Egypt mulls JF-17 co-production

[sami_1]

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let us under stand JF-17 Scale Down F-16 10 % and engine 70% Engine Power
WE have 220 F-16 and 20 or more Mirage 2000 Pulse Mirage F-1 so we need First Line fighter like F-15 Or SU-XX Family we have many threat like Ethiopian Uganda for need cut some of egypt water resources more 1000 Km far from Egypt for destroying Dams or illegal Project out international low we need some capable fighter

Plus Israel Have 100 F-15 we have tactical fighter and Multirole well age number we need air superiority fighter same class F-15 or higher plus isarel make deal for 75 F-35 so we will need fighter in same level also egypt will transfer F-16/Mirage-2000 to second class fighter and looking mainly for heave and deep strike fighter may be increase number upgraded Mirage-2000-9 from UAE For Replace Mirage-5 that will give all EAF interest For heavy weight Air superiority fighter

Israel Respect only power not agreement with egypt other wise we don't need to be like Syria Every year Israel Deep strike Inside Syria Border and now

Respect Powerful egypt how protect cold peace

for this reasons egypt need 4.5+ fighter and later 5th fighter we don't have gap for small multiroal fighter we have good enough 350 Fighter (F-16/Mirage 2000-F1-5 )

Even Pakistan looking for increase F-16/J-10 for good number and looking for Rafal or Euro-fighter but in lettle number no high requirements for Deep Strike Fighter India border near enough for Fighter F-16 or JF-17

there is different need in big number between Pakistan and egypt and level of threat how make different fighter required

IF Pakistan have egypt requirements why not

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Lets be real Sami,

The mirage2000 platform was a mistake for Egypt
18 mirages ? What is 18 mirages going to do ? Not much
The other mirages are even older then what Pakistan has with no upgrade so the Mirage fighters 60+18 planes are practically
death machines for pilots (Mirage is not upgraded with new avionics like in Pakistan)

Even the F16 fighters that Egypt have are one dimensional form one client , with the range of the radar/missile severely limited

Freedom Fighter & Mig 21
I mean these are better suited for Museams (85 PLANES)

So egypt is looking at major problem

A platform that is not avilable (Mirage 2000) Garbage lack of parts
60+85 planes absolutely obsolete (Mirage un upgraded + Migs) Garbage

So realistically Egypt NEEDS JF17 thunder

a) AESA radar upgrading option (With time)
b) Avionics package 20 years ahead of the obsolete playes
c) Option of engines upgrades

I see a solid contract for Pakistan + Eygyt for 150 JF17 fighters to replace the out dated 145 planes in Egypt airfroce Block 1 assembled in Pakistan

Benefits for Egyption Airforce
1) Day/Night capabilities
2) Laser guided bombings
3) Advance HUD
4) Multi platform Missiles
5) Performance

Tested in missions over desert areas , sea platform & urban missions

JF17 Thunder gives Egypt a 1/2 Punch ...

We are moving to J10B for Countering Indian Planes Sukhois

Israel has no Sukhois ... Nor is Egypt worried about Israel.

What JF17 offers on the table is Quantity , Performance , Reliability
Solid 4th generation plane that can be upgraded to 4.5 Generation in few years

[sami_1]

Lets be real Sami,

The mirage2000 platform was a mistake for Egypt
18 mirages ? What is 18 mirages going to do ? Not much
The other mirages are even older then what Pakistan has with no upgrade so the Mirage fighters 60+18 planes are practically
death machines for pilots (Mirage is not upgraded with new avionics like in Pakistan)

Even the F16 fighters that Egypt have are one dimensional form one client , with the range of the radar/missile severely limited

Freedom Fighter & Mig 21
I mean these are better suited for Museams (85 PLANES)

So egypt is looking at major problem

A platform that is not avilable (Mirage 2000) Garbage lack of parts
60+85 planes absolutely obsolete (Mirage un upgraded + Migs) Garbage

So realistically Egypt NEEDS JF17 thunder

a) AESA radar upgrading option (With time)
b) Avionics package 20 years ahead of the obsolete playes
c) Option of engines upgrades

I see a solid contract for Pakistan + Eygyt for 150 JF17 fighters to replace the out dated 145 planes in Egypt airfroce Block 1 assembled in Pakistan

Benefits for Egyption Airforce
1) Day/Night capabilities
2) Laser guided bombings
3) Advance HUD
4) Multi platform Missiles
5) Performance

Tested in missions over desert areas , sea platform & urban missions

JF17 Thunder gives Egypt a 1/2 Punch ...

