JuD vows to take Kashmir by force

[Bhushan]

Originally Posted by imran khan

trolling hateers on top this thread.i will say no difference between you and JUD.see merirr.

That means you accept that JuD is indulged in terrorist activities.

[Asim Aquil]

Originally Posted by Bhushan

That means you accept that JuD is indulged in terrorist activities.

The government of Pakistan says so. But while we've seen evidence against LeT, we've not seen evidence linking the two or any direct evidence against JuD.

However we HAVE seen their IT training centers, medicine dispensaries, Abulance services and free of cost roti services. The government of Pakistan may be wrong in its charges against JuD - correct against LeT.

We have no issues with these parties fighting in Kashmir, but we do have issues when they fight outside of Kashmir. We also have issues when these parties fight in Kashmir using Pakistan as its base of operations.

Fight Indian Army in Kashmir from India, and you have our blessings.

[jalip]

india now on should worried about stones how they gona stop people from getting small stones

with the stone they will win not with weapons

[LCA Tejas]

Originally Posted by jalip

india now on should worried about stones how they gona stop people from getting small stones

with the stone they will win not with weapons

hahaha, very funny..... You cant always Keep them brain washed buddy, time will come when People of Kashmir will wake up.... Till then Our Police is ready to counter Stones....

[Mister X]

JuD vows to take Kashmir by force and India vows to take on terriorist by force.

Indian Army will surely fix their appointment with god and they have to pay for the killings of innocents.

Also their hue and cry reflects their desperation. But their commitment is not as firm as Indian Army's commitment to protect Kashmir at all cost.

[Dark Angel]

"Doodh mango to kheer denge. Kashmir mango to cheer denge."



There is no doubt that no Indian will ever give a single inch of land from its motherland and that has been clear last 3 times still arrogance plays a heavy part in your attitute

[Raje amar]

Originally Posted by Asim Aquil

The government of Pakistan says so. But while we've seen evidence against LeT, we've not seen evidence linking the two or any direct evidence against JuD.

However we HAVE seen their IT training centers, medicine dispensaries, Abulance services and free of cost roti services. The government of Pakistan may be wrong in its charges against JuD - correct against LeT.

We have no issues with these parties fighting in Kashmir, but we do have issues when they fight outside of Kashmir. We also have issues when these parties fight in Kashmir using Pakistan as its base of operations.

Fight Indian Army in Kashmir from India, and you have our blessings.

Thats what India expects from Pakistan........
Please.....Please .......Please dont allow any terrerist activity from Pakistani soil against India. Let alone Kashmir, if you can do this much our relations will improve more than half way.......

[Bhushan]

Originally Posted by Asim Aquil

The government of Pakistan says so. But while we've seen evidence against LeT, we've not seen evidence linking the two or any direct evidence against JuD.

The Consolidated List established and maintained by the 1267 Committee with respect to Al-Qaida, Usama bin Laden,and the Taliban and other individuals, groups, undertakings and entities associated with them

Last updated on: 25 January 2010

Composition of the List

The list consists of the four sections specified below:
A. Individuals associated with the Taliban
B. Entities and other groups and undertakings associated with the Taliban
C. Individuals associated with Al-Qaida
D. Entities and other groups and undertakings associated with Al-Qaida

QE.L.118.05. Name: LASHKAR-E-TAYYIBA
A.k.a.: a) Lashkar-e-Toiba b) Lashkar-i-Taiba c) al Mansoorian d) al Mansooreen e) Army of the Pure f) Army of the Righteous g) Army of the Pure and Righteous h) Paasban-e-Kashmir i) Paasban-i-Ahle-Hadith j) Pasban-e-Kashmir k) Pasban-e-Ahle-Hadith l) Paasban-e-Ahle-Hadis m) Pashan-e-ahle Hadis n) Lashkar e Tayyaba o) LET p) Jamaat-ud-Dawa q) JUD r) Jama,at al-Dawa s) Jamaat ud-Daawa t) Jamaat ul-Dawah u) Jamaat-ul-Dawa v) Jama,at-i-Dawat w) Jamaiat-ud-Dawa x) Jama,at-ud-Da,awah y) Jama,at-ud-Da,awa z) Jamaati-ud-Dawa F.k.a.: na Address: na Listed on: 2 May 2005 (amended on 3 Nov. 2005, 10 Dec. 2008) Other information: na

Your government is right.Its a terrorist organization as UN has already declared Jamaat-ud-Dawa a terrorist front group.

