F-16's are best to counter immediate threat!!!

[tvsram1992]

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Though MMRCA deal is for long time strategical benefits and experience of assembling 4++ gen aircrfats, we are having threat from china and pakistan.
Definetly we can say that MMRCA deal is going to take much time and we can expect delays. We cant be able to get 126 aircrafts completely by 2010.

My analysis of future IAF
2010- Total aircraft-636 , Effective aircraft(Su30,Mig29,Mirage,Jaguar)-413, Next to be retired:Mig21,Mig27,Jaguar
Any one can attack india easily before 2020. After wards india will be tuffest opponent.

Interceptor . Mig21 bison -121 .121
Multirole/airsuperiority . Su30mk/mk2 - 42, su30mki-82 .124
Fighter aircraft . Mig29S- 69, Mirage 2000H- 51 .120
Ground attack . JaguarIM-169 , Mig 27UPG-102 .271

2020- Total aircraft-738 , Effective aircraft(Su30,Super30,MMRCA,Tejas)-498, Next to be retired:Jaguar,Mirage,Mig29's
India is self sufficient. We are defensive, no one can dare to attack us

Interceptor . Tejas Mk1-40,Tejas Mk2-30 .70
Multirole/airsuperiority . MMRCA-126 ,Sukhoi su30 super-180 .306
Fighter aircraft . Su30mki-124 ,Mig29S- 69 .193
Ground attack . Jaguar upgraded-100, Mirage 2000H- 51,PakFa-18 .171

2030- Total aircraft-820 , Effective aircraft(Su30,super30,Tejas,Indian bomber,Russian bomber,Pakfa,fgfa,MMRCA)-820, Next to be retired:No retirement, Only upgrades
Dont touch India u'll die. India can stop attacks from neighbours.

Interceptor . Tejas Mk1-40,Tejas mk2-100 .140
Multirole/airsuperiority . Pakfa-50,Fgfa-50,Sukhoi su30 super-204 .304
Fighter aircraft . MMRCA-126 ,Su30mki-100 .226
Ground attack . Indeginous bomber-50,Sukhoi/ Mig bomber-100 .150

2040- Total aircraft-1270 , Effective aircraft(Su30,super30,TejasMk2,Indian bomber,Russian bomber,Pakfa,fgfa,Amca)-1104, Next to be retired:MMRCA will be upgraded to strike attack ,Tejas Mk1
Stealth rules india.IAF becomes attack airforce. More than sufficient airforce. India can attack deep in china.

Interceptor . Tejas Mk1-40,Tejas Mk2-150 .190
Multirole/airsuperiority . Fgfa-250,Sukhoi su30 super-254 .504
Fighter aircraft . Pakfa-50,Amca-100,Su30mki-50 .200
Ground attack . MMRCA-126,Indeginous bomber-150,Sukhoi/Mig bomber-100 .376

2050- Total aircraft-1370 , Effective aircraft(super30,Tejas,Indian bomber,Russian bomber,Pakfa,fgfa,MMRCA,Stealth bomber)-1020, Next to be retired:MMRCA,Su30's
Inducts more stealthy crafts. Gets ready for 6th gen aircrafts. Neighbours scare from India.India can attack china and pakistan simuntaneously!

Interceptor . Tejas Mk2-150, MMRCA-100 .250
Multirole/airsuperiority . Fgfa-250,Amca-200 .450
Fighter aircraft . Pak fa-50,Su30 most advanced-250 .300
Ground attack . Tejas Mk3-50,Stealth bomber-20,Indeginous bomber-200,Russian bomber-100 .370

Then onwards non stealthy aircrafts will be slowly replaced by stealthy ones and 6th gen aircrafts.
In 2060 su30's becomes 2010 mig21's and the story continues.....
*Effective aircraft refers to good aircraft at that time.