We are moving to J10B for Countering Indian Planes Sukhois

Israel has no Sukhois ... Nor is Egypt worried about Israel.

What JF17 offers on the table is Quantity , Performance , Reliability
Solid 4th generation plane that can be upgraded to 4.5 Generation in few years

You underestimated Egyptian air force to try market some junk let us say some information


Mirage-2000 real number not publish just first deal announce
don't say no secret in the military world and don't forget egypt usual minimum number for any type not less than 40 for maintenance and logistic purpose and Egyptian Mirage-2000 at least better than any fighter your country have our country not cry about and any screw purchase only some USA deal publish for congress approval

and this source for 20+20 Mirage-2000 for egypt

1989 | 2542 | Flight Archive
Our mirage 2000 upgraded from deal signed 1998

even our Mirage-5 upgraded in tow deals for hours program 1 - 24 aircraft and hours 2 - 46 aircraft and finished 2007 and there is some source from Safran


Sagem (Safran group) proposes modernization solutions incorporating the best current technologies to upgrade the operational capabilities of the world’s combat aircraft to the state of the art

In addition to complete avionics overhauls as part of combat aircraft upgrade programs, Sagem’s modernization capabilities also encompass inertial navigation equipment, visible/infrared optronics, and onboard and ground-based digital processing systems (for weapon systems and mission planning systems, respectively).
Some of Sagem’s upgrade contracts include 24 Egyptian Mirage V fighters (Horus program), and Mirage F1 fighters for the Moroccan Air Force

SAFRAN

you speak about Egyptian F-16 all f-16 Since 1999 Upgraded to Block-40/42 and use APG68V8 not big difference for latest V9


and last Deal Dec-2009 for additional 20 F-16 Block52+ and latest Avionic available For F-16 and that mean approved for upgrade F-16 by nature




also Big Program Start for Upgarde F-16 Started first for 7 years program for F-16 Engine 156 For GE and 82 For PW Engine will be done In helwan Factory


air acdemey


MIG-21 Replacement part of them Already Replace With 40 Mig-29 SMT and we can jet Mirage -2000MK9 from UAE For better replacement and even Egyptian MIG-21 Upgraded in Ukrania With


Egypt and Yemen have hired a Ukrainian firm to upgrade most of their MiG-21 fighters. Egypt has 62 MiG-21s, while Yemen has 47. Egypt had earlier upgraded some of its MiG-21s with British electronics. The Ukrainian firm (Odesaremservis), will install a modern, digital, cockpit (flat panel color displays and far fewer switches and buttons to deal with). Installed under the aircraft will be a laser designator and camera so that the aircraft can deliver smart bombs.

The Ukrainian firm also offers the Sura targeting helmet, which enables the pilot to look at the target and fire a Russian R-73 heat seeking missile, that will then go after the target the pilot is looking at. If the MiG-21 is facing roughly equivalent aircraft, the Sura helmet makes the aircraft a much more effective dog-fighter.

The Ukrainian cockpit and targeting upgrade costs several million dollars per aircraft.
http://armiesofliberation.com/archiv...ternal/russia/


As usual JF-17 at any time will be least Performance fighter Bad Weight / Trust Ratio worst Smoke engine available in the market no AESA are you dreaming France Refuse RC-400 and you speak about AESA who are dreaming Chine not produce New AESA For Small Fighter even for J-10B Yet only True in future after how many year
Pakitan negotiate with China For 70-150 J-10 for 25 Million dollars Each and no Match Between J-10 and JF-17 If JF-17 Good whe Pakistan looking for many J-10 and aginst who Indian fighter crashed without touch not Isarel





EGyptian MIG-27 Model Same Level OF Fc-1 Project

Egyptian Mirage-F1 finley Egyptian air force relase photo and Role It in Egyptian Air force -Same Level FC-1

and you need read one report about

Market analysis JSF How many JSF’s will be produced?


