Kashmir: News & Discussions

[UmairP]

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Is that it ,JANA an unknown article from an unknown web site.
If India really was an evil occupation force it could do a lot worse that anything you describe.

In reality, What happens in Kashmir is very different.

No doubt The IA had some faults in its ability to maintain law and order.
But An army was never meant to be a police force. a role that it must forcibly follow with army doctrine. Thus you see police brutality but in reality its not the police but the army. Thus army follows army doctrine.

The terrorist incursions further complicate situations on the Indian side.

And what about your occupied Kashmir, no one ever hears anything from there?

What do you want to hear.. I may be able to help!

[dk33]

And what about your occupied Kashmir, no one ever hears anything from there?

This entire thread is about occupied Kashmir, along with the Amnesty and HRW reports on atrocities by Indian occupation forces, so what do you mean 'no one hears anything from there'?

Oh you must have meant Azad Kashmir - well nothing along the likes of what makes headlines in IOK occurs in AK with any regularity so there really isn't much to report, and consequently not much to hear.

But back to topic, and to answer your last response to me, I agree that if militants plant bombs to deliberately kill civilians then they are committing terrorism, just as the extrajudicial killings and torture of innocent civilians by the IA and other Indian security forces is also terrorism.

[Goodperson]

This entire thread is about occupied Kashmir, along with the Amnesty and HRW reports on atrocities by Indian occupation forces, so what do you mean 'no one hears anything from there'?

Oh you must have meant Azad Kashmir - well nothing along the likes of what makes headlines in IOK occurs in AK with any regularity so there really isn't much to report, and consequently not much to hear.

But back to topic, and to answer your last response to me, I agree that if militants plant bombs to deliberately kill civilians then they are committing terrorism, just as the extrajudicial killings and torture of innocent civilians by the IA and other Indian security forces is also terrorism.

AM please check the title of the thread is about an Army major martyred in Kashmir.

[Aslan]

The Heroics of The brave Indian Soldiers in Kashmir.



INDIAN ARMY GANG RAPE VICTIMS: Testimonies of Young and Old Women of Kashmir
By Majid A. Siraj 02/06/2002 At 06:17

SPECIAL NOTE - REALPLAYER VIDEOS OF THE VICTIMS STATEMENTS ARE AVAILABLE AT:

http://www.kashmir.demon.co.uk/rape/
Testimonies of Young and old women of Kunan Pushpora Kashmir

Gang rape victims

It was one dreaded night when the village of Kunan Pushpora was attacked by a unit from the Indian army camped about ten miles from the village. All the men of the village were rounded up and locked away in a room of an empty house. The soldiers carried bootles of alcohol in their hands and were drinking, swearing and shouting.They had been in the village before, looking for militants.

They turned the lights off and used torches to enter all the homes. When the carnage was over, around 60 women were found lying in their homes either unconsious or weeping in anguish and pain. They had been raped. The victims were old women as well as very young femal children who will now be facing problems for the rest of their lives, if they live this foray by the Indian army. Here we present the testimonies of some of the women who dared to come forward.


I am Ziatun daughter of Abdul Rahim Dar. It was past midnight. My father was not in the house. I recall more than five soldiers entered my house and kicked open all doors. They turned towards me and pounced on my body like hounds and tore all my clothes. The lights went out and after that it was a never ending nightmare. I am unmarried and my future life looks very bleak. I will never recover from the trauma. Indian army look for militants. They knew I was innocent.


My name is Nisara. My father Gulam Mohomad was dragged away by violent military men. We are two sisters in the house at the time. We were screaming for help and struggling at the same time from the brutal attacks from the alcohol smelling soldiers. The room was dark and the army men were shining torch lights.
Both of us were raped in the room and we have no idea how many of these animals were coming and going in the house. We are both unmarried.



My name is Atiqa Begam. I have four children. It was a bleak, cold night and we were all in bed and sleeping. We were woken up by a group of Indian soldiers who burst in smashing all door and utensils. My screaming children were thrown out through the window outside.
They ransacked the house and came for me all with very harsh blows. I was half unconscious. They molested me in turns . I cannot recall how many people were in the house.



