engine available, the TF39, which was first conceived for the C-5 Galaxy. USA aside, the LM2500 is also license-built in Japan by Ishikawajima-Harima and in Italy by Avio.

    Vikrant class aircraft carrier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    General Electric LM2500 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    General Electric CF6 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    INS Shivalik (P17) marked the first LM2500-powered ship to enter service with the Indian Navy. GE has provided four LM2500 gas turbine kits to Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. (HAL), Bangalore, which HAL assembled and tested for the Indian Navy’s indigenous aircraft carrier; the keel laying took place on February 28, 2009. This brings the total to 10 LM2500 propulsion modules HAL provided to the Indian Navy. The LM2500 gas turbine kits were manufactured at GE’s Evendale, Ohio, facility, and assembled and tested by HAL’s Industrial & Marine Gas Turbine Division. HAL’s Industrial and Marine Gas Turbine Division is a licensed packager in India of GE’s LM2500 marine gas turbines.

    First LM2500-Powered Ship for Indian

    Quote Originally Posted by sancho View Post
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    So the carrier will cost between $2.54 and 3.26 billions for a 40000t STOBAR carrier

    US pays $3.4 billions for their 45000t America-class STOVL carrier

    UK pays $4.77 billions for their 65000t Queen Elizabeth class STOVL carrier
    Yes, aircraft carriers are both complex and expensive (with the former often leading to delay and adding to the latter)
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    All those Nay sayer shld be thankful....that their parents din't have there attitude... first time u tried and failed to utter a word after birth....they din't throw you in mentally retarded pool or worst in dumps.....
    Failure and delay are part and parcel of learning something new..... ppl who are here in haste to reach conclusion....are either superhuman or were spoonfed all their life.........period
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