Report prepared for members of Dutch Parliament September 2009

Middle East
Bahrain…………. 36
Egypt…………. 80
Israël…………. 100
Jordan ……… 48
Kuwait ………. 48
Saudi Arabia . 100
U.A.E…………….. 50

bye the way egypt not accept F-35 and have another solution for EAF

Pdf File available on internet

in near future you will find big surprise from Egyptian Side let us see what will happen


and last word We are not against JF-17 but only not fit for our requirements also Saudi arabia and algria Refuse JF-17 For F-5 replacement and Algerian MIG-29 supplement mean every body looking for sutible solution IF Available with Pakistan why not

[Khalid Ibn Walid]

Egypt is good friends with Israel so for them getting the f16 shouldn't be problem.which i think in way would be better for them.

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

@ Sami

Obsolete stuff


F-4 Phantom II - Obsolete (Only for bombing only), waste of pilot's life
Mig 21 - Obsolete , waste of pilot's life
Mirage - Obsolete , no major upgrade , waste of pilot's life no BVR

Dassault Mirage 2000 - Insufficient Numbers 18 not a factor great milage

Egypt F16
Lockheed F-16A (30) - we all know these are downgraded versions
Lockheed F-16B (7) - we all know these are downgraded versions
Lockheed F-16C (97) - ok
Lockheed F-16D (28) - ok

Reality:

Now what you could be flying ... forget about the Junk you have
the old Migs and the old Mirages (non rose upgrades)

JF-17 , Thunder WELCOME TO 2010
(Purhase as many as you Want, donate old planes to Lebnoon)
We won't put sanctions on Egypt want to use long range BVR great go ahead


Made in 2008/2009 New Fighter Plane
Head-Up Display (HUD)
electronic warfare (EW)
Missile approach warning (MAW)
counter-measures
self-protection radar jamming
NRIET KLJ-7 (Track 40 planes)J10 Class radar shoot 2-3 planes in one shot
beyond visual range (BVR)
Helmet Mounted Targeting of Enemy craft (Look and Shoot!!!)
FLIR (Forward Looking Infra-Red)
IRST (Infra-Red Search and Track)
Laser designator targeting pod




Choice of two engines
A) Russian
B) Advance Chinese Verion

Planned Upgrades:
Mid Air Refuelin
AESA Radars (Using Chinese AESA or British) prefer Chinese
Abiliy to Kill 8-10 planes simultaneous engagements

Also , JF17 project will try to reduce the plane's detection on radar





Please forget about F-35 there is no Fat chance that plane will be given to any nation other then Japan/Israel

We are looking for J10B , not J10 , becasue China and Pakistan go along way , one day you might enjoy that benefit too. But that trust comes after long period


May be if you are good boy we might arrange for joint mission with big daddy
100 % compatible with JF17 Thunder ...

[Luftwaffe]

mr. sami_1, so far you've not been invited to be part of negotiation with Pakistan for JF-17s..your a civilian and common man thinking what would be the outcome therefore all that you listed and explain had no real impact let Egyptian govt deal with it.

[hataf]

You underestimated Egyptian air force to try market some junk let us say some information


Mirage-2000 real number not publish just first deal announce
don't say no secret in the military world and don't forget egypt usual minimum number for any type not less than 40 for maintenance and logistic purpose and Egyptian Mirage-2000 at least better than any fighter your country have our country not cry about and any screw purchase only some USA deal publish for congress approval

and this source for 20+20 Mirage-2000 for egypt

Our mirage 2000 upgraded from deal signed 1998

even our Mirage-5 upgraded in tow deals for hours program 1 - 24 aircraft and hours 2 - 46 aircraft and finished 2007 and there is some source from Safran


Sagem (Safran group) proposes modernization solutions incorporating the best current technologies to upgrade the operational capabilities of the world’s combat aircraft to the state of the art

