2*MIG 35 >> RAFALE/EFT

[tvsram1992]

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consider a situation of war with our neighbour say china

Both countries have made their airforces ready for a war.(please dont comment on this)

What we get for $ 100 million.........

Indian air base is at a distance of 100km from LOC and the target is 1000 km away from our border.
Aircraft -------Payload--- No of a/c's per $100 mln---equivalent payload--- Max speed --Mission time
Rafale ---- 9500kg---- 1.16 ---- 11020 ---- 1.8---- 30.86 minutes
Eurofighter----7500kg ----0.92 ---- 6900 ---- 2.0 ---- 27.77 minutes
Mig 35 ---- 6500kg---- 2.60 ---- 16900 ---- 2.25---- 24.68 minutes

Instead of investing $100million for rafale or Eurofighter, if we buy migs, we can deliver a payload 0f 17,000kg in
semi stealthy configuration.(I mean low rcs.)

Almost equal to payload of B2 spirit bomber whose payload is of 18,400kg



Air to ground mode

20 X 250 kg unguided bombs
10 X 500 kg Laser guided bombs
10 X 500 kg Cluster bombs
10 X 200 lb unguided bombs


These bombs can down 2 airbases of china permenantly.
Drop 4X250kg unguided bombs on radar. So use 10X250 kg guided bombs for neutralising radars in the base.
Drop 3X500kg laser gided bombs runways to make it useless.
Drop 3X500kg precision guided munititions on parked aircrafts.
For targets that were not neutralised Drop 5X200lb unguided bombs
and Use 2X500kg cluster bombs to destroy the airbase completely.
In this way by investing $100million on Mig35's, we can destroy 2 airbases of china completely !!!


Now its time for china to react. It sends 2 best aircrafts from its inventory to counter Mig's. Mean while it makes its SAM's ready.


Air to air mode

They can carry a maximum of

a2a missiles
10 X R-27
10 X R-60
20 X R-73
20 X R-77
10 X Kh-31
10 X Kh-29

with in 25 minutes giving no time for china to prepare for a counter attack. Moreover china needs to get ready for launching
2.6 SAM's at a time. But Mig's can evade the missiles easily by moving at high speeds > Mach 2 . The SAM's come towards Mig's with Mach 4
speed and so the resultant speed at which SAM is heading towards is Mach 2. So it takes 5 minutes for the SAM to hit.
Mean while MIG's escape . After travelling 100 Kms the SAM falls on ground after not able to hit Mig's.
OR
Mig's can out maneuver the SAM if it is shot from less distance.
Along with SAM's the aircraft sent to counter Mig's fail to intercept Mig's even at BVR range.
If it comes to dogfight, mig's can destroy the 2 planes sent by china!!!


Final result, mission succesful.

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[madooxno9]

IT'S pretty clear that MIG 35 is out of options , the reason i think is simple ... if we wanted MIG 35 in such big numbers we could have just asked Russians and the deal would have been in the same way as we had for SU-30 MKI , but airforce called in for tender ... that means airforce is looking for something different or the best to make that aircraft as backbone .

[gulte]

IT'S pretty clear that MIG 35 is out of options , the reason i think is simple ... if we wanted MIG 35 in such big numbers we could have just asked Russians and the deal would have been in the same way as we had for SU-30 MKI , but airforce called in for tender ... that means airforce is looking for something different or the best to make that aircraft as backbone .

Adding to that, Chinese have considerable experience dealing with Russian air frames and weapons which makes it difficult for us to surprise them in combat situations.

[rahul_rao]

Adding to that, Chinese have considerable experience dealing with Russian air frames and weapons which makes it difficult for us to surprise them in combat situations.

yeah i agree

[Alfa-Fighter]

wWell reality that India faces problem of spares with Russia, even their SU-30 MKI suffers the spare problems so IAF wants the place with no problem, mirage performance is quite good and therefore air force goes by it.

Too many egg in one basket will spoil the things, which india don't want.

[Hello_10]

consider a situation of war with our neighbour say china

Both countries have made their airforces ready for a war.(please dont comment on this)

What we get for $ 100 million.........

Indian air base is at a distance of 100km from LOC and the target is 1000 km away from our border.
Aircraft -------Payload--- No of a/c's per $100 mln---equivalent payload--- Max speed --Mission time
Rafale ---- 9500kg---- 1.16 ---- 11020 ---- 1.8---- 30.86 minutes
Eurofighter----7500kg ----0.92 ---- 6900 ---- 2.0 ---- 27.77 minutes
Mig 35 ---- 6500kg---- 2.60 ---- 16900 ---- 2.25---- 24.68 minutes

Instead of investing $100million for rafale or Eurofighter, if we buy migs, we can deliver a payload 0f 17,000kg in semi stealthy configuration.(I mean low rcs.)