I am an elderly woman. My name is Lassi Begam I have three grown up children. The eldest is a policeman. My daughter Saja is deaf and dumb This night of onslaught by Indian army all my doors were smashed. I showed them the police uniform of my son. They took no notice and in the most degraded manner assaulted me and my handicapped daughter. I have never known anything like this in my sixty years of life. I kept shouting, 'Where is our GOVERNMENT ?

My name is Raja Begam. My husband answered the knock on the door . He did not return and next minute a gang of military men burst open into the bedroom, waving guns and bottles. We were frightened and screamed. All my children were muzzled with hand on their mouth and my clothes were pulled and torn. I was thrown on the ground with my head hitting the floor. I was gang raped by all the men in the room. I heard in my state of faint senses laughter and loud noises from the men. I have not recovered.


I am Munira. My father is Juma Shiekh. I have 2 daughters. This night was like a terrible nightmare --BROKE DOWN
I am Halima Begam. My husband Gulam Rasul was away. I heard this commotion in the village very late in the night. The dreaded noise came very near my house and all my doors were smashed. They were speaking to me in loud voice . I am not educated , I could not decipher what they said or wanted. Next thing I know they pounced upon me like vultures and molested me. I thought I had died. I and my husband are devastated .


I am Rahimi Begam. I was alone in the house. I was petrified when they burst into my small house. I pleaded with them I am a poor woman , please do not harm me. I am innocent. They drank from their bottles and beat me up .. I was on the floor and before long I now realised they were attacking me sexually. I was wanting to die. I pleaded in my language I cried . That had no effect. I had , I reckon a hundred people in my house , on top of me, smothering me and molesting me. I was left in a coma.

I am Jana Begam the widow of Lassa Dar. I have two sons. I was sleeping in my room with my daughter-in-law. we were woken up with loud noises from outside. Suddenly the door was kicked open. We were faced with a lot of Indian, violent, drunk soldiers. They waved bottles at us and threatened with their guns. We did not know what to say. They pounced upon us, threw us on the ground and assaulted both of us. This was the most degrading experience of my life. I wanted to die. Why? I asked have these people come to attack us? I was told they were looking for militants. We are innocent people , poor and live a sheltered life in this remote part of the world. I am still in shock and I never will recover.


I am Shahmal. I am a mother of four and on this night I was alone in the house. We were all sleeping when the onslaught from the military woke us up. We all cried frightened. They tore my clothes off me and in the presence of my children, threw me on the floor and molested me.


I am Jamila. I and my husband with three children were sleeping. It must have been midnight, they took my husband away and raped me in front of my children. We have been attacked four times so far. You come taking statements from us. What is the use?


I am Zaina Begam wife of Jabbar Dar. My husband was grabbed, beaten up and carried away. They came back, ransacked the house, made noises ad drank from bottles. They hit me hard. I was unconscious. There was a big commotion in the village. We thought it was the end for all of us. The Police arrived the next day and took statements. Nothing has been done. We are suffering.

My name is Zarifa Begam. My husband was away and my 5 children were sleeping. It was about 3 in the morning when two Indian soldiers broke open my bedroom door. I was gagged, beaten up and raped. My screams woke my children and they came in to help me. They were pushed into another room with guns and kicks and bolted. I have my whole body hurting from cuts.

Sara Begam wife of Abdul Ahad deposed. It was midnight. I answered a knock on my door. Three men confronted me and shouted 'Hands up' in Hindi. I protested that I was alone and there were no militants in my house. They grabbed my hair, pulled it hard, ripped my clothes. What have I done? 'We have orders from our officers to do this.' They were violent, they were drunk and they were animals. The night was an ordeal.

My name is Bakhti Begam. My husband is a tailor in the village. It was dead of night. They kicked the door open. They dragged the men from the house and molested us. We were very frightened and tried to struggle, but they beat us up very hard and threw us on the floor. We cannot relate details.

