US “fully prepared” for any confrontation with Iran over Strait of Hormu

[kollang]

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Like to hear your version of the truth.

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Like to hear your version of the truth.

is there any problem in my posts.i will be happy to hear a truth from you to prove your self
and the only one who is lier is you not me
so why are you trolling?

[harpoon]

is there any problem in my posts.i will be happy to hear a truth from you to prove your self
and the only one who is lier is you not me
so why are you trolling?

First explain to me:

firstly,you told a big lie.at first you said your navy was hor to the horn of usa not china
secondly,you had no weapon to horn to the horn of usa
so stop trolling

and what is China doing here?

[lem34]

I don't know why so much band width is being expended on the fact that Americans are ready. So what? As I said before they were ready when they went to Vietnam as well. I admire Iranians for they will not be bullied. I would take what Americans say with a pinch of salt we know they are liars eg WMD in Iraq. and we know they have been huffing and puffing ever since their appointed tin pot was deposed in Iran for 30 years. So just ignore the united snakes

[kollang]

First explain to me:



and what is China doing here?

ok i meant soveit.sorry

[harpoon]

ok i meant soveit.sorry

What are you trying to prove here? that you are the first country to score a point with USN..knock yourself out.

[kollang]

What are you trying to prove here? that you are the first country to score a point with USN..knock yourself out.

as i said before i wanne prove the truth!is it odd for you?

[harpoon]

as i said before i wanne prove the truth!is it odd for you?

The truth is that Indian Military forces held their ground in 1971 against the threat from US 7th fleet and a possible Chinese advance through the Himalayas and won both our military and political objective.

Like to see whether Iran is all talk and no action.

[kollang]

the uk is ready to back the us no matter what. the white race will dominate forever.

time to bring "democracy" to iran.

hey racist.here is not a place to speak about this worthless thing.get lost plz!

[kollang]

The truth is that Indian Military forces held their ground in 1971 against the threat from US 7th fleet and a possible Chinese advance through the Himalayas and won both our military and political objective.

Like to see whether Iran is all talk and no action.

talking about this subject is too useless.i explained the truth as well and others can decide who tell the truth

we proved our selfs as well!did you forgot the RQ-170?

[lem34]

The truth is that Indian Military forces held their ground in 1971 against the threat from US 7th fleet and a possible Chinese advance through the Himalayas and won both our military and political objective.

Like to see whether Iran is all talk and no action.

India was never really threatend America stopped selling weapons to both sides. This affected Pakistan more cos it was buying Arms from America whilst India continued getting her arms from Russsia. Also:

NEW DELHI: Despite its intense animosity towards India during the 1971 war, the US promised New Delhi "all out" support in case China carried out any unprovoked attack on India, recently declassified documents reveal 40 years after the historic war that created Bangladesh.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/india-d...o-pak-war.html

[harpoon]

talking about this subject is too useless.i explained the truth as well and others can decide who tell the truth

we proved our selfs as well!did you forgot the RQ-170?

Operation Praying Mantis anyone

[harpoon]

India was never really threatend America stopped selling weapons to both sides. This affected Pakistan more cos it was buying Arms from America whilst India continued getting her arms from Russsia. Also:

NEW DELHI: Despite its intense animosity towards India during the 1971 war, the US promised New Delhi "all out" support in case China carried out any unprovoked attack on India, recently declassified documents reveal 40 years after the historic war that created Bangladesh.





http://www.defence.pk/forums/india-d...o-pak-war.html

Thats the power of our diplomacy. Also why are you silent on the US aid that came through Turkey, Jordan and Iran.

The whole US helping India if China attacks is a whole load of BS, actually they were encouraging China to interfere in 1971 war.

[lem34]

I feel compelled to expose this so called neutrality of India that some Indians are trying to make out to you Iranians. India is forcibly holding a part of Kashmir and refusing to allow the Muslims of that state where they compromise a majority a plebiscite per UN resolutions. Indians will never be sincere to any Muslim country. The BJP party in opposition is a party which has been in power and commands significant support amongst Indians. BJP propagates a philosophy called Hindutva which is comparable to Zionism.

Hindutva and Zionism hurdles to peace and democracy: Scholars

For this reason they are natural allies and have been allied to Israel. As you guys know AIPAC influences American some would say controls American foreign policy. Ergo Americans are true friends of India. You only have to look on Indian members on the forum and see how pro American Indians are, There is an article here by a former Ambassador of India who has over 30 years diplomatic experience who now writes and explains. I know it is a long read but it makes the point where Indian loyalties lie:


Dai Bingguo heading for Islamabad


Francis Fukuyama wrote a sequel to his celebrated book The End of History and the Last Man (1992) no sooner than he realised that he was hopelessly wrong in his prediction that the global triumph of political and economic liberalism was at hand. He wrote: “What we may be witnessing is not just the end of the Cold War, or the crossing of a particular period of postwar history, but the end of history as such… That is, the end point of mankind’s ideological evolution and the universalization of Western democracy as the final form of human government.” But in no time he realised his rush to judgment and he retracted with another book.

However, unlike the celebrated American neocon thinker, Indian foreign policy thinkers who were heavily influenced by his 1992 thesis are yet to retract. The Indian discourses through the 1990s drew heavily from Fukuyama to throw overboard the scope for reinventing or reinterpreting ‘non-alignment’ in the post-Cold War setting and came to a rapid judgment that Russia belonged to the dustbin of history. Our discourses never really got updated despite Fukumaya’s own retraction.