So, its clear that we can't easily tackle immediate threat ie before 2020.
So, American aircrafts are best option for us. We can consider the following 2 options:

1. Award the deal to F-16 . We get 18 F-16IN's directly , we can start making them here so that there is no chance of american's keeping spy devices in falcons(There is a rumor that spy devices have been kept in PAF's F-16's). Mean while american's have more than 1200 F-16's. Ask them 100 F-16's for lease, we would return them in dozens when HAL completes making of dozen aircraft. Americans wouldn't feel much difficult for giving 100 aircrafts for lease when we are ordering such an amount of aircrafts.

2. Directly ask USAF to lease 100 F-16's (we can say we ll buy 100 US aircrafts later/we ll trade $10billion with them. It can be CJ-130's/AEWC&s/F/A 18's/F-35's/Other transport aircrafts.........). Any way we will trade with them even if we don't do like this.

[tvsram1992]

Questions???

1.Why to go for same aircraft that PAF has?
A)Why we went for Su30's that china have? More over it is to counter China.....

2.Why to go for US aircraft with out full TOT?
A)MMRCA can be extended for more than 250 Aircrafts we can expect TOT for other MMRCA. This is to counter immediate threat.

[Royan]

Worst Idea we can come up with.
Besides the Air force chief stated that the F-16's have no future.................

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Questions???

One only one
Why ignore better aircraft and go the F-16???????

[tvsram1992]

Worst Idea we can come up with.
Besides the Air force chief stated that the F-16's have no future.................

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One only one
Why ignore better aircraft and go the F-16???????

immediate threat!!!
Indian army fears of war with china before 2017

[Royan]

immediate threat!!!
Indian army fears of war with china before 2017

Edit your post: Some Indian Citizens fears of war with china before 2017, don't drag the army in to this....
You really believe China will want an all out war with us by 2017

[MST]

Questions???

1.Why to go for same aircraft that PAF has?
A)Why we went for Su30's that china have? More over it is to counter China.....

2.Why to go for US aircraft with out full TOT?
A)MMRCA can be extended for more than 250 Aircrafts we can expect TOT for other MMRCA. This is to counter immediate threat.

Let me ask some fundamental Questions.

1) Why this lease thing doesn't apply to other fighters.
F-18 E/F-We can ask the US Navy to lease us some aircrafts
Rafael- Dasault is ready to give 40 Rafael quickly while India finalises the MMRCA
Eurofighter-Partner countries are reducing the number of Tranche 3A/B. India can be the direct replacement.

2) One can't just buy/lease an aircraft and take it to war. The Airforce needs to develop tactics and the pilots need to train on the fighter. And this takes years. There is a reason why aircrafts are inducted one squadron at a time. Unless we lease the Jets along with their fighter pilots the option is useless.

[farhan_9909]

F-16IN

AESA is operational
with CFT hence longest range
7.8ton payload.better then EF,Mig 35,Gripen,f-18 except rafale
single engine bt thrust equals to twin engine rafale(150KN both engine) and F-16 single engine thrust is 144KN
A true multirole.
War proven
avionics as we knw in avionics USA is second to none..and F-16IN is the newest and will have the latest avionics
AESA of f-16 range is said to be twice of the older block 52 radar which tracking range is 180-200km
I am sure the f-16 AESA will be better then the AESA for Rafale or EF in development
better t/w ratio then rafale,Gripen,f-18,Mig 35
Supercruise may be possible

well F-16 is no less then any other fighter in the MMRCA and is better then Gripen and Mig 35 in all aspect

[arihant]

I guess GRIPEN + Raffle would be best deal or it could be F 18 + Raffle to satisfy uncle same. EF if very costly and it would need decision with all partners. So here rafale should go. And about GRIPEN, we need to solve our Tejas problem with this small tiny best aircarft.

[Skull and Bones]

Questions???

1.Why to go for same aircraft that PAF has?
A)Why we went for Su30's that china have? More over it is to counter China.....

2.Why to go for US aircraft with out full TOT?
A)MMRCA can be extended for more than 250 Aircrafts we can expect TOT for other MMRCA. This is to counter immediate threat.

