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    NEW YORK: India and Pakistan were secretly negotiating a deal on Kashmir prior to February 2007 and were surprisingly close to adopting a solution proposed by former Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf, diplomats at the US embassy in New Delhi wrote in a confidential cable newly released by WikiLeaks.

    According to the cable dated 21 April 2009, Singh told a delegation led by US House Foreign Affairs Committee chairman Howard Berman that the two countries had achieved a breakthrough. The uncensored cable released by WikiLeaks quotes the Indian Prime Minister as saying: “We had reached an understanding in back-channels, in which Musharraf had agreed to a non-territorial solution to Kashmir that included freedom of movement and trade.”


    It appears that Pakistan would have been willing to give up its claim to Kashmir if India had agreed to a self-government plan for the disputed Himalayan region. Both Pakistan and India have claimed the whole of Kashmir — split by the Line of Control into a Pakistani-controlled sector to the north and a larger Indian-run area in the centre and south — since the end of British rule in 1947.

    Musharraf, in his 2006 memoir In the Line of Fire, first discussed a “four-point solution” to Kashmir. The plan envisaged no changes to the region’s borders, the de-militarisation of the region and curbing all militant parts of the freedom struggle, self-governance for Kashmiris and a joint supervision mechanism controlled by Pakistanis, Indians and Kashmiris to oversee the self-governance of subjects common to all the regions.

    Former Indian prime minister Atal Behari Vajpayee tried to seek a resolution on the question of Kashmir but the much-hyped Agra Summit in 2001 floundered disastrously. Singh was clearly closer than Vajpayee to achieving a breakthrough with Musharraf, but that window of opportunity is now shut. Pakistan is much less inclined now to make future concessions over Kashmir as it is building strategic depth in Afghanistan.

    It is no secret that the US is waiting to cut-and-run from Afghanistan, so it is clearly Advantage Pakistan in a post-NATO Afghan scenario where Pakistan is perceived as the resurgent Taliban’s greatest ally. During Afghan President Hamid Karzai’s era, India poured billions of dollars to rebuild Afghanistan and gain influence, but with the Taliban coming back, India is likely to experience a reversal of fortunes. Pakistan’s military, diplomats and bureaucrats know India will be swiftly on the back foot in Afghanistan.

    “That Musharraf’s Kashmir formula, which in effect gave the region dominion status under a joint Indo-Pakistani dispensation, and which the Indian prime minister Manmohan Singh almost accepted, has been lying on the wayside for the previous four years indicates that Pakistan seeks more from any future deal,” South Asia expert Sunil Sharan wrote in The Huffington Post.

    India is also quite comfortable with the status quo on Kashmir. The pressure to resolve the decades-old dispute over Kashmir has always come from the West fanned by Pakistani diplomacy. India, on the other hand, has always tried to explain to the US state department (and anyone who will care to listen) that Pakistan, and not Kashmir, is the real problem that needs to be fixed to prevent another 9/11 or Mumbai attacks.

    Parag Khanna of the New America Foundation, and author of How to Run the World, which turns on its head much of the assumed reality of 21st Century power, says India needs to shift its approach to Kashmir in the way China has recently won over Taiwan — by buying its loyalty.

    “The Manmohan Singh government came to power a half-decade ago promising over $5 billion in rehabilitation spending for Kashmir — at the time, it really seemed as though the situation would turn a corner in terms of stability and a sense of normalisation within India,” Khanna told Firstpost.

    “But today the situation has again fallen into a fragile and dangerous state. Indian leaders still need to fulfill decades-old pledges to win over Kashmir the way China increasingly does with respect to Taiwan. This would be even more feasible if both India and Pakistan would declare the so-called Line of Control the official border before pursuing more goodwill missions across it. Opening official borders in the long term means more than unofficial ones in the short term,” added Khanna.

    http://www.firstpost.com/politics/pa...mir-75981.html
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    Hope the terrorists from Pakistan do not stop the peace talks this time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gautam View Post
    Hope the terrorists from Pakistan do not stop the peace talks this time.
    We should not be detterred by extremist and or terrorist from any side. If we do we play into their hands

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    IF the OP article is correct then Pakistan should not try to maximize its position on Kashmir and both countries should try to go back to the near-agreement between Musharraff-Manmohan. Pakistan gaining a strategic-depth in Afghanistan is not going to be good if we are back to the pre-9/11 era where there are proxy-wars.
    But, frankly, I am astonished that so little attention has been paid to what Musharraf-Manmohan were able to achieve to solve/shelve an issue which is the heart of the problems facing Pakistan and the region.
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    Frankly , even I would be happy to see the Mushi Manimohan deal on kashmir being finalised
    But sadly Mushi is out of office and unlikely to return with so many people against him in PAk
    Lets hope , if and when Imran Khan comes to power and Kayani retires peacefully ie without and coupe attempt , then we can sign the proposed deal on Kashmir

    Also u guys should hope that , unlike what Opinion polls sugest , BJP should not come to power in India

    Becoz BJP Top brass will close down all overtures made by Manmohan
    Also BJPs likely Prime Minister is Mrs Sushma Swarag , also known as the Saas of Indian Parliament or Belan wali Mother inlaw
    She is also someone who can make Indira Gandhi look like a kind old women

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    musharraf was a traitor, good riddence, pakistan's onyl stance should be to let kashmiris determine there future, remaining with india is acceptable, getting freed is also accpetable, joing pakistan is more than welcome, the solution which doesnt involve kashmiri is just plain treason, because for 60 plus years pakistan has stood still on its kashmiri plans

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meengla View Post
    IF the OP article is correct then Pakistan should not try to maximize its position on Kashmir and both countries should try to go back to the near-agreement between Musharraff-Manmohan. Pakistan gaining a strategic-depth in Afghanistan is not going to be good if we are back to the pre-9/11 era where there are proxy-wars.
    But, frankly, I am astonished that so little attention has been paid to what Musharraf-Manmohan were able to achieve to solve/shelve an issue which is the heart of the problems facing Pakistan and the region.
    kashmir is one of the problems, if even we give away kashmir to indians which btw negates all human rights concerns pakistan has stood for kashmir for so long, what guarentee is, india doesnt attack pakistan in future and pakistan mistrust in india and keeping on the same deence budget

    peace doesnt come without assurance, and without assurance kashmir issue will never solve aside the self determination of kashmiris, which is the best for every body

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    Quote Originally Posted by Archie View Post
    Frankly , even I would be happy to see the Mushi Manimohan deal on kashmir being finalised
    But sadly Mushi is out of office and unlikely to return with so many people against him in PAk
    Lets hope , if and when Imran Khan comes to power and Kayani retires peacefully ie without and coupe attempt , then we can sign the proposed deal on Kashmir

    Also u guys should hope that , unlike what Opinion polls sugest , BJP should not come to power in India

    Becoz BJP Top brass will close down all overtures made by Manmohan
    Also BJPs likely Prime Minister is Mrs Sushma Swarag , also known as the Saas of Indian Parliament or Belan wali Mother inlaw
    She is also someone who can make Indira Gandhi look like a kind old women
    You must remember it was vajpayee who took bus to lahore and mush who backstabbed with Kargil.

    BJP is a nationalist party and we will not allow dilution of our position. We will prefer status quo but Khangress may even gift Srinagar to Pakistan if it gives them extra muslim votes


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