How many Hindu Gods?- Dr. Naik

[Mark&Porus]

Originally Posted by Jako

well sir,let me keep it simple ,why do you think monotheistic religion is logical while others are not?? Has Allah told you this in person?? Every religion is manmade.........it is ones belief which he/she believes can give him/her peace.......own religion is perfect to everyone.........so why break his belief?? No man has ever seen god.......so, no man knows which religion is perfect....thnx

Its always funny when followers of one religion criticize followers of another religion because they think their beliefs are "funny" or "ridiculous".

The fact is that their own beliefs are funny and ridiculous to the people who don't follow their religion, but they are simply incapable of understanding this because they've been brainwashed to follow one particular religion since childhood.

[psugumar]

Originally Posted by A1Kaid

I have proposed a fundamental question, relating to the number of Gods in Hinduism.

"As I said Hinduism is an ancient pagan religion, we can check Hinduisms origins and establish the fact. The number of Gods in Hinduism is undetermined. If human beings are allowed to make these God's then what right or power makes these Gods, true Gods?" -A1Kaid


Any Hindu members willing to answer?

The fact is if they knew the true answer, they would no longer be Hindus...

Wah-e-Wah!

For a Hindu GOD is not restricted to something made of some Super Natural power.Its not only for Hinduism, Even Buddhism says "Love is GOD" Now can you pls tell what Islam says about GOD?

[A1Kaid]

Originally Posted by kallu_be

Yes the same way a muslim cannot think anything new with out considering the rules that mentioned in quran.


Yes he told not to force, just kill 'em. Thats the same reason the wars that were fought by your prophet are so brutal that non believers are killed or rooted out of their lands (Just as Zoroastrians rooted out of Iran). As the time goes the rules might have been relaxed and it might be the reason the Hinduism is still left in India.



Yesterday one of the forum members given an example involving a man giving talaaq to his wife when he is drunk and it has been enforced by muslim court or whatever. This is the classic case of bad programming where the rules are mentioned but the dynamics of the rules have not specified i.e, the verification of the rules has not been done. The mullah has pronounced the divorce citing the rule from quran without analysing circumstances involving. Is this conscience or sheer bad programming.


fine until here.

Yes god has given freedom to think and choose but the book you are following (infact that was enslaving you) prohibits it.


Yes might be, as word hindu itself is not true. From now lets call it "sanatana dharma".

Do you know why Hindus don't argue/kill about the gods they worship, bcoz every argument leads to only one conclusion that every god is one and same. As i mentioned in my previous post the gods in Hinduism are due to different interpretations of the same core concept, so every argument about the gods between Hindus leads to the same answer. This is the same reason Hindus are not confused about their beliefs or philosophy.-

"Yes the same way a muslim cannot think anything new with out considering the rules that mentioned in quran."

You took a snippet out of my post but there was more to my post, you are playing games here boy...

Moving along and fast forwarding pass the BS.

"Do you know why Hindus don't argue/kill about the gods they worship, bcoz every argument leads to only one conclusion that every god is one and same. As i mentioned in my previous post the gods in Hinduism are due to different interpretations of the same core concept, so every argument about the gods between Hindus leads to the same answer. This is the same reason Hindus are not confused about their beliefs or philosophy." -kallu be

You did not answer the question, your reason is not a sufficient answer. Your reply has failed.

You explain why you believe this way, but you do not solve the fundamental matter of the question.

So you basically said the Hindus are able to create their own God and each God a Hindu creates is just as equal to the other Hindu God created...I know that already! Like I said you fail to understand. You just admitted Hindus make there own/fabricate Gods, but when I said Hinduism is a man-made religion with man-made Gods, the major outage and rants by Hindu members was hysterical! Man you guys are making fools of yourselves.


I will re-ask the question.

"As I said Hinduism is an ancient pagan religion, we can check Hinduisms origins and establish the fact. The number of Gods in Hinduism is undetermined. If human beings are allowed to make these God's then what right or power makes these Gods, true Gods?" -A1Kaid

[psugumar]

Originally Posted by A1Kaid

"Yes the same way a muslim cannot think anything new with out considering the rules that mentioned in quran."

You took a snippet out of my post but there was more to my post, you are playing games here boy...