In addition to complete avionics overhauls as part of combat aircraft upgrade programs, Sagem’s modernization capabilities also encompass inertial navigation equipment, visible/infrared optronics, and onboard and ground-based digital processing systems (for weapon systems and mission planning systems, respectively).
Some of Sagem’s upgrade contracts include 24 Egyptian Mirage V fighters (Horus program), and Mirage F1 fighters for the Moroccan Air Force


you speak about Egyptian F-16 all f-16 Since 1999 Upgraded to Block-40/42 and use APG68V8 not big difference for latest V9


and last Deal Dec-2009 for additional 20 F-16 Block52+ and latest Avionic available For F-16 and that mean approved for upgrade F-16 by nature


also Big Program Start for Upgarde F-16 Started first for 7 years program for F-16 Engine 156 For GE and 82 For PW Engine will be done In helwan Factory


MIG-21 Replacement part of them Already Replace With 40 Mig-29 SMT and we can jet Mirage -2000MK9 from UAE For better replacement and even Egyptian MIG-21 Upgraded in Ukrania With


Egypt and Yemen have hired a Ukrainian firm to upgrade most of their MiG-21 fighters. Egypt has 62 MiG-21s, while Yemen has 47. Egypt had earlier upgraded some of its MiG-21s with British electronics. The Ukrainian firm (Odesaremservis), will install a modern, digital, cockpit (flat panel color displays and far fewer switches and buttons to deal with). Installed under the aircraft will be a laser designator and camera so that the aircraft can deliver smart bombs.

The Ukrainian firm also offers the Sura targeting helmet, which enables the pilot to look at the target and fire a Russian R-73 heat seeking missile, that will then go after the target the pilot is looking at. If the MiG-21 is facing roughly equivalent aircraft, the Sura helmet makes the aircraft a much more effective dog-fighter.

The Ukrainian cockpit and targeting upgrade costs several million dollars per aircraft.

As usual JF-17 at any time will be least Performance fighter Bad Weight / Trust Ratio worst Smoke engine available in the market no AESA are you dreaming France Refuse RC-400 and you speak about AESA who are dreaming Chine not produce New AESA For Small Fighter even for J-10B Yet only True in future after how many year
Pakitan negotiate with China For 70-150 J-10 for 25 Million dollars Each and no Match Between J-10 and JF-17 If JF-17 Good whe Pakistan looking for many J-10 and aginst who Indian fighter crashed without touch not Isarel


EGyptian MIG-27 Model Same Level OF Fc-1 Project

Egyptian Mirage-F1 finley Egyptian air force relase photo and Role It in Egyptian Air force -Same Level FC-1

and you need read one report about

Market analysis JSF How many JSF’s will be produced?


Report prepared for members of Dutch Parliament September 2009

Middle East
Bahrain…………. 36
Egypt…………. 80
Israël…………. 100
Jordan ……… 48
Kuwait ………. 48
Saudi Arabia . 100
U.A.E…………….. 50

bye the way egypt not accept F-35 and have another solution for EAF

Pdf File available on internet

in near future you will find big surprise from Egyptian Side let us see what will happen


and last word We are not against JF-17 but only not fit for our requirements also Saudi arabia and algria Refuse JF-17 For F-5 replacement and Algerian MIG-29 supplement mean every body looking for sutible solution IF Available with Pakistan why not

lets say u have a dispute with israel

in this case

will america give u the parts and plans
(we have practical experiance in 1965 and 1971 wars)
will france give u the parts and plans
will u be able to get plans on adhoc basis from soviet

will u be able to use these f16 againt isreal

do u have the assurity that isreal which is also using f-16 have not developed any jaming capability against your f-16 bvr and america or they their self did not gain any actual information about it for helping to develop such capability

one more than why your EAF going for jf-17

your personly owned sword is better than hired cannon

As usual JF-17 at any time will be least Performance fighter Bad Weight / Trust Ratio worst Smoke engine available in the market no AESA are you dreaming France Refuse RC-400 and you speak about AESA who are dreaming Chine not produce New AESA For Small Fighter even for J-10B Yet only True in future after how many year
Pakitan negotiate with China For 70-150 J-10 for 25 Million dollars Each and no Match Between J-10 and JF-17 If JF-17 Good whe Pakistan looking for many J-10 and aginst who Indian fighter crashed without touch not Isarel

america did not develop f22 just in one year it is the fruit of 60 to 70 years of stedy development . its a long and steady process

and as for us we have place the first brick and inshallah one day we will construct the whole building

and one more thing now no one i mean no one will impose instruction where to use it and where we can not

it our own bird developed with the help of china
and i dont know about others
but i am proud of it...........

