How effective is baktar shikan against india's tank?

[Super Falcon]

http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3MF9VLclRw

http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3MF9VLclRw

[Dark Angel]

Originally Posted by Super Falcon

yes good answer sir and indian anti tank missiles are not that capable in accuracy as baktar shikan is

were u sleeping for the last decade and just gotup...u dont have a fire and forget missile we atleast have one

[Laughing Buddha]

Arjun tank to fight for survival, Ajai Shukla probes the decision to buy T-90

08 Feb 2010 8ak: India's Arjun tank will battle for its life against a squadron of Russian T-90s in comparative trials next month. The test results will be crucial as it is likely to determine the controversial vehicle's future which is in jeopardy after the army has refused to buy more than the 124 Arjun tanks. The stated reason was that the army is not happy with the performance of the DRDO developed tank.

The development of indigenous Arjun tanks commenced almost three decades ago. The Indian Army laid down its qualitative requirement for the Arjun in 1972. In 1982, it was announced that the prototype was ready for field trials. However, the tank was publicly unveiled for the first time only in 1995 after the government had spent US$72 million on the project.

The 24th Infantry Division stationed in Bikaner will conduct the trials in the rugged deserts of the northern state of Rajasthan, around the cities of Bikaner, Suratgarh and also Pokhran, the site of India's first nuclear bomb test in May 1974. As many as 14 Arjun tanks will be pitted against the equal number of Russian T-90s during the trials.

Senior army officials revealed to 8ak that the tests were being conducted to determine the role Arjun can play in the security of India and also to assess the strong and weak areas of the tank. He further added that officials of DRDO would be present during the test to find out the areas where the performance of Arjun can be enhanced. The DRDO had handed over 16 tanks to the Indian Army last year, completing one regiment of 45 tanks. The regiment was then subjected to conversion training and field practice.

The Arjun measures just under 33 feet long and 12 feet wide. Armor is a Kanchan steel-composite sandwich development. A 1,400 horsepower diesel engine gives it an operational range of 280 miles with a speed of 45 mph on roads and 25 mph cross-country. The 120mm rifled main turret gun can fire the LAHAT anti-tank missile. Secondary armaments are a MAG 7.62mm Tk715 coaxial machine gun and an HCB 12.7mm AA machine gun.

The tank was meant to supplement and eventually replace the Soviet-era T-72 MBT that was first inducted in the early 1980s. However, delays in the Arjun project and Pakistan’s decision to purchase the T-80 from Ukraine, prompted India to order 310 T-90s, an upgraded version of the T-72, in 2001.

The test is the last chance for DRDO to instil life into the Arjun program, which it says would be economically feasible only if the army ordered 500 tanks. If the performance of the tank is up to the set parameters there is a strong possibility that the army will be forced to order more Arjun tanks. On the other hand, a poor performance will certainly seal the fate of the Arjun program and kill DRDO's hopes of providing Indian army a indigenous set of tanks.

And a must read article from Ajai Shukla basically saying that decision makers took out critical parts of the T-90 tank to make it appear comparable in price to the Arjun, so that the government could continue to buy Russian. The biggest battle it seems for the Arjun is not to prove its battle worthiness, rather to fight entrenched power players! Not that 8ak wants to glorify the Arjun beyond its capabilities. Informed sources tell us that Arjun faces such serious flaws that it cannot reach border areas in times of conflict. The issues they say (unconfirmed by 8ak) are that the filter needs changing every 5kms in desert/dusty conditions, the tank is too heavy for transportable bridges and too wide to be transported on India's railways.

[PLAextream]

i bet arjaun mkII has better protection Armour than the little turret t90.
but in current situation arjun is a sitting duck.hope drdo can figure out how to make arjun move in desert .may be after mar-apr we could have a clear picture
after final evaluation bt t90 vs arjun.

[Pakistani Nationalist]

Originally Posted by Super Falcon

no sir we have TOW 1 and TOW 2 no javelian if we have provide source

Sir i have seen in my in my fathers unit.As well as there is a pic on a pak army soldier handling a javelin as well.Thanks.

[Kharian_Beast]

I believe Bakter Shikan is HongJian 8E. HJ-8 in itself is quite similar to AT-4 Spigot or the Fagot missile of the Soviet Union. We can safely conclude this because the HJ-73 Red Arrow is largely a copy of AT-3 Sagger.

[Kharian_Beast]

AT-4 Spigot

[Kharian_Beast]

The shortcomings of HJ8 Series exposed in real field operation include excessive weight, operational requirement of two or more people, the unwieldy supporting stand, and its vulnerability in detecting in battlefield disguise. For this reason, NORINCO has recently developed its HJ8L ATM whose weight has been greatly reduced and structure of supporting stand much simplified.

[unicorn148]

Originally Posted by Pakistani Nationalist

Sir i have seen in my in my fathers unit.As well as there is a pic on a pak army soldier handling a javelin as well.Thanks.

Pakistan don't have javelin missile .Pakistan still depend on second generation anti tank missile

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

During one test coducted in Sargodha , it was reported that two MBT tanks , were placed behind each other at distance of 10 meters or so

1 Baktar Shiken missile , piearced both MBT tanks and made two kills - The first one was destroyed, the second one was made irreplacable - and its operation was hindered to unusable level

The Baktar Shiken can be used by infantry , Jeeps , Busses, BMW , and also Motor Cycles - so techncially 800 jeeps = 800 x 3 = 2400 kills for just the Baktar Shiken

[LCA Tejas]

Originally Posted by AZADPAKISTAN2009

During one test coducted in Sargodha , it was reported that two MBT tanks , were placed behind each other at distance of 10 meters or so

1 Baktar Shiken missile , piearced both MBT tanks and made two kills - The first one was destroyed, the second one was made irreplacable - and its operation was hindered to unusable level

The Baktar Shiken can be used by infantry , Jeeps , Busses, BMW , and also Motor Cycles - so techncially 800 jeeps = 800 x 3 = 2400 kills for just the Baktar Shiken

Dont you yourself think you are over Over-exaggerating that stuff.Is it a fire and forget missile btw?

[Novice09]

Originally Posted by AZADPAKISTAN2009

During one test coducted in Sargodha , it was reported that two MBT tanks , were placed behind each other at distance of 10 meters or so

1 Baktar Shiken missile , piearced both MBT tanks and made two kills - The first one was destroyed, the second one was made irreplacable - and its operation was hindered to unusable level

The Baktar Shiken can be used by infantry , Jeeps , Busses, BMW , and also Motor Cycles - so techncially 800 jeeps = 800 x 3 = 2400 kills for just the Baktar Shiken

You forgot to multiply the data by two

So technically (based on your report) 800 jeeps = 800 x 3 X 2 = 4800 kills for just the Baktar Shiken

We don't even have 4800 MBTs

[LCA Tejas]

Originally Posted by Novice09

You forgot to multiply the data by two

So technically (based on your report) 800 jeeps = 800 x 3 X 2 = 4800 kills for just the Baktar Shiken

We don't even have 4800 MBTs

Thats too much for a second generation anti tank missile which are not "Fire And Forget" ....

[Novice09]

Originally Posted by LCA Tejas

Thats too much for a second generation anti tank missile which are not "Fire And Forget" ....

either his MBT (used for reported testing) is 3rd class MBT or he is oveeeer excited

[LCA Tejas]

Originally Posted by Novice09

either his MBT (used for reported testing) is 3rd class MBT or he is oveeeer excited

That too Piercing 2 MBT at a time is toooooooooooo much excitement dude..... Ok leave him alone for some time, poor chap.