Almost equal to payload of B2 spirit bomber whose payload is of 18,400kg


Air to ground mode

20 X 250 kg unguided bombs
10 X 500 kg Laser guided bombs
10 X 500 kg Cluster bombs
10 X 200 lb unguided bombs


These bombs can down 2 airbases of china permenantly.
Drop 4X250kg unguided bombs on radar. So use 10X250 kg guided bombs for neutralising radars in the base.
Drop 3X500kg laser gided bombs runways to make it useless.
Drop 3X500kg precision guided munititions on parked aircrafts.
For targets that were not neutralised Drop 5X200lb unguided bombs
and Use 2X500kg cluster bombs to destroy the airbase completely.
In this way by investing $100million on Mig35's, we can destroy 2 airbases of china completely !!!


Now its time for china to react. It sends 2 best aircrafts from its inventory to counter Mig's. Mean while it makes its SAM's ready.


Air to air mode

They can carry a maximum of

a2a missiles
10 X R-27
10 X R-60
20 X R-73
20 X R-77
10 X Kh-31
10 X Kh-29

with in 25 minutes giving no time for china to prepare for a counter attack. Moreover china needs to get ready for launching
2.6 SAM's at a time. But Mig's can evade the missiles easily by moving at high speeds > Mach 2 . The SAM's come towards Mig's with Mach 4
speed and so the resultant speed at which SAM is heading towards is Mach 2. So it takes 5 minutes for the SAM to hit.
Mean while MIG's escape . After travelling 100 Kms the SAM falls on ground after not able to hit Mig's.
OR
Mig's can out maneuver the SAM if it is shot from less distance.
Along with SAM's the aircraft sent to counter Mig's fail to intercept Mig's even at BVR range.
If it comes to dogfight, mig's can destroy the 2 planes sent by china!!!


Final result, mission succesful.

Mig35/ Mig29VOT is the most advanced version of Mig29s and with its much improved A2G capabilities for this primarily air superiority aircraft, hence it was absolutely justified to buy Mig29k for INS Vikramaditya and IAC-1. And as Mig29k is fit in comparison with F16 block52, I would say Mig35/ Mig29VOT with AESA radar and thrust Victorian would be said little superior than F26 block52, the most advanced aircraft on Indian border.

And from here, even if Rafale would cost around $120mil each and LCA around $45mil, and both the type of aircrafts have their need in IAF, it would still take at least 4 to 6 years for their induction and it will again take around 2 to 4 years for the pilots to get trained on these aircrafts. Means, you would expect either LCA or Rafale to be actively working by 2018/20. But about Mig35, it has a running production line of Mig29k which has over 90% similar parts as Mig35 and Mig35 may be delivered from 2014 onwards, no later than that. And if there might be around 90 Mi29SMT+Mig29k working with Indian military then there would be at least 300+ pilots properly trained on them. Hence, after arrival by no later than early to late 2014, the already trained pilots on Mig29s may be able to fly Mig35 within just 6 months, even while patrolling on border areas.

Rafale is definitely a little better one and that’s why it would cost at least $110mil plus infrastructure cost also but Mi35, with fully loaded with missiles and weapons also, won’t cost more than $60mil each and it will be the best aircraft than any of the Indian neighbors currently have. if 126 'Rafale F4' would cost at least $16bn, then 80 Mig35 won’t cost more than $5bn including weapons and missiles . And with Super SU30MKIs, Mig35 will form back boon for front line air defense of India till 2022/ 25, if IAF order '80' Mig35/ Mig29VOT as per the news.

I would compare Mig35 with S-400 missiles of Russia. Even if Russia has offered an inferior version, the S-300 to Syria, whole West is threatened. but even if they offered S-400 to India, India bought it in limited numbers only as India is mainly interested in S-500 which is development right now (as per the reports), similarly how India has S-300 in limited numbers only. While S-400 or Mig35/ Mig29VOT are more than enough to remove sleep of Indian neighbors? There can’t be comparison of Mig35 with any other M-MRCA aircraft which is offered for so less price and have so many advantages for IAF. (the most advanced version of Mig29 and better than any aircraft of Indian neighbors, with much improved A2G capabilities of this primarily air superiority aircraft, offered with AESA radar, with already existing infrastructure of Mig29s and well trained pilots on it.)

With Rafale, I think IAF would finalize the proposed deal for 80 Mig35 as soon as they can so that its early delivery may be possible.

[Jarha]

Major part of indian armoury is Russian .So my answer would be why to put all eggs in one basket.

[Skull and Bones]

^^
If IAF wants Mig-35, then they won't issue a multi-party tender for it. They will simply go for follow on orders of Mig-29/35.

[Yeti]

India's purchase of S-300 is not confirmed from any reports I have come across. It makes more sense to order Super Sukhoi's instead of Mig 35 in my view also.

[Jarha]

^^ Yes,India has purchased such batteries from Russia @Yeti

[Yeti]

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^^ Yes,India has purchased such batteries from Russia @Yeti

It is not confirmed from what I know