[hataf]

and one more thing we also taking part in the development of fc-20(j10-b)

[hataf]

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[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Just shows what Chinese Avionics are capable of


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It would be amazing if we can use some of this next generation avionics being developed by Chinese Avionics firms

These would look fantastic on block 3 JF17 thunder!!!

[sami_1]

Only one Word I can Say Keep Dreaming Mr.AZADPAKISTAN2009

JF-17 Not Exceed Performance Even old Mirage 2000 Or F-16 if you speak about avionic
upgraded this fighter better than future JF-17 Blocks and leval of JF-17 not match any fighter in the market it entry level fighter 3629KG payload near for Yak-13/L-15 for comparison and Fc-1 80% performance of F-16A and Rd-93 OR not realty WS-13 China purchase second patch for Rd-93 because not able finished WS-13 and china looking for Ukrania For IL-9500 Engine Development insted of failur WS-13 beside WS-13 copy from RD-13


L-15 Cockpit

We Have Full Control for our Plan and you forget Egypt How Provide Pakistan With With Spare Parts For F-16 Pakistan Fleet and again you try play same game Egyptian F-16 all fleet from 1999 upgraded TO Block 40 go for http://www.f-16.net/f-16_users_article4.html and you can read what i say

and you forget our old staff we have may choices for upgraded with different countries
and egypt use Mirage before against Israel and F-16 we produce Most Spare parts in egypt and sure can use against Israel for real war

again when egypt will looking for new fighter for production in egypt will be in level M1 Abrams and we have another solution exchange M1A1/2 egyptian made with Saudi assemble Euro-fighter many option for egypt

We Have Many Chances For Select New Fighter Su-30/35 , MIG-29M1/2/35 ,J-10B China Propose J-10A Before For 30 Million Dollers Even Rafal Available all this Aircraft No Comparison With Something Called JF-17 WE are in 2010
France not aganist Selling Rafal for egypt many time try many times


You Want Sell Chinese Staff from your side we can go direct as before and you forget We Before Produce F-7 and F-6 and K-8E Without Pakistan if we need realy Fc-1 We can Go direct for The real owner for fighter CAC Why Go for Pakistan For 20% Pakistan Made and Pakistan Assemble you put some photo about chinese Avionic For J-XX Remember It Chinese not Pakistani you only agent for chinese product you put some investement in chinese product we can do same with not only Chinese but also with russian

Egypt Have upgraded E2-C hawk-eye AWACS Since 1987 because pakistan Purchase KLJ-2000 after 21 From egypt own you try again market Chinese staff and we have always other choices from West and East we some propaganda about limit ion for getting equipment if US Not provide us with our requirements We have many choices and many country like Russian Welcome for any Egyptian fighter purchase for high end SU-30/35 or Mig-35

JF-17 with there performance in level L-15 Same trust same avionic and same payload and cheaper $15 millions and AIDS can be integrated in L-15 AS JF-17 with little cost

and don't forget egypt economic trade with chine over 5 Billion dollars
and we have good military relation with china and you forget we before and untill now produce 360 Chinese aircraft in Egyptian factory we are not looking
for same level technology we have we need fighter for tomorrow even pakstina dreaming For JAS-39 C Or NG again looking for something real fighter

Mr.AZADPAKISTAN2009 you can say our fleet 200 F-16 and rest of egyptian fighter not wealthy have no future and downgraded because you believe isreal lie about egypt think for JF-17 keep dreaming

[Aeronaut]

I guess , Egyptians have eveluated JF-17 Thunder already and the deal is in progress because it " Fulfills EAF Requirements ".