My name is Zooni Begam. My husband Gulam Mohomad Dar was taken away by a group of Indian army in the middle of the night. We had cordon & search by army before, but they never found any guns or militants here. This time they came at night with a surprise and very angry looking. They grabbed hold of my clothes ripped them in pieces and the whole gang set themselves upon me. I suffocated. I could not breath. The aftermath was as if an earthquake had struck us. I have not recouped from the ordeal and never will .

Men in the village were rounded up beaten and locked in a house , while the rampage of their homes and molestation of their homes went on. " Why do you treat us like this?" They asked. "We have orders to rape your women and destroy the village" The whole village was littered with empty bottles of alcohol. They behaved like animals. There were officers with them, because they had stripes on their uniforms.

This young school-girl was also the victim of this hineous crime.

I am the brother of the Numberdar the headman of the village. My name is Abdul Ahad Shiekh. The army unit is based about ten kilometres from Kunan Pushpora. This was the sixth time they attacked the village. In the past they have been getting everyone out on the road , line them up and search them, men women and children. Then they search the homes , even the animal sties and grain stores for weapons and militants . They never found anything. They have now destroyed the whole village.

I am in the state police force. I was on duty when my officer informed me that I have leave to go home, because there has been trouble in my family. I came here and found that my own sister has been raped by the army . People are still coming to terms after a month of the event . On the morning after the carnage there were about sixty women laid helpless crying, fainted, and in distress. Victims old and young will suffer devastating consequences


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[pkd]

Gaddafi on UN, Iraq, Kashmir... After being introduced in the General Assembly Hall as the “leader of the revolution, the President of the African Union and the king of kings of Africa”, Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi shattered protocol by giving a rambling speech that stretched for 90 minutes instead of the allotted 15

The main point of his speech was a demand for an African seat on the Security Council. He also said that Kashmir should be an independent entity. Here are some of the points made by the Libyan leader:

Security Council “is political feudalism for those who have a permanent seat”. “It should not be called the Security Council, it should be called the Terror Council”.

• Opening the doors of the UNSC for big powers would “add more poverty, more injustice, more tension at the world level...There would be high competition between Italy, Germany, Indonesia, India, Pakistan, Philippines, Japan, Argentina, Brazil...”

• Waved aloft a copy of the UN charter and seemed to tear it up, saying he did not recognize the authority of the document

• “Kashmir should be an independent state, not Indian, not Pakistani. We should end this conflict. It should be a Ba’athist state between India and Pakistan”

• He suggested those who caused “mass murder” in Iraq must be tried, defended the right of the Taliban to establish an Islamic emirate, wondered whether swine flu was cooked up in a laboratory as a weapon

• Demanded probe into the assassinations of John F Kennedy and Martin Luther King

• Offered to move the UN headquarters to Libya because leaders coming here had to endure jet lag and because the understandable security against another attack on New York by the al-Qaeda was too stringent. NYT & PTI

[R.A.W.]

Let me tell something

Kashmir is the place where only 2 things happen. Either bomb blasts or protests or some nonsense. Tell me one Indians state where you do not find a case of rape or some sort of crime.

Since there is nothing else in Kashmir to be reported this is the only thing that comes into picture which makes the people think that Kashmir is burning and the general sentiments of public are with Pakistan. I

I have been to Kashmir and have personally met many Kashmiris, worked with them. What I can say is I feel something cooking in between with people of Pakistan being so confident about Kashmiris voting for them. May be this may help us when Kashmir is forced for pebliciste. An ill informed enemy is always better in such a case otherwise Pakistan will never accept to do the pebliciste.

I think we will have the same with the completion of Operation Chanakya...

[DaRk WaVe]

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Well lady I did some search for you...:

Please go to this link and read...
Human Rights watch report.....read fully ....

"Everyone Lives in Fear" | Human Rights Watch

It gives you both sides of the story...... And yes it Claims ..some figure on Army presence....and backs it up with a link to a Book......