Moving along and fast forwarding pass the BS.




You did not answer the question, your reason is not a sufficient answer. Your reply has failed.

You explain why you believe this way, but you do not solve the fundamental matter of the question.

So you basically said the Hindus are able to create their own God and each God a Hindu creates is just as equal to the other Hindu God created...I know that already! Like I said you fail to understand. You just admitted Hindus make there own/fabricate Gods, but when I said Hinduism is a man-made religion with man-made Gods, the major outage and rants by Hindu members was hysterical! Man you guys are making fools of yourselves.


I will re-ask the question.

"As I said Hinduism is an ancient pagan religion, we can check Hinduisms origins and establish the fact. The number of Gods in Hinduism is undetermined. If human beings are allowed to make these God's then what right or power makes these Gods, true Gods?" -A1Kaid

Thats why Hinduism has given "Lord Buddha" to world. Hinduism motivates all to become like Buddha.

[A1Kaid]

Interesting video, a angry Hindu man aggressively asks Dr. Naik a question, the man is given a befitting reply, the man is silenced...

YouTube - A Question Posed Agressively By a Hindu Brother

YouTube - A Question Posed Agressively By a Hindu Brother

[Khajur]

Originally Posted by A1Kaid

Exactly, the religion is man-made, were human beings are allowed to innovate and fabricate there own laws, philosophy, there own religious doctrine, teachings, and practice...Hence there is no single guidance, but multiple if not infinite misleading paths.

This is why in Hinduism the number of Gods is not determined, because from the very beginning the number of God's was fabricated by man. Hence this allows Hindus to fabricate more Gods, or even remove Gods if they feel necessary to do so.


Truth is Hindu scriptures (some) even mention something about the "Oneness" of God...I could be wrong.

I previously asked a few hindu members to state the number of Gods they worship and believe in...They were so embarrassed and ignorant they did not answer, however they just dodged the question and went on ranting about how I am in violation of something...

The fact the the number of Hindu Gods is not determined means there is no certainty in the religion, no certainty means no clarity, no definition, no straight forwardness, no right and wrong.

Hardly a religion sufficient enough for life forms as complicated as a human being.

listen, ur knowledge about hinduism is Zero.
So stop acting like an expert and ranting BS.

Even hindu members here may not be experts on hindu religion just like muslim members on islam.

If u really want to know about hindu religion,u may just google search it as web is filled with very good sites dedicated to hindu religion...thanx.

[psugumar]

Originally Posted by Asim Aquil

See that to me makes it all very fake. Classic man-made stuff. Many loopholes. I'm God. I can steal and say "I, the God, demanded theft!".

Even though you do not need religion for morals in society, but a twisted belief that you're God, can lead to degenerated morals with a license to commit any deed.

As I have told you before, this a secular forum and the topic focuses upon the many gods of Hinduism. You will undoubtedly see a difference of opinion.

You cannot be GOD if you hurt others. I have already told Hinduism accepts there is no GOD.If I do good to my family and society I become GOD.What do find wrong in that ?

[psugumar]

Originally Posted by Khajur

listen, ur knowledge about hinduism is Zero.
So stop acting like an expert and ranting BS.

Even hindu members here may not be experts on hindu religion just like muslim members on islam.

If u really want to know about hindu religion,u may just google search it as web is filling with very good sites dedicated to hindu religion...thanx.

I completely agree with this, Your full life is not enough to learn a drop in a ocean

[Jako]

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Originally Posted by Mark&Porus

Its always funny when followers of one religion criticize followers of another religion because they think their beliefs are "funny" or "ridiculous".

The fact is that their own beliefs are funny and ridiculous to the people who don't follow their religion, but they are simply incapable of understanding this because they've been brainwashed to follow one particular religion since childhood.

exactly sir..........moreover,religion is man's path to peace.........and there may be different paths to the same destination........thus,different religions originate and different people follow different path.....thnx

[kallu_be]

"As I said Hinduism is an ancient pagan religion, we can check Hinduisms origins and establish the fact. The number of Gods in Hinduism is undetermined. If human beings are allowed to make these God's then what right or power makes these Gods, true Gods?" -A1Kaid

You have given your own answer. As god is infinite, Hindus are trying to manifest god using undetermined (mathematical term -> infinite ) number of ways, until now they havn't so they are still creating new gods like saibaba etc . Hinduism might be silly to understand, but ones life time is not sufficient to understand its abstract principles as the principles are not formulated by one person but by many intellectuals over the span of thousands of years.