I wish the Deal goes through but if the egyptians have other better options on hand i think they should excercise them ie : Rafale , Mig-35 or Su-35.

Innitially the Thunder was Tailored to meed PAF's specific requirements and to fit the bill , we gone through the project even when we could have bought a Euopean Solution.

Thunder is not an Export model unless we fulfill our home requirement first which could exceed 350-400 including all 3 Blocks.

I Think Egypt should not go with this deal if it does not fit their needs and they should keep relying upon western suppliers to ensure quality.

At the end "This is the best we have got to offer to a Brother nation" If you need it than nothing better than that , if it wont meet your Defense needs Dont Buy it.

Regards:



Exports.

[Aeronaut]

Sami.

We have heard that Israel has Source Codes for EAF F-16's .

Is that True or just a Hoax ?

[hataf]

Only one Word I can Say Keep Dreaming Mr.AZADPAKISTAN2009

JF-17 Not Exceed Performance Even old Mirage 2000 Or F-16 if you speak about avionic
upgraded this fighter better than future JF-17 Blocks and leval of JF-17 not match any fighter in the market it entry level fighter 3629KG payload near for Yak-13/L-15 for comparison and Fc-1 80% performance of F-16A and Rd-93 OR not realty WS-13 China purchase second patch for Rd-93 because not able finished WS-13 and china looking for Ukrania For IL-9500 Engine Development insted of failur WS-13 beside WS-13 copy from RD-13


L-15 Cockpit

We Have Full Control for our Plan and you forget Egypt How Provide Pakistan With With Spare Parts For F-16 Pakistan Fleet and again you try play same game Egyptian F-16 all fleet from 1999 upgraded TO Block 40 go for http://www.f-16.net/f-16_users_article4.html and you can read what i say

and you forget our old staff we have may choices for upgraded with different countries
and egypt use Mirage before against Israel and F-16 we produce Most Spare parts in egypt and sure can use against Israel for real war

again when egypt will looking for new fighter for production in egypt will be in level M1 Abrams and we have another solution exchange M1A1/2 egyptian made with Saudi assemble Euro-fighter many option for egypt

We Have Many Chances For Select New Fighter Su-30/35 , MIG-29M1/2/35 ,J-10B China Propose J-10A Before For 30 Million Dollers Even Rafal Available all this Aircraft No Comparison With Something Called JF-17 WE are in 2010
France not aganist Selling Rafal for egypt many time try many times


You Want Sell Chinese Staff from your side we can go direct as before and you forget We Before Produce F-7 and F-6 and K-8E Without Pakistan if we need realy Fc-1 We can Go direct for The real owner for fighter CAC Why Go for Pakistan For 20% Pakistan Made and Pakistan Assemble you put some photo about chinese Avionic For J-XX Remember It Chinese not Pakistani you only agent for chinese product you put some investement in chinese product we can do same with not only Chinese but also with russian

Egypt Have upgraded E2-C hawk-eye AWACS Since 1987 because pakistan Purchase KLJ-2000 after 21 From egypt own you try again market Chinese staff and we have always other choices from West and East we some propaganda about limit ion for getting equipment if US Not provide us with our requirements We have many choices and many country like Russian Welcome for any Egyptian fighter purchase for high end SU-30/35 or Mig-35

JF-17 with there performance in level L-15 Same trust same avionic and same payload and cheaper $15 millions and AIDS can be integrated in L-15 AS JF-17 with little cost

and don't forget egypt economic trade with chine over 5 Billion dollars
and we have good military relation with china and you forget we before and untill now produce 360 Chinese aircraft in Egyptian factory we are not looking
for same level technology we have we need fighter for tomorrow even pakstina dreaming For JAS-39 C Or NG again looking for something real fighter

