JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 4]

[hasnain0099]

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Concept image of the upcoming 2 seat variant of the fc-1, block II.

Looks like the canopy of L-15 than JFT, Two seater would need certain design changes since one would have to at least compensate for the both structural as well as space impact of second seat.

[fatman17]

Looks like the canopy of L-15 than JFT, Two seater would need certain design changes since one would have to at least compensate for the both structural as well as space impact of second seat.

one would need to lengthen the fuselage to make room for the back-seat just like FT-7PG

[fatman17]

Date Posted: 24-Feb-2012

Pakistan bullish about JF-17 exports


Farhan Bokhari Correspondent - Islamabad


Pakistan is confident of finding overseas buyers for the JF-17 Thunder


Pakistani officials have confirmed Chinese assertions that the co-produced Chengdu Aerospace Corporation (CAC)/Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) JF-17 Thunder fighter aircraft could be exported to at least one African and one Asian customer by 2017-2018.

Ma Zhiping, president of China's Chengdu Aerospace Corporation (CAC), told IHS at the 2012 Singapore Airshow that China expected to sell up to 300 of the multirole aircraft to "Middle Eastern and African" countries, without naming the likely clients.

The Pakistan Air Force plans to induct at least 150 JF-17s, although this number could increase to 250. Pakistan has also negotiated the purchase of at least two squadrons of the CAC J-10 Meng Long fighter aircraft from China, although a contract has not yet been concluded.

"In today's fighter plane market, the JF-17 clearly has an edge. For a modest price, you get all the quality that you buy from Western suppliers," a Pakistani official told IHS. "For a country which is conscious about costs, buying the JF-17 makes infinitely more sense than any other fighter plane."

While both Chinese and Pakistani officials have compared the JF-17 with the Lockheed Martin F-16 Fighting Falcon, Western defence officials say the comparison is unfair. "Maybe you can compare the JF-17 to an earlier version of the F-16 but not the most modern one," said a Western defence official in Islamabad. Later-model F-16s fitted with an active electronically scanned array radar have an obvious capability edge over the JF-17, while US officials would also point to the reliability of the F-16's F110-GE-129 powerplant.

He added that Egypt and Malaysia were among the countries rumoured to have shown an interest in purchasing the JF-17. Sudan and Zimbabwe have also previously been mentioned as potential customers.

[ANG]

one would need to lengthen the fuselage to make room for the back-seat just like FT-7PG

Hi, to add to the above point. Whenever a two seater plane is made, there tends to be a reduction in combat capabilities, unless the powerplant is improved. The second seat takes up the space of existing electrontics and/or fuel tanks. The work around usually is, reducing the electronic capability or the combat range of the 2-seater (less fuel). For example, the earlier MiG-29UBs had no radar, and were not combat capable due to the space occuppied by the back seat.

The other fix is to keep all the existing electronics and fuel tanks displaced, and increase the size of the dorsal spine of the plane to accomodate them there. However, this increases the weight of the new plane, and unless the powerplant output increases, the thrust to weight ratio is degraded.

[HANI]

The Chengdu works of Avic’s combat aircraft subsidiary is developing a two-seat version of the JF-17 Thunder fighter in cooperation with the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex, say Chinese industry executives.
The two-seater will be adaptable for conversion training and combat roles, they say, though as a fighter it will not perform as well as the single-seat version. The JF-17 is being built in a joint program with Pakistan for the Pakistan Air Force. The program, which began, unusually, without a conversion trainer, will deliver about 100 JF-17s to Pakistan, the executives say.

Development of the two-seater has not advanced to a point at which Avic International, the export division of Avic, could sign a contract for delivery, the executives say, adding that they were unsure when the aircraft would be available. The single-seat version was designed with development of a two-seater in mind, they say.
Attempts at exporting the JF-17 would be greatly helped by an order, and therefore endorsement, from the Chinese air force, but the service is still evaluating the JF-17. It began doing so three or four years ago, the executives say, adding that the air force was not even telling them exactly what it wanted.

The JF-17, also called FC-1 Xiaolong, is a relatively small fighter with a normal takeoff weight of 9.1 tons (20,100 lb.) and a single Russian engine, the 19,200 lb.-thrust Klimov RD-93, a derivative of the MiG-29’s RD-33. A key selling point of the JF-17 is that it is much cheaper than Western aircraft such as the Saab Gripen, says Avic International.
Avic, Pakistan Working On JF-17 Two-Seater | AVIATION WEEK

[cb4]

The Chengdu works of Avic’s combat aircraft subsidiary is developing a two-seat version of the JF-17 Thunder fighter in cooperation with the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex, say Chinese industry executives.
The two-seater will be adaptable for conversion training and combat roles, they say, though as a fighter it will not perform as well as the single-seat version. The JF-17 is being built in a joint program with Pakistan for the Pakistan Air Force. The program, which began, unusually, without a conversion trainer, will deliver about 100 JF-17s to Pakistan, the executives say.

Development of the two-seater has not advanced to a point at which Avic International, the export division of Avic, could sign a contract for delivery, the executives say, adding that they were unsure when the aircraft would be available. The single-seat version was designed with development of a two-seater in mind, they say.
Attempts at exporting the JF-17 would be greatly helped by an order, and therefore endorsement, from the Chinese air force, but the service is still evaluating the JF-17. It began doing so three or four years ago, the executives say, adding that the air force was not even telling them exactly what it wanted.

The JF-17, also called FC-1 Xiaolong, is a relatively small fighter with a normal takeoff weight of 9.1 tons (20,100 lb.) and a single Russian engine, the 19,200 lb.-thrust Klimov RD-93, a derivative of the MiG-29’s RD-33. A key selling point of the JF-17 is that it is much cheaper than Western aircraft such as the Saab Gripen, says Avic International.
Avic, Pakistan Working On JF-17 Two-Seater | AVIATION WEEK

What does this mean? and how?
If thats the case then maybe we should get L-15 instead.

[ChristopherJ]

When is China going to deliver those 50 JF-17 s, So you don't have to rely on the Americans anymore?


megacombat.net/f-16-upgrades-for-pakistan-or-india-continued-dominance/

[wanglaokan]

Maybe in the middle of this year.

[wanglaokan]

PAF buy fc20 doesn't mean it will get rid of f16. PAF will learn how to build a 4.5 generation air combat plane from acquiring fc20.china will transfer the technology to Pakistan instead of just selling a plane.

[illusion8]

day after tomorrow.

As for as i know 4-5 squarden of LCA are operational..m i right?

LOL what was that for?????

[Tempest II]

What does this mean? and how?

Check this post by ANG http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakista...ml#post2633969 , two posts below your question.

[Pak47]

I have read rumors of J-21.

Thanks To abdul bhai..



Is this the version J-2X Pak will be acquiring? I noticed.. it has twin engines.. Ik, its off topic, but would like insight from here.

[razgriz19]

Check this post by ANG http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakista...ml#post2633969 , two posts below your question.

not just that but also bigger canopy creates a lot drag. Mig 29UB cant do sustained short radius turns compare to single seat mig.
saw it in a documentary...

[cb4]

not just that but also bigger canopy creates a lot drag. Mig 29UB cant do sustained short radius turns compare to single seat mig.
saw it in a documentary...

How about F-16 B and D? What will be the differences? D (2 seat) with CFT and other structural changes can sounds interesting....

[razgriz19]

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How about F-16 B and D? What will be the differences? D (2 seat) with CFT and other structural changes can sounds interesting....

thats exactly the problem is..
structural changes.....they would take a lot of time and money. the cost may also spike!