[Bhushan]

UN declares Jamaat-ud-Dawa a terrorist front group

The United Nations Security Council has added Pakistan-based terrorist group and four of its leaders to the list of entities and organizations known to support al Qaeda and the Taliban. The declaration came the same day that Pakistani officials said they would act against the Jamaat-ud-Dawa if the United Nations declared it a terrorist group as part of Resolution 1267, which also known as the al Qaeda and Taliban Sanctions Committee.

The Security Council listed Jamaat-ud-Dawa as an alias of the proscribed Lashkar-e-Taiba terror group. India and the United States have said Lashkar-e-Taiba was behind last month's three-day terror siege of Mumbai, India.

Hafiz Saeed has been listed as the leader of the Lashkar-e-Taiba. The UNSC also listed Zaki-ur-Rehman Lakhvi, Haji Mohammad Ashraf, and Mahmoud Mohammad Ahmed Bahaziq as senior members of the Lashkar-e-Taiba.

Lakhvi is listed as the terror group's chief of operations. Ashraf is the group's chief of finance. Bahaziq, a Saudi national who served as the leader of Lashkar-e-Taiba in Saudi Arabia, is a senior financier.

The UNSC also updated two groups already listed under Resolution 1267 as supporting Lashkar-e-Taiba. Al Akhtar Trust has been identified as financing Lashkar-e-Taiba. The UN noted Al Akhtar Trust maintains regional offices in the Pakistani cites of Bahawalpur, Bawalnagar, Gilgit, Islamabad, Mirpur Khas, and Tando-Jan-Mahammad, as well as in Spin Boldak in Afghanistan.

The Al Rashid Trust also provides support to Lashkar-e-Taiba. Al Rashid Trust operates in the Afghan cites of Herat Jalalabad, Kabul, Kandahar, and Mazar Sharif. The group also runs operations in Kosovo and Chechnya.

Jamaat-ud-Dawa has long been known to be a front for the Lashkar-e-Taiba. Saeed renamed the Lashkar-e-Taiba to Jamaat-ud-Dawa in 2002 after Lashkar was banned by the Pakistani government. Pakistan never acted against the Jamaat-ud-Dawa. Instead, Saeed and his leaders rebranded the group as a Muslim charity to mask the operations of Lashkar-e-Taiba.

The Jamaat-ud-Dawa has established an organization that rivals Lebanese Hezbollah. The group succeeded in providing aid to earthquake-ravaged regions in Kashmir in 2005 while the Pakistani government was slow to act. Lashkar is active in fundraising across the Middle East and South Asia, and has recruited scores of Westerns to train in its camps. Jamaat-ud-Dawa actively fundraises on the Internet at its website.

Pakistan vows to act

The Indian and US governments led the charge to get Jamaat-ud-Dawa added to UNSC Resolution 1267 list of terror groups. Getting the group added was by no means assured; China blocked India's efforts to do this three times over the past several years.

The UN's action against Jamaat-ud-Dawa requires nations to freeze the group's assets, ban the individual terrorists from traveling, and prevent the supply of weapons, technology, and other aid to the group.

The Pakistani government signaled earlier this week that it would act against Jamaat-ud-Dawa if the UNSC added the group to the terrorist list.

Pakistan's ambassador to UN Abdullah Hussain Haroon signaled Pakistan would take action against the terror group after the UN meeting, including shutting down training camps on Pakistani soil. "After the designation of Jamaat-ud-Dawa (JUD) under (resolution) 1267, the government on receiving communication from the Security Council shall proscribe the JUD and take other consequential actions, as required, including the freezing of assets," Haroon said.

Earlier this week, Pakistani security forces raided Lashkar camps and offices and rounded up two senior members of the terror group thought to be involved in the Mumbai attack. Lakhvi and Zarar Shah were detained over the past several days, along with a handful of Lashkar-e-Taiba fighters.

Shah is a communications expert who set up the network that allowed the Mumbai attackers communicate with Lashkar-e-Taiba commanders in Pakistan, according to Indian intelligence officials. He also serves as a key liaison between the Lashkar-e-Taiba and Pakistan's Inter-Service Intelligence agency.

Pakistan has rounded up senior terrorists and Taliban leaders in the past, only to allow them to go free. Saeed has been placed under house arrest at least two times since 2001, but the restrictions were quietly lifted. Numerous al Qaeda and Taliban leaders have been set free, exchanged for hostages, or escaped under questionable circumstances.