Mr.AZADPAKISTAN2009 you can say our fleet 200 F-16 and rest of egyptian fighter not wealthy have no future and downgraded because you believe isreal lie about egypt think for JF-17 keep dreaming

look man its not us who asking the egypt to buy
but egypt wants to buy
so what is the point of argument
and does egypt is offered anythin with tot
mean it is offered to build f-16 with tot
it is offered to build mig-21 with tot
it is offered to build mig-29 with tot

any thing

yes you can go to china we dont mind because if u buy from them we will get our share
and one more thing if u by from china u will only have chinees avionics
but in case of pakistan u may have westron avionics

specs of L-15
General characteristics

Crew: 2 (1 student pilot and 1 instructor/official pilot (trainer), or 1 official pilot and 1 weapons systems officer
Length: 12.27 m ()
Wingspan: 9.48 m ()
Height: 4.81 m ()
Empty weight: 4.96 t (6.5 t)
Max takeoff weight: 9.5 t ()
Powerplant: 2× Ivchenko Progress AI-222K-25F afterburning turbofans
Performance

Maximum speed: Mach 1.4
Range: 3,100 km ()
Combat radius: Over 550+ km ()
Service ceiling: 16,000 m ()
Rate of climb: >200 m/s (afterburnering) ()
g-Limits: +8.0/-3.0 g

You Want Sell Chinese Staff from your side we can go direct as before and you forget We Before Produce F-7 and F-6 and K-8E Without Pakistan if we need realy Fc-1 We can Go direct for The real owner for fighter CAC Why Go for Pakistan For 20% Pakistan Made and Pakistan Assemble you put some photo about chinese Avionic For J-XX Remember It Chinese not Pakistani you only agent for chinese product you put some investement in chinese product we can do same with not only Chinese but also with russian

we never forget
but i think u for get this

1973 Arab-Israeli 'Yom Kippur' War
Main article: Yom Kippur War
During the war 16 PAF pilots volunteered to go to the Middle East in order to support Egypt and Syria but by the time they arrived, Egypt's and Syria's militaries had already been crushed by the IDF.

On 23 October 1973, PAF pilot Flt. Lt. M. Hatif on deputation to Egyptian Air Force (EAF) was flying a EAF MiG-21 in a defensive combat air patrol (CAP) over Egypt when he was vectored towards an intruding Israeli Air Force (IDF/AF) F-4 Phantom. In the ensuing dogfight, Flt. Lt. M. Hatif shot down the Israeli Phantom.[35]

Eight (8) PAF pilots started flying out of Syrian Airbases; they formed the A-flight of 67 Squadron at Dumayr Airbase. The Pakistani pilots flew Syrian MiG-21 aircraft conducting CAP missions for the Syrians.

On 26 April 1974, PAF pilot Flt. Lt. Sattar Alvi on deputation to No. 67 Squadron, Syrian Air Force (SAF) was flying a SAF MiG-21FL Fishbed (Serial No. 1863) out of Dumayr Air Base, Syria in a two-ship formation with a fellow PAF pilot and the Flight Leader, Sqn. Ldr. Arif Manzoor. The Ground Controller, also a PAF officer, Sqn. Ldr. Salim Metla, vectored the two PAF pilots to a formation of 2 Israeli Air Force Mirage IIICJs and 2 F-4 Phantoms that had intruded into Syrian airspace over the Golan Heights. In the engagement that took place at 1532 hours, Flt. Lt. Sattar Alvi shot down an Israeli Mirage IIICJ using his MiG-21's R(K)-13 Air-to-Air Missile. The pilot of the downed Israeli Mirage was Capt. M. Lutz of No. 5 Air Wing, who ejected. The remaining Israeli fighters aborted the mission. The 2 IAF Mirage IIICJs were from Hatzor AFB and the 2 IAF F-4 Phantoms were from No. 1 Air Wing, Ramat David AFB, Israel.[36][37]

Flt. Lt. A. Sattar Alvi became the first Pakistani pilot, during the Yom Kippur War, to shoot down an Israeli Mirage in air combat.He was honored by the Syrian government.[38] Other aerial encounters involved Israeli F-4 Phantoms; Pakistan Air Force did not lose a single pilot or aircraft during this war.

when ever the time came we helped you with our blood
and we will in future
but you u r saying our plan crap
we dont like it

[Aeronaut]

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hataf : no need to get emo , take it easy.