Can someone tell me plz that will jft-2 have AESA and CFT?????????? I M very much confused.
OK THANKS 4 REPLY.But i have read on some page that italian AESA radar is also conteder...WILL PAF GO FOR IT?
Last edited by danish falcon; 03-21-2012 at 07:14 PM.
About AESA in Block II, this news is classified as for now. The most likely chances are, yet more modified version of KLJ-07 radar.
Pakistan earlier wanted to go for European (Not US) AESA radar for the JF-17, but the price would take a huge jump and AESA.OK THANKS 4 REPLY.But i have read on some page that italian AESA radar is also conteder...WILL PAF GO FOR IT?
Intersting post. While I cant deny the palusibility of your argument, may I point out that it is the numbers game which ruined USSR. It is a standard ploy of great nations to challange their adversaries into buying bigger and better than them, till your debtors run away from you or After you( dependiong on your size!!) . It is also worthy of knowing the role that you will be playing in a war, either a defensive role or an offensive role. Roughly, from what i have learnt from a few Ex PAF guys, you need a 3:1 ratio fof armaments to be able to attack effectively. with Big fighters like SUs this ratio might come down a bit to 1.5:1 to 2:1 but does not attain unity. therefore PAFs logic has always been to deter the enemy from attacking rather than taking the fight to the enemy, You just dont have the numbers to do so. Even if you usurp some territory and hold it, you will still fight defensively. As such the numbers that you project will probably never be required .
Second part of this argument is the nuclear arm, which will ensure that the war never lasts as long as it used to. All the friendship treaties and war pacts and no first use will go down the tube once sabres are drawn__ such is the lack of trust between the two nations. As such you will not have much of a country left to fight a war from, after the first 2-3 days. This is the one factor that must be inthe mind of the strategists as well. Unlike other optimists, i thinkthat IF there is a war in the subcontinent in the future, it would involve nuclear weapons from the very outset,which would make life very difficult for everybody. if you take that into consideration you satart to make sense of how Pakistan and PAF is doing things.
before you hammer me, I will gladly accept that the answer lies in more efficient and honest approach to wards a solution and the economics of Pakistan is the factor we need to emphasise on the mostto achieve our aims of a strong defence.
-Cost factor is important not only for PAF but for every country that has an economy that cannot afford the likes of newer F-16's,Mig-29's and such....
-Well "not up to par" I dont think so...see at the time which was the top jet of PAF when JF-17 was inducted..F-16A (cost reportedly 13-15 million as per wiki and others not that i trust em..)
since im relatively new and my words are not the important ... therefore I'll be quoting a think tank on this
it was about 1.6 Billion$ deal (including missiles,electronics and various subsystems) and it was for 50 jets ... which basically means 32 million per jet at that to the basic cost (if u take it as 15m) avionics you get 47 million...
However this also includes the cost of the subsystems and avionics of the blk-I (which features chinese equipment so to be fair it wouldve cost us around 40-45 Million per piece)
Now lets compare that to what the new blk-52's
This is near 83 million per plane....qouting Hkhan from pakdef
36 F-16 C/D Block 52+ contract was for approximately $3 billion.
Now consider what would JF-17 wouldve looked like if it was to get all those upgrades
-Spectra EW suite
-MICA BVR missiles
-Different avionics on board French M2k and rafale
Pretty much up to the class (or even surpassing) the Blk-52 - the payload and still 35-40 million less (i.e cost effective)....
So basically after all this ranting
my basic point is still this
"JF-17 for its given cost is the best in its class"
Last edited by abdulbarijan; 03-21-2012 at 09:50 PM.
when these 50 JF17 gona be deliverd yar to dam slow prodution
Nuclear war heads are end gamers---they are indeed major major weapons per say---but they are non conventional major weapon systems---they take things beyond the realm of reality---. Their manufacture and presence or a plan to manufacture can be politicized to the disadvantage of the nation that owns them---like pakistan---no korea---iran. To stay within the realm of reality you have air superiority aircraft, submarines, navy ships, missile systems, tanks, helicopters etc etc etc.
In actual warfare between two nation that have access to an ocean / sea---the submarines will be the game changers---. But as they are not visible in daily life----like a fighter aircraft taking off and landing or just flying by over the cities---their significant importance will only be known when it gets too late to act.
Fighter aircraft on the other hand strut around like peacocks---. And if you want to impress upon the adversary---you got to show up with something bigger, or technologically superior.
The pak nuc program had nothing to do with israel----I don't know from where and why you pulled that out---
Second point is whats the benefit of comparing JF-17 with old F-16 or mig 29,? The comparisons would have been justified if jf-17 introduced 10 years ago when BVR,AESA, Advance electronic warfare capability were nascent concepts. Now the envirnment has changed, adversary capabilities have changed, they will have AESA and IRST capable fighters then how JF-17 small size and RCS would help it?
In my humble opinion, with the changing environment and capabilities of adversary. PAF should have dropped the cost effective approch and should have pushed the enevelop of JF-17 in block 2 but alas. . . . Economy and Money has restricted it to maintain the cost effective approch
Nuclear technology have two uses... energy and bomb.
Pakistan need energy,,, more than any country on the world and regardless to what media says Pakistan need to have independent energy policy and development in nuclear field.
Where as on war side.. India is quietly getting nuclear technology from Europe and US... and Pakistan's foreign office criminally quite on it.
Last edited by BATMAN; 03-21-2012 at 11:29 PM.
As the saying goes "something is better than nothing'.
-As for your second argument, does that even matter with us operating platforms like Mirage III/V or F-7 P/PG's ..
They "will" have....Will is the key word here...the closest our adversary can get to an AESA is by the time frame of 2015 with the MMRCA deliveries...By 2016(as per Dubai info releases) Block III would be ready and production will start...
-You are entitled to your opinion brother but lets just say it should have a shred of reality too...How can we raise the envelop of JF-17 more higher than its already defined when even our Block I's are there thanks to China's agreement of soft loans....
Last edited by abdulbarijan; 03-22-2012 at 12:08 AM.
I think people forget that the JF-17 is part of a much bigger air defense umbrella that involves everything from Surface to Air systems, AWACs, Air Crafts and Battlefield Missiles and all of them would be acting in unison to deter any aggression. Plus, I believe, the deep strike capability is going to be delegated less to our air crafts and more to our missiles with the enemy's FOBs being targeted by our SRBMs and anything further delegated to the MRBMs !
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