1.As of current news, F-16 has been rejected by IAF on the grounds of lack of future prospects.
2. We ordered Su-30 MKIs in 1996, and PLAAF ordered them in 2003, so no blaming IAF.
3. Full ToT is the main concern in MMRCA deal, without ToT there can always remain a concern of spare parts unavailability or delays.
4. As of now the total number of aircraft is 123 with an option of additional 74, in case of delays of upcoming projects the number can be increased to upto 250 or more.

[Skull and Bones]

If India wants to go for a single aircraft then Dassault Rafale is the one, if 2 manufactures then the orders should be split in between F-18SH and Eurofighter Typhoon.

[rockstar]

F-16IN

AESA is operational
with CFT hence longest range
7.8ton payload.better then EF,Mig 35,Gripen,f-18 except rafale
single engine bt thrust equals to twin engine rafale(150KN both engine) and F-16 single engine thrust is 144KN
A true multirole.
War proven
avionics as we knw in avionics USA is second to none..and F-16IN is the newest and will have the latest avionics
AESA of f-16 range is said to be twice of the older block 52 radar which tracking range is 180-200km
I am sure the f-16 AESA will be better then the AESA for Rafale or EF in development
better t/w ratio then rafale,Gripen,f-18,Mig 35
Supercruise may be possible

well F-16 is no less then any other fighter in the MMRCA and is better then Gripen and Mig 35 in all aspect

But we are looking for MMRCA to serve us more than 30 years, so after around 15 years of service, what will we do with F-16? for MLU update?

Nothing..!!, it will be like Mig-21 now in IAF whereas, MKIs and FGFAs will be preferred over.

[angeldemon_007]

I don't know why we are even talking about this, IAF has done the assessment very professionally. F16 was unable to impress them in any front. But the idea of getting more fighters is better. IAF should show a little oversight and decide before signing the agreement whether they want more or not. Accordingly we can ask for more fighters from the vendor. Both Eurofighter Consortium and Dassault are capable of providing more fighters in less time.

Its known to everyone that F16 has no future and except AESA its good for nothing. Every fighter except Mig35 is above F16 and even Mig35 might be above. F16 and gripen are best option in less expenditure but we don't have to worry about money as government has sanctioned 9 billion $ with an option to provide a couple more if needed which very much covers every fighter.

AESA of f-16 range is said to be twice of the older block 52 radar which tracking range is 180-200km

No offense buddy but F16 block 52 does not have an aesa radar.

[Skull and Bones]

^^^^
He never mentioned about F-16 block 52 having AESA radar, he just compared the tracking range.

[Icarus]

That would be a strategic disadvantage to the IAF. Pakistan has been operating the Falcons since the 80s, we have amongst the most experienced pilots with over 5000 flight hours on the falcon. Buying F-16s would mean that PAF would already know it's strength and weaknesses. This will make it easier to apply effective countermeasures and exploit it's weakness. IAF would never go for it. As for the F-16 having no future. It will remain in service with USAF until 2022 and still remains the world's most mass produced jet aircraft with an enviable success rate in air to air engagements. Anyone who says it does not have a future does not know what he is talking about.

[Skull and Bones]

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That would be a strategic disadvantage to the IAF. Pakistan has been operating the Falcons since the 80s, we have amongst the most experienced pilots with over 5000 flight hours on the falcon. Buying F-16s would mean that PAF would already know it's strength and weaknesses. This will make it easier to apply effective countermeasures and exploit it's weakness. IAF would never go for it. As for the F-16 having no future. It will remain in service with USAF until 2022 and still remains the world's most mass produced jet aircraft with an enviable success rate in air to air engagements. Anyone who says it does not have a future does not know what he is talking about.

This point(highlighted) is obviously thought off by the evaluators of the aircrafts. Though its of the most mass produced air craft of current times but how long can you go upgrading it ? IAF is looking for an aircraft which can be kept in service for atleast 25-30 years. And while we have many better choices in our hand, going for F-16s doesn't make any sense.

I have one question lurking in my head, Its stated that F-16 IN has an AESA radar with a tracking range much higher than that of F-16 block 52, so can any pilot with much experience,out maneuver any BVR AAM. This is not an era of close range dog fights, remember?