[FireFighter]

Originally Posted by paritosh

believe me the cost of holding Kashmir has never been even close to being unbearable...an indicator of this is the flat refusal on our side to even engage in bilateral,trilateral or UN-lateral talks on the matter...
had we been facing problems of escalating daily expenses in Kashmir we'd have accepted if not initiated a way to settle the matter...
Asim...this is not the 90s...the world opinion has had a paradigm shift...the world has grown absolutely intolerable to Islamic violence...and I stress on the word 'Islamic'.
be it Russia ,america or China...they want none of it...
to put it in simpler words...the righteousness of a war is decided by global opinion...and it won't be difficult to sway it in our favor...the world has started seeing Kashmir through our eyes...

World opinion is fickle when it comes to the issue of Kashmir to Pakistan. We never bowed down to world opinion in regards to Kashmir.

Now that Pakistan is a Nuclear state since then we never allowed our policy to be dictated on the Kashmir front.


World opinions are not constant but are a changing phenomenon. Once America pulls out of ****** theatre, that would signal the end of WOT, and therefore policy changes would be demanded in the new decade era considering the shifts in balance of powers.


Speaking of Paradigm shifts, have you ever thought what would happen once China becomes the world's next Superpower?

And how China would pull the strings on world opinions on regional/world/eco/political issues that it favours? Ever questioned what that would mean for India?

That day is not very far, 2020 would mark a new beginning, whilst New Delhi is in sleep, there would be a major geo-political change in Kashmir.

Don't you wonder why your think tanks the likes of Bharat Verma are literally panicking at the American withdrawal from ****** theatre?


You will no longer have the western backing, so better pull out your forces before the world will make you pay for your misdeeds in Kashmir.

Originally Posted by karan.1970

huh! ? Please compare the security situation in the so called disputed area of Jammu and Kashmir vs Pakistan occupied Kashmir. In this year itself there have been more attacks and deaths in the so called Azaad Kashmir which is supposed to be a heaven on earth as against the opressed and terrorized J&K.

Also pl go and check the development activities & growth in both parts..

Are you kidding me buddy?


We have no where near the amount of your soldiers in Azad Kashmir. Things are 100% better in Azad compared to Indian Occupied Kashmir which is literally like the Gaza strip, road blockades, curfews, random police searches, killings and political assissnations, etc. are the norm of day.

If you want to be honest then pick up any neutral unbiased source and compare Azad with Occupied and you'll find that there's a world of a difference.

[jalip]

Originally Posted by FireFighter

World opinion is fickle when it comes to the issue of Kashmir to Pakistan. We never bowed down to world opinion in regards to Kashmir.

Now that Pakistan is a Nuclear state since then we never allowed our policy to be dictated on the Kashmir front.


World opinions are not constant but are a changing phenomenon. Once America pulls out of ****** theatre, that would signal the end of WOT, and therefore policy changes would be demanded in the new decade era considering the shifts in balance of powers.


Speaking of Paradigm shifts, have you ever thought what would happen once China becomes the world's next Superpower?

And how China would pull the strings on world opinions on regional/world/eco/political issues that it favours? Ever questioned what that would mean for India?

That day is not very far, 2020 would mark a new beginning, whilst New Delhi is in sleep, there would be a major geo-political change in Kashmir.

Don't you wonder why your think tanks the likes of Bharat Verma are literally panicking at the American withdrawal from ****** theatre?


You will no longer have the western backing, so better pull out your forces before the world will make you pay for your misdeeds in Kashmir.




Are you kidding me buddy?


We have no where near the amount of your soldiers in Azad Kashmir. Things are 100% better in Azad compared to Indian Occupied Kashmir which is literally like the Gaza strip, road blockades, curfews, random police searches, killings and political assissnations, etc. are the norm of day.

If you want to be honest then pick up any neutral unbiased source and compare Azad with Occupied and you'll find that there's a world of a difference.

oh bahi Azad kashmiri most of them are far richer then rest of pakistan they have house u naver find any where else in pakistan more then 50% of them have relative out side pakistan specially in Uk
for you information Pound are traded more then rupee in kashmir
they have school and hospitals in all towns far batter then pakistan
i will not compare it with IOK
let have vote in pakistani side of kashmir and indian side of kashmir if pakistan side wants to go towards india they are most well come to go will india do the same
India A shame democracy

[Mister X]

Originally Posted by jalip

oh bahi Azad kashmiri most of them are far richer then rest of pakistan they have house u naver find any where else in pakistan more then 50% of them have relative out side pakistan specially in Uk
for you information Pound are traded more then rupee in kashmir
they have school and hospitals in all towns far batter then pakistan
i will not compare it with IOK
let have vote in pakistani side of kashmir and indian side of kashmir if pakistan side wants to go towards india they are most well come to go will india do the same
India A shame democracy

Propaganda busted

Stop your propaganda.