Indeed, western commentators also fuelled the consequent sense of insecurity in Delhi through the 1990s by endorsing that India would never have a ‘Russia option’ again and Boris Yeltsin’s Russia itself was inexorably becoming an ‘ally’ of the west — and, therefore, what alternative is there for India but to take to the New American Century project? Remember the drama of the Bill Clinton administration arm-twisting Yeltsin not to give to India the cryogentic engines?

In sum, India got entrapped in a ‘unipolar predicament’. The best elucidation of this self-invited predicament has been the masterly work titled Crossing the Rubicon by Raja Mohan, which was of course widely acclaimed in the US. While releasing the book at a function in Delhi, the then National Security Advisor Brajesh Mishra even admitted that India’s main foreign policy challenge was somehow to engage the US’s “attention”.

Russia, of course, went on to prove our pundits completely wrong. Russia remerged as a global player and the evidence of it is today spread (and is poised to expand) all across global theatres — Libya, Syria, Iran, Central Asia, Afghanistan, etc.
Why I am underscoring all this is that I am strongly reminded of that sad chapter in the recent history of India’s foreign policy when I see the huge ‘psywar’ being let loose on Pakistan currently when that country too is at a crossroads with regard to its future policy directions in a highly volatile external enviornment.

In Pakistan’s case, the ‘psywar’ substitutes Russia with China. The US’s ‘Track II’ thesis is that China is hopelessly marooned in its own malaise so much so that it has no time, interest or resources to come to Pakistan’s aid, the two countries’ ‘all-weather friendship’ notwithstanding. Let me cull out two fine pieces of this ongoing ‘psywar’.

One is the lengthy article featured by America’s prestigious flag-carrier Foreign Affairs magazine in early December titled “China’s Pakistan conundrum”. Its argument is: ‘China will not simply bail out Pakistan with loans, investment, and aid, as those watching the deterioration of US-Pakistani relations seem to expect. China will pursue politics, security, and geopolitical advantage regardless of Islamabad’s preferences’. It puts forth the invidious argument that China’s real use for Pakistan is only to “box out New Delhi in Afghanistan and the broader region.”

Alongside the argument is the highly-tendentious vector that is beyond easy verification, namely, that US and China are increasingly ‘coordinating’ their policies toward Pakistan. Diplomacy is part dissimulation and we simply don’t know whether the US and China are even anywhere near beginning to ‘coordinate’ about ‘coordinating’ their regional policies in South Asia, especially with regard to Pakistan (and Afghanistan). The odds are that while the US and China may have some limited convergent interests, conceivably, their strategic interests are most certainly in sharp conflict.

A milder version of this frontal attack by US pundits on Pakistan’s existential dilemma appears in Michael Krepon’s article last week titled ‘Pakistan’s Patrons’, which, curiously, counsels Islamabad to follow India’s foreign-policy footsteps and make up with the US. Krepon literally suggests that the Pakistanis are living in a fool’s paradise.

The obvious thrust of this ‘psywar’ — strikingly similar to what India was subjected to in the 1990s — is that Pakistan has no option but to fall in line with the US regional strategies, as it has no real ‘China option’. The main difference between India and Pakistan is that the foreign policy elites in Islamabad — unlike their Indian counterparts — are not inclined to buy into the US argument with a willing suspension of disbelief. In a way, the Sino-Pakistan relationship is proving once again to be resilient. Pakistan is in no mood to get into a ‘unipolar predicament’, as the Indian elites willingly did in the 1990s.

Thus, the visit by the Chinese delegation led by State Councilor, Dai Bingguo to Islamabad at this point in time assumes much significance. Dai is one of the highest-ranking figures in the Chinese foreign-policy establishment and the fact he is leading a delegation that includes of senior Chinese military officials is very significant. Dai is scheduled to meet not only Pakistan’s political leadership at the highest level but also army chief Ashfaq Kayani and ISI head Ahmed Shuja Pasha.

Obviously, Beijing is making a big point through the timing of this visit as well, which, incidentally, is taking place at a time of great uncertainties in Pakistan’s internal affairs. When it comes to relations with China, it must be assumed that Pakistan’s civil and military leaderships are together.

Dai doesn’t really have a US counterpart as he is ranked above the FM. Arguably, it would be secretary of state Hillary Clinton. If so, to what extent Dai ‘coordinated’ his proposed visit with Clinton will be of particular interest. The future of the US’s ‘psywar’ on Pakistan is at stake.

The big question is whether this would be Dai’s last major trip to South Asia, as he is a key member of President Hu Jintao’s team and China is moving into a period of transition at the leadership level. Dai’s visit to Delhi for the Special Representatives meet was called off at the last minute.
Posted in Diplomacy, Politics.

Tagged with China-Pakistan, US-China, US-India, US-Pakistan, US-Russia.

By M K Bhadrakumar – December 23, 2011

Dai Bingguo heading for Islamabad - Indian Punchline

Back on topic Americans readiness is irrelevant lol

[Oldman1]

firstly,you told a big lie.at first you said your navy was hor to the horn of usa not china
secondly,you had no weapon to horn to the horn of usa
so stop trolling

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all their political decisions are in Tehran side.you can see it easily

Uh huh yeah sure.

[zer_0]

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we should have just nuked the Vietnamese back then . We were the first country had nuke and used it. if we wanted to rule the world, we would had just nuked everybody right after we bombed Japan. Frankly speaking, if we are willing to do whatever it takes to stop iran, we would nuke them and within a week iran is gone. Trust me when i say this, I am not even being creative.

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