[Khajur]

Any one interested in the spiritual aspect of hindusim should read "bhagavad gita" which the prime scripture of "Sanatan Dharma" where Lord Krishna who the reincarination(Avatar) of Lord Vishnu tells Arjuan who is he(god) and whats his relation to Arjuna(mortal man).


http://dhriti.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/gita.jpg

http://www.hinduyuva.org/tattva-blog...1/ekam-sat.gif

As dr Dr. Naik was stating earlier in the video, Lord Krishna says the he is one unique & supreme and he is part of everyting infact he is everything.So a hindu believe everything as part of god in someway and worth worshipping its positive qualities as a thankful gesture.Mind it he isnt asking u
to worship him but only to follow ur karma(duty).
whoever u r worshipping its him and whoever u are killing its him.Infact u are part of him and u r him.

All the rituals puja ceremony hindu ppl follow are part of hindu way of life, its hardly anything to do with spirituality .Importan thing here to notice is lord Krisna isnt intiating Arjuna to hindu religion,Arjuna is already a hindu .He is just answering the questions whose answers every motral looks for in his life.

This is my little knowledge about Gita which i have never read fully.

[shravan]

Was the Kaaba Originally a Hindu Temple?
By P.N. Oak (Historian)

Glancing through some research material recently, I was pleasantly surprised to come across a reference to a king Vikramaditya inscription found in the Kaaba in Mecca proving beyond doubt that the Arabian Peninsula formed a part of his Indian Empire.

The text of the crucial Vikramaditya inscription, found inscribed on a gold dish hung inside the Kaaba shrine in Mecca, is found recorded on page 315 of a volume known as ‘Sayar-ul-Okul’ treasured in the Makhtab-e-Sultania library in Istanbul, Turkey. Rendered in free English the inscription says:

"Fortunate are those who were born (and lived) during king Vikram’s reign. He was a noble, generous dutiful ruler, devoted to the welfare of his subjects. But at that time we Arabs, oblivious of God, were lost in sensual pleasures. Plotting and torture were rampant. The darkness of ignorance had enveloped our country. Like the lamb struggling for her life in the cruel paws of a wolf we Arabs were caught up in ignorance. The entire country was enveloped in a darkness so intense as on a new moon night. But the present dawn and pleasant sunshine of education is the result of the favour of the noble king Vikramaditya whose benevolent supervision did not lose sight of us- foreigners as we were. He spread his sacred religion amongst us and sent scholars whose brilliance shone like that of the sun from his country to ours. These scholars and preceptors through whose benevolence we were once again made cognisant of the presence of God, introduced to His sacred existence and put on the road of Truth, had come to our country to preach their religion and impart education at king Vikramaditya’s behest."

For those who would like to read the Arabic wording I reproduce it hereunder in Roman script:

"Itrashaphai Santu Ibikramatul Phahalameen Karimun Yartapheeha Wayosassaru Bihillahaya Samaini Ela Motakabberen Sihillaha Yuhee Quid min howa Yapakhara phajjal asari nahone osirom bayjayhalem. Yundan blabin Kajan blnaya khtoryaha sadunya kanateph netephi bejehalin Atadari bilamasa- rateen phakef tasabuhu kaunnieja majekaralhada walador. As hmiman burukankad toluho watastaru hihila Yakajibaymana balay kulk amarena phaneya jaunabilamary Bikramatum".

(Page 315 Sayar-ul-okul).

[Note: The title ‘Saya-ul-okul’ signifies memorable words.]