But as far as I know...Pakistanis are not happy with human Rights group....they are not considered good in Pakistan...I wonder why this report by HRW ..holds so much ground in Pkaistan....even though Human Rights Activists are not respected and some times called names ..

read the NYT article & those posted by Jana again

[civfanatic]

Is that it ,JANA an unknown article from an unknown web site.

Well etalaat is a very well known kashmiri daily and WRT kashmir is very much worthy of citing as crediblr resource .

[FireFighter]

Is that it ,JANA an unknown article from an unknown web site.
If India really was an evil occupation force it could do a lot worse that anything you describe.

In reality, What happens in Kashmir is very different.

No doubt The IA had some faults in its ability to maintain law and order.
But An army was never meant to be a police force. a role that it must forcibly follow with army doctrine. Thus you see police brutality but in reality its not the police but the army. Thus army follows army doctrine.

The terrorist incursions further complicate situations on the Indian side.

And what about your occupied Kashmir, no one ever hears anything from there?

Here watch this video of Dr. Angana yourself if you believe that link is a hoax.

If India is actually committed to peace, it needs to face ugly truths > Kashmir > MTV Iggy - Global Pop Culture, Music, Fashion, Photos, Social Changes, Leading Voices

[paritosh]

The only Indian leader, i respect...

he is the only one worth respecting.

[FireFighter]

AM please check the title of the thread is about an Army major martyred in Kashmir.

You are trying to address a Super Moderator on a Pakistan Defense forum on the etiquette of posting?

Very poor thinking on your part, Gp.

I have to remind you again that this thread will not gain any sympathy from any of the Pakistanis on the board and neither from the Moderators. You should be lucky we're allowing you to post his quote and quote "martyrdom" on this website.

The Army major's heroics might constitute a martyr to you, but he's noting short of a hostile aggressor and oppressor recruited to further oppress the Kashmiris in our eyes. He died for no legitimate or justifiable cause- in fact his death is a waste of life. He will be in the deepest levels of hell along with the Pharoahs.

However, at human level, my condolesences are with his family for losing their precious son on duty.

[UnitedPak]

Seriously... how can a mad clown "embarrass" the Republic of India?

These news outlets nowadays write anything so as to get the attention of viewers.

This 'mad clown' is building covert links with European nations like UK while at the same time promoting an African Union which he most likely plans on having considerable influence over.

That would make him a dangerous 'mad clown'.

[Coolyo]

Kashmir = Pakistan Zameen! Alhamdulillah!

Soon Indian Occupied Kashmir will be annexed into Pakistan, and our line of control will increase, Insha Allah!

[Ruag]

This 'mad clown' is building covert links with European nations like UK while at the same time promoting an African Union which he most likely plans on having considerable influence over.

That would make him a dangerous 'mad clown'.

Yup... that very same Gaddafi who was thrown out of his tent in New York -

Gaddafi tent taken down at New York Trump estate | Stuff.co.nz

Ouch! That must have hurt! No wonder this clown is so angry.

And what "covert links" between Libya and UK are you talking about? Are you talking about this -

Gordon Brown snubs Colonel Gaddafi at UN over Lockerbie bomber - The Daily Record ?

[EjazR]

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The Army major's heroics might constitute a martyr to you, but he's noting short of a hostile aggressor and oppressor recruited to further oppress the Kashmiris in our eyes. He died for no legitimate or justifiable cause- in fact his death is a waste of life. He will be in the deepest levels of hell along with the Pharoahs.

However, at human level, my condolesences are with his family for losing their precious son on duty.

The people killed were Hizbul Mujahideen commander Pasha and Lashkar-e-Toiba member Moosa. Both were from Pakistan. Pasha carried a reward of Rs 10 lakh on his head.

These militants were planning to (as they usually do) target civilians or govt. officials. They don't seek out IA or para-military to fight because they know they will get killed.

The IA risks casualties by taking "pre-emptive" based on tip-offs given by locals. There was no local killed although there might have been building/house damage in the operation. According procedures, they should be paid compensation by the govt.

This is what happened atleast in this particular operation.