Large number of Pakistanis mainly Punjabi Pakistanis have migrated to p.o.k.

India have maintained the status of 1947.

Indians from rest of India are not allowed by Govt. of India to settle, buy houses, property or marry in Kashmir.

The Jobs and resources of Kashmir are for Kashmiri people only.

Ever herded of Mirpur.


Mirpuris (people originating from the Mirpur district in Pakistani Kashmir), form about 70% of the British Pakistani population of about 747,000.

Cultural Dislocation

The reasons for the large proportion of Mirpuris in the UK is historical. In the late 1950’s & early 1960’s, the Pakistani Government planned the Mangla Dam, which was to be built in the Mirpur area. They asked several thousand locals to leave the land. [B]At that time, the British needed man-power mainly for their textile factories. Many of the Mirpuris moved to Britain and started working in factories, mostly in the so called “black country” and the area of Bradford, England. In some villages, more than half the village population moved to the UK to settle in the industrial towns. This rural, impoverished district provided cheap, unskilled labour for Britain in the 60’s and 70’s.

Most immigrants were from subsistence farming communities and had had little or no schooling. They made a huge cultural and geographical leap to settle in the UK. The profound cultural dislocation experienced by the Mirpuris is hard to imagine. Most Mirpuris speak Pothowari, a language related to Punjabi. The prominent clans among them include Rajputs (Janjua), Sudhans, Khokhars, Gakkhars, Awans, Jats, etc.


Proof of my statements

ARE MIRPURI PUNJABI OR KASHMIRI - punjabi net forum discussions

Mirpuri - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Muslim Mirpuris in Britain cultural dislocation : Loving Muslims Through Prayer | www.30-days.net

The reason of P.O.K.'s prosperity in comparison to rest of undeveloped Pakistan are immigrant Punjabi who migrated to Britain as cheap and unskilled labors and are now sending pounds back home.

Their so called prosperity is nothing to do with the work or development by Pakistani govt.

[karan.1970]

Originally Posted by FireFighter

Are you kidding me buddy?


We have no where near the amount of your soldiers in Azad Kashmir. Things are 100% better in Azad compared to Indian Occupied Kashmir which is literally like the Gaza strip, road blockades, curfews, random police searches, killings and political assissnations, etc. are the norm of day.

If you want to be honest then pick up any neutral unbiased source and compare Azad with Occupied and you'll find that there's a world of a difference.

So more soldiers in J&K should provide more targets of opportunity.. Dont you think..

Dude, you can call J&K as Gaza strip. I can call NWFP as a terrorist cess pool and Pakistan occupied Kashmir as a backward exploited area.. Crux of the matter is you cant convince me and vice versa.

On your china theory, you guys similarly celebrated when USSR got split. At that time, USA was your dear friend and people in Pakistan THINK TANKS were similarly jumping with joy on how now USA will pressurize India on Kashmir.. Its been a few decades and now you are having to look for another backer for your claims on Kashmir as your earstwhile dear friend is now one being blamed by your population for being oblivious to Pakistan's interests..

Sir, as long as you are dependent on external forces to counter India on Kashmir, you are destined to fail..

[karan.1970]

Originally Posted by jalip

India A shame democracy

Atleast it has been a democracy always.. in good health and bad.. We dont run away to alternate methods (or get forced by our generals) at the first sign of problems..

Please have as many votes as you want in Pakistan Occupied Kashmir. We just have state and national elections as per our Election commission guidelines and constitution..

[tiger1313]

I think India must take this one seriously. I say this b'coz of the following reasons-
1 Pak would like to divert jehadi energies at this stg to india.
2 Hamid Gul's presence may point towards renewed Pak int push to rejuvinate a dying movement.
3 Hafiz Syed presence - is it an indication to india/ us. Otherwise given the fact that we are thinking of talking would make it an inwise move.
Keeping the above in mind, IA would be well advised to look for any new signs on ground, a new stratagy etc