A careful analysis of the above inscription enables us to draw the following conclusions:

1. That the ancient Indian empires may have extended up to the eastern boundaries of Arabia until Vikramaditya and that it was he who for the first time conquered Arabia. Because the inscription says that king Vikram who dispelled the darkness of ignorance from Arabia.
2. That, whatever their earlier faith, King Vikrama’s preachers had succeeded in spreading the Vedic (based on the Vedas, the Hindu sacred scriptures)) way of life in Arabia.
3. That the knowledge of Indian arts and sciences was imparted by Indians to the Arabs directly by founding schools, academies and cultural centres. The belief, therefore, that visiting Arabs conveyed that knowledge to their own lands through their own indefatigable efforts and scholarship is unfounded.

An ancillary conclusion could be that the so-called Kutub Minar (in Delhi, India) could well be king Vikramadiya’s tower commemorating his conquest of Arabia. This conclusion is strengthened by two pointers. Firstly, the inscription on the iron pillar near the so-called Kutub Minar refers to the marriage of the victorious king Vikramaditya to the princess of Balhika. This Balhika is none other than the Balkh region in West Asia. It could be that Arabia was wrestled by king Vikramaditya from the ruler of Balkh who concluded a treaty by giving his daughter in marriage to the victor. Secondly, the township adjoining the so called Kutub Minar is named Mehrauli after Mihira who was the renowned astronomer-mathematician of king Vikram’s court. Mehrauli is the corrupt form of Sanskrit ‘Mihira-Awali’ signifying a row of houses raised for Mihira and his helpers and assistants working on astronomical observations made from the tower.

Having seen the far reaching and history shaking implications of the Arabic inscription concerning king Vikrama, we shall now piece together the story of its find. How it came to be recorded and hung in the Kaaba in Mecca. What are the other proofs reinforcing the belief that Arabs were once followers of the Indian Vedic way of life and that tranquillity and education were ushered into Arabia by king Vikramaditya’s scholars, educationists from an uneasy period of "ignorance and turmoil" mentioned in the inscription.

In Istanbul, Turkey, there is a famous library called Makhatab-e-Sultania, which is reputed to have the largest collection of ancient West Asian literature. In the Arabic section of that library is an anthology of ancient Arabic poetry. That anthology was compiled from an earlier work in A.D. 1742 under the orders of the Turkish ruler Sultan Salim.

The pages of that volume are of Hareer – a kind of silk used for writing on. Each page has a decorative gilded border. That anthology is known as Sayar-ul-Okul. It is divided into three parts. The first part contains biographic details and the poetic compositions of pre-Islamic Arabian poets. The second part embodies accounts and verses of poets of the period beginning just after prophet Mohammad’s times, up to the end of the Banee-Um-Mayya dynasty. The third part deals with later poets up to the end of Khalif Harun-al-Rashid’s times.

Abu Amir Asamai, an Arabian bard who was the poet Laureate of Harun-al-Rashid’s court, has compiled and edited the anthology.

The first modern edition of ‘Sayar-ul-Okul’ was printed and published in Berlin in 1864. A subsequent edition is the one published in Beirut in 1932.

The collection is regarded as the most important and authoritative anthology of ancient Arabic poetry. It throws considerable light on the social life, customs, manners and entertainment modes of ancient Arabia. The book also contains an elaborate description of the ancient shrine of Mecca, the town and the annual fair known as OKAJ which used to be held every year around the Kaaba temple in Mecca. This should convince readers that the annual haj of the Muslims to the Kaaba is of earlier pre-Islamic congregation.

But the OKAJ fair was far from a carnival. It provided a forum for the elite and the learned to discuss the social, religious, political, literary and other aspects of the Vedic culture then pervading Arabia. ‘Sayar-ul-Okul’ asserts that the conclusion reached at those discussions were widely respected throughout Arabia. Mecca, therefore, followed the Varanasi tradition (of India) of providing a venue for important discussions among the learned while the masses congregated there for spiritual bliss. The principal shrines at both Varanasi in India and at Mecca in Arvasthan (Arabia) were Siva temples. Even to this day ancient Mahadev (Siva) emblems can be seen. It is the Shankara (Siva) stone that Muslim pilgrims reverently touch and kiss in the Kaaba.

Arabic tradition has lost trace of the founding of the Kaaba temple. The discovery of the Vikramaditya inscription affords a clue. King Vikramaditya is known for his great devotion to Lord Mahadev (Siva). At Ujjain (India), the capital of Vikramaditya, exists the famous shrine of Mahankal, i.e., of Lord Shankara (Siva) associated with Vikramaditya. Since according to the Vikramaditya inscription he spread the Vedic religion, who else but he could have founded the Kaaba temple in Mecca?

