JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 4]

[ptldM3]

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Munir believes that Pakistan may be able to acquire higher thrust engines for its Block 2 JF-17s. He points to the Russian RD-33 MK being marketed in Zhuhai. Munir indicates that a TVC equipped JF-17 can reduce drag in ACM, lower RCS due to less pronounced movement of control surfaces, shorten takeoffs and landings and do amazing aerobatics.

He also left out specific fuel consumption the RD-33 is more efficient in afterburner while maintaining more thrust. 0.77 lb/(lbf·h)) military thrust 2.05 lb/(lbf·h)) with reheat vs. (0.77 lb/(lbf·h)), 188 kg/(kN·h) (1.85 lb/(lbf·h)). The RD-33MK also has superior MTBO as well as service life. Better fuel consumption equates to cheaper operating cost, less maintenance and longer service life also means cheaper operating cost and less down time for maintenance.

[razgriz19]

dammit i knew french would handy...
shoulda paid more attention in class. =D

any idea what he's talking about?

[PWFI]

dammit i knew french would handy...
shoulda paid more attention in class. =D

any idea what he's talking about?

Few major points:
-New chinese fighter , developed in collaboration with pakistanis
-JF-17 is low cost aircraft 15 millions $ 5-6 time cheaper than rafale
-Old technologie, even chinese wanted to change his avionics, and call for help to ATE a french company (radar thales and armament from MBDA
-But it's not going to heppen because offical says we wouldn't give access or our technologie to chinese, and even less to pakistanis for not disturbing our relations with india !

ps: the way this guy's is talking, i am 100% sure he know nothing about chinese equipment and JF-17 !!

[Taygibay]

Generally agreed with PWFI save reservations on the post scriptum.

If India had finished the (M)MRCA or the Rafale been cut out,
who knows but the Chinese part would still be there.

The J-17 should move from China to Pakistan for production entirely.
Then, maybe ...

Good day all, Tay.

[razgriz19]

hypothetically speaking IF India goes for typhoon, France will offer its avionics suit to PAF the very next day...

[Cool_Soldier]

Yes agree, France is always think in business term.But after Chinese avionics and and advance radar we do not need their offer.
Most probably for political reasons India will opt French Rafael.

[Emmie]

Yes agree, France is always think in business term.But after Chinese avionics and and advance radar we do not need their offer.
Most probably for political reasons India will opt French Rafael.

I agree......most likely

[epinephrine]

france cancelled the deal pg providing the avionics suite for the thunder under indian pressure n now we should pay back in the same coin by rejecting their offer,although it is unlikely that france will offer us anything for JFT

[abaseen99]

JF-17 Dubai Air Show Participation Officially Confirmed.
Posted on October 25, 2011 by Admin
JF-17 will be at Dubai Airshow. CATIC President Za Zhipang had suggested this in June during the Paris Airshow. Official list of participants was published on Dubai Airshow website.



The list:

Company Aircraft
328 Support Services Donier 328-300SN 3209
Abu Dhabi Aviation AW 139
Adcom Systems Shaheen B
Adcom Systems Yabhon R
Adcom Systems Yabhon – HMD
Adcom Systems Yabhon – N
Adcom Systems Yabhon – GRN
Adcom Systems Yabhon – GRN 2
Airbus/Comlux ACJ320-214
Alenia/Finnmeccanica C-27J Spartan
Alenia/Finnmeccanica M346 T346A
Alenia/Finnmeccanica M346 T346A
Bell Helictoper/Textron Bell Helicopter 407AH
Bell Helictoper/Textron Bell Helicopter MV-22 Tiltrotor Osprey
Bell Helictoper/Textron Bell Helicopter 429
Boeing B737-7ES AEW&C (Turkish AF)
Boeing AH-64 Apache Longbow Helicopter
Boeing B787-8
Cessna Aircraft Company Citation X
Cessna Aircraft Company Citation CJ4
Cessna Aircraft Company Citation Sovereign
Cessna/Wallan Aviation Citation X
Dassault Aviation Falcon 2000LX
Dassault Aviation Falcon 7X
Diamond D40
Diamond D-Jet mock up
Diamond/Horizon D42 NG
Embraer s/a EMB-145
Empire Aviation Group Hawker 850XP
Empire Aviation Group Legacy 600 EMB-135BJ
Eurocopter/EADS AS 350B
Executive Aircraft Service Hawker 800XP
Hawker Beechcraft Beechcraft T-6C
Hawker Beechcraft Beechcraft Premier 1A
Hawker Beechcraft Kingair 250
Hawker Beechcraft Kingair 350
Hawker Beechcraft Kingair 350ER
Hawker Beechcraft Kingair 350i
Hawker Beechcraft Hawker 900XP
Hawker Beechcraft Hawker 4000
L-3 Communications BE 350 King Air
Midex Airlines B747-228F
Midex Airlines A300B4-203F
MW Airplane Corporation BV Dassault Falcon, 2000LX EASy
MW Airplane Corporation BV Dassault Falcon, 2000LX EASy
Pakistan Aeronautical Complex Karakuram-8
Pakistan Aeronautical Complex Karakuram-8
Pakistan Aeronautical Complex Super Mushshak
Pakistan Aeronautical Complex Super Mushshak
Pakistan Aeronautical Complex JF-17 Thunder
Pakistan Aeronautical Complex JF-17 Thunder
Pakistan Aeronautical Complex JF-17 Thunder
Pilatus PC 12
Pilatus PC 21
Pilatus PC 21
Qatar Airways B777-200
Qatar Airways Bombardier Global 5000
Rafale Rafale
Rafale Rafale
Rafale Rafale
Royal Jet/ Abu Dhabi Aviation BBJ/B737-700
Safat Safat 02 light helicopter (AK1-3)
Safat Safat 03 light aircraft
Vulcanair SPA AP68TP-600 A-viator
Vulcanair SPA SF600FJF-17 Thunder Multi-role Fighter Aircraft

[MastanKhan]

france cancelled the deal pg providing the avionics suite for the thunder under indian pressure n now we should pay back in the same coin by rejecting their offer,although it is unlikely that france will offer us anything for JFT

Hi,

It doesnot work like that in the international forum----nations don't make enemies like children do-----. All nations have their difficult moment---whomsoever you may dislike---you never dislike the french---you never make an enemy out of them----they will always come back like lost lovers do.

[Donatello]

JF-17 Dubai Air Show Participation Officially Confirmed.
Posted on October 25, 2011 by Admin
JF-17 will be at Dubai Airshow. CATIC President Za Zhipang had suggested this in June during the Paris Airshow. Official list of participants was published on Dubai Airshow website.



The list:

Company Aircraft
328 Support Services Donier 328-300SN 3209
Abu Dhabi Aviation AW 139
Adcom Systems Shaheen B
Adcom Systems Yabhon R
Adcom Systems Yabhon – HMD
Adcom Systems Yabhon – N
Adcom Systems Yabhon – GRN
Adcom Systems Yabhon – GRN 2
Airbus/Comlux ACJ320-214
Alenia/Finnmeccanica C-27J Spartan
Alenia/Finnmeccanica M346 T346A
Alenia/Finnmeccanica M346 T346A
Bell Helictoper/Textron Bell Helicopter 407AH
Bell Helictoper/Textron Bell Helicopter MV-22 Tiltrotor Osprey
Bell Helictoper/Textron Bell Helicopter 429
Boeing B737-7ES AEW&C (Turkish AF)
Boeing AH-64 Apache Longbow Helicopter
Boeing B787-8
Cessna Aircraft Company Citation X
Cessna Aircraft Company Citation CJ4
Cessna Aircraft Company Citation Sovereign
Cessna/Wallan Aviation Citation X
Dassault Aviation Falcon 2000LX
Dassault Aviation Falcon 7X
Diamond D40
Diamond D-Jet mock up
Diamond/Horizon D42 NG
Embraer s/a EMB-145
Empire Aviation Group Hawker 850XP
Empire Aviation Group Legacy 600 EMB-135BJ
Eurocopter/EADS AS 350B
Executive Aircraft Service Hawker 800XP
Hawker Beechcraft Beechcraft T-6C
Hawker Beechcraft Beechcraft Premier 1A
Hawker Beechcraft Kingair 250
Hawker Beechcraft Kingair 350
Hawker Beechcraft Kingair 350ER
Hawker Beechcraft Kingair 350i
Hawker Beechcraft Hawker 900XP
Hawker Beechcraft Hawker 4000
L-3 Communications BE 350 King Air
Midex Airlines B747-228F
Midex Airlines A300B4-203F
MW Airplane Corporation BV Dassault Falcon, 2000LX EASy
MW Airplane Corporation BV Dassault Falcon, 2000LX EASy
Pakistan Aeronautical Complex Karakuram-8
Pakistan Aeronautical Complex Karakuram-8
Pakistan Aeronautical Complex Super Mushshak
Pakistan Aeronautical Complex Super Mushshak
Pakistan Aeronautical Complex JF-17 Thunder
Pakistan Aeronautical Complex JF-17 Thunder
Pakistan Aeronautical Complex JF-17 Thunder
Pilatus PC 12
Pilatus PC 21
Pilatus PC 21
Qatar Airways B777-200
Qatar Airways Bombardier Global 5000
Rafale Rafale
Rafale Rafale
Rafale Rafale
Royal Jet/ Abu Dhabi Aviation BBJ/B737-700
Safat Safat 02 light helicopter (AK1-3)
Safat Safat 03 light aircraft
Vulcanair SPA AP68TP-600 A-viator
Vulcanair SPA SF600FJF-17 Thunder Multi-role Fighter Aircraft

a 777-200? Seriously?

[ufone]

A/A
Friends i have heard somewhere in a forum that jf 17 single engine stealth project has be shelved, so will u conferm it?. I think it is actually a wise step because a single engine stealth varient will b made for export purpose. I think the funds should b diverted for making laser or electromegnatic weaponary or like with china if any such programme is running and if funds r avaliable.
Thanks

[Raftar]

Hi,

It doesnot work like that in the international forum----nations don't make enemies like children do-----. All nations have their difficult moment---whomsoever you may dislike---you never dislike the french---you never make an enemy out of them----they will always come back like lost lovers do.

10,000% agree

[S-A-B-E-R->]

A/A
Friends i have heard somewhere in a forum that jf 17 single engine stealth project has be shelved, so will u conferm it?. I think it is actually a wise step because a single engine stealth varient will b made for export purpose. I think the funds should b diverted for making laser or electromegnatic weaponary or like with china if any such programme is running and if funds r avaliable.
Thanks

dude what ever forum u r reading is serious crap we cant even make a jet engin and u talk abt lazer amd Emp weapons funny.about the stealth Jf17 the project isnt even out of paper form how can it be shelved.

[Taygibay]

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Agreed with Mastakhan and Raftar too.
If the MMRCA had been completed in time, for instance,
the political game might have allowed for JF-17 upgrade
by France.
But it ties in nicely with S-A-B-E-R's point too in that the
expertise is built on parts and systems first.
So that Pakistan has to find a program it can launch in-house
with cooperation, be it a motor or a weapon system and
get the tech savvy from it before going on to a second one
AND THEN proceed to attempt a full blown local development.

If one of those was autonomous ( read : China not involved )
the fears of technology leaking to the Eastern giant would be
greatly reduced and more up-to-date equipment would suddenly
be available.
Assembly of JF-17 is a first step only. It has to go further.

There are no reason why this cannot become a reality if the
political will is implemented.
Partenership with other BRIC members like Brazil* could also be
envisioned to promote that learning process and open export
possibilities to Pakistan in the near future.


Good day all, Tay.

*Brazil made components and Tucanos and took part in the AMX
before being able to ask for a local assembly of the Rafale.