A few miles away from Mecca is a big signboard which bars the entry of any non-Muslim into the area. This is a reminder of the days when the Kaaba was stormed and captured solely for the newly established faith of Islam. The object in barring entry of non-Muslims was obviously to prevent its recapture.

As the pilgrim proceeds towards Mecca he is asked to shave his head and beard and to don special sacred attire that consists of two seamless sheets of white cloth. One is to be worn round the waist and the other over the shoulders. Both these rites are remnants of the old Vedic practice of entering Hindu temples clean- and with holy seamless white sheets.

The main shrine in Mecca, which houses the Siva emblem, is known as the Kaaba. It is clothed in a black shroud. That custom also originates from the days when it was thought necessary to discourage its recapture by camouflaging it.

According to the Encyclopaedia Britannica, the Kaaba has 360 images. Traditional accounts mention that one of the deities among the 360 destroyed when the place was stormed, was that of Saturn; another was of the Moon and yet another was one called Allah. That shows that in the Kaaba the Arabs worshipped the nine planets in pre-Islamic days. In India the practice of ‘Navagraha’ puja, that is worship of the nine planets, is still in vogue. Two of these nine are Saturn and Moon.

In India the crescent moon is always painted across the forehead of the Siva symbol. Since that symbol was associated with the Siva emblem in Kaaba it came to be grafted on the flag of Islam.

Another Hindu tradition associated with the Kaaba is that of the sacred stream Ganga (sacred waters of the Ganges river). According to the Hindu tradition Ganga is also inseparable from the Shiva emblem as the crescent moon. Wherever there is a Siva emblem, Ganga must co-exist. True to that association a sacred fount exists near the Kaaba. Its water is held sacred because it has been traditionally regarded as Ganga since pre-Islamic times (Zam-Zam water).

[Note: Even today, Muslim pilgrims who go to the Kaaba for Haj regard this Zam-Zam water with reverence and take some bottled water with them as sacred water.]

Muslim pilgrims visiting the Kaaba temple go around it seven times. In no other mosque does the circumambulation prevail. Hindus invariably circumambulate around their deities. This is yet another proof that the Kaaba shrine is a pre-Islamic Indian Shiva temple where the Hindu practice of circumambulation is still meticulously observed.

The practice of taking seven steps- known as Saptapadi in Sanskrit- is associated with Hindu marriage ceremony and fire worship. The culminating rite in a Hindu marriage enjoins upon the bride and groom to go round the sacred fire four times (but misunderstood by many as seven times). Since "Makha" means fire, the seven circumambulations also prove that Mecca was the seat of Indian fire-worship in the West Asia.

It might come as a stunning revelation to many that the word ‘ALLAH’ itself is Sanskrit. In Sanskrit language Allah, Akka and Amba are synonyms. They signify a goddess or mother. The term ‘ALLAH’ forms part of Sanskrit chants invoking goddess Durga, also known as Bhavani, Chandi and Mahishasurmardini. The Islamic word for God is., therefore, not an innovation but the ancient Sanskrit appellation retained and continued by Islam. Allah means mother or goddess and mother goddess.

One Koranic verse is an exact translation of a stanza in the Yajurveda. This was pointed out by the great research scholar Pandit Satavlekar of Pardi in one of his articles.

[Note: Another scholar points out that the following teaching from the Koran is exactly similar to the teaching of the Kena Upanishad (1.7).

Kaaba a Hindu Temple?

[kallu_be]

Originally Posted by Khajur

Any one interested in the spiritual aspect of hindusim should read "bhagavad gita" which the prime scripture of "Sanatan Dharma" where Lord Krishna who the reincarination(Avatar) of Lord Vishnu tells Arjuan who is he(god) and whats his relation to Arjuna(mortal man).


http://dhriti.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/gita.jpg

http://www.hinduyuva.org/tattva-blog...1/ekam-sat.gif

As dr Dr. Naik was stating earlier in the video, Lord Krishna says the he is one unique & supreme and he is part of everyting infact he is everything.So a hindu believe everything as part of god in someway and worth worshipping its positive qualities as a thankful gesture.Mind it he isnt asking u
to worship him but only to follow ur karma(duty).
whoever u r worshipping its him and whoever u are killing its him.Infact u are part of him and u r him.

All the rituals puja ceremony hindu ppl follow are part of hindu way of life, its hardly anything to do with spirituality .Importan thing here to notice is lord Krisna isnt intiating Arjuna to hindu religion,Arjuna is already a hindu .He is just answering the questions whose answers every motral looks for in his life.

This is my little knowledge about Gita which i have never read fully.

Exactly, One had to try to understand the concept rather than taking the words literally.

Was the Kaaba Originally a Hindu Temple?

not relevant to discussion that is going on here.

[paritosh]

Originally Posted by A1Kaid

I have proposed a fundamental question, relating to the number of Gods in Hinduism.

"As I said Hinduism is an ancient pagan religion, we can check Hinduisms origins and establish the fact. The number of Gods in Hinduism is undetermined. If human beings are allowed to make these God's then what right or power makes these Gods, true Gods?" -A1Kaid


Any Hindu members willing to answer?

The fact is if they knew the true answer, they would no longer be Hindus...

Wah-e-Wah!

to all pakistani members...dont PUSH your insights...simply ask questions!
we wont be hindus if we knew the answer?
dude...you certainly dont show the willingness to ever view this pagan religion of ours with any respect.
you have to first understand the concept of god/s in hinduism...
have you ever heard of the term 'Paramatma'? it's a hindu/buddhist term that means the supreme spirit...or god...as you like to call it.
the polygods of hinduism are not the singular power that your religion calls 'Allah'....they are the various forms in which the supreme spirit of the 'AUM' manifests itself...in the various 'avtars'...so they are not mere apostles...but the embodiment of god itself! as are all living creatures...that is why we are vegetarians and worship animals...
it is considered that each being has an 'atma' or spirit that links it to the eternal super power...this is achieved through meditation or 'tapasya'...
the 'gods' in hinduism were the incarnation of the divine spirit on earth when evil threatened humanity...the trimurti or brahma,vishnu,mahesh..are together the 'AUM'( A-brahmA;U-vishnU;M-Mahesh)...and the AUM is the 'paramatma'...brahma symolizes birth...vishnu symbolizes life,and mahesh represents death.
all the 'gods' are the avtars of the trimurti...and so they are worshiped...and are not apostles....i saw the video of zakir naik explaining the similarities between hinduism and islam...i dont know about islam...but whatever he said about hinduism wasn't totally right....there was another video that explained that christians have made a mistake in worshiping christ...for he was a mere apostle...and so Christianity is also a false religion...and that christ would forsake the christians when he returns...i mean you cant say such a thing...the christians have their own understanding of god...they call him the son of god as christ claimed to be...and you called mohammed an apostle as he claimed to be...you cant win such arguments....theres is no winning in this
when two people of a particular religion discuss a second religion...they end'p criticizing it 9/10 times...so you living in a muslim pakistan might have heard only bad things about hinduism...whilst i have muslims as well as hindus in my proximity...and so have heard good/bad things about both hinduism and islam..and so respect both.

[rubyjackass]

Back...

The last time I saw Asim was arguing that God means creator.

The first main definition is what most of the world conforms to. The rest are not very Godly definitions. As I said, the rest could also describe "A cool dude in history".

Why are Egyptian and Greek Gods called 'Gods'? May be the right word is deity.
In that case Hinduism has many deities, not Gods. According to the definition of God by wiki. God is the principal deity, which is Lord Shiva or Lord Vishnu depending on which part of India and which lineage you have.

The basic criterion for God is getting worshiped.as far as I have learnt , may be because I have got used to people calling all Hindu deities Gods.

We both made the mistake of calling them Gods. You made this mistake of calling all hindu deities as Gods and also complained that they should not all be called Gods. So thats essentially your problem.

For further discussions make suer you distinguish between God and deity. So Allah of Islam is a deity not God. God is a philosophical concept. Each religion gave its own understanding of God. Claiming one is better than other is like a blind guy saying to the other 'My dream is more colorful'.