French Contract for Pakistan for JF17 Thunder

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Reference: Feb1 , 2010
THALES : France bien placée pr contrat avions chasse Pakistan

PARIS (Dow Jones)--A l'issue d'un appel d'offres, le Pakistan vient de retenir l'intégrateur français ATE pour un contrat évalué à plus de 1 milliard d'euros et visant à équiper d'électronique et de missiles entre 50 et 100 avions de chasse JF-17, conçus avec l'aide de Pékin, rapporte vendredi Les Echos en citant des sources concordantes.

Le montant du contrat serait à partager avec les deux partenaires d'ATE, Thales SA (HO.FR) et MBDA, pour les missiles. MBDA est une filiale commune de European Aeronautic Defence & Space Co. NV (EAD.FR), BAE Systems PLC (BA.LN) et Finmeccanica Spa (FNC.MI).

"Le contrat est prêt à être signé. Mais il faut d'abord qu'un accord de sécurité soit signé entre les deux pays", souligne le quotidien économique, qui ajoute que la conclusion de cet accord pourrait intervenir au premier semestre 2010.

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Translation ::: This is a similar report from another source , which references a similar proof of contract , I only managed to find the french source listed above

Arms: France is well placed for a Mega contract with Pakistan

PARIS (Dow Jones) - Following a call for tenders, Pakistan has retained the French ATE integrator for a contract valued at more than 1 billion euros to help equip and electronics missiles between 50 and 100 fighter aircraft JF-17, designed with the help of Beijing, Les Echos reported on Friday quoting sources concurrent.

The contract would be shared with partners both the ETA, Thales SA (HO.FR) and MBDA, for missiles. MBDA is jointly owned by European Aeronautic Defense & Space Co. NV (EAD.FR), BAE Systems PLC (BA.LN) and Finmeccanica SpA (FNC.MI).
"The contract is ready to be signed. But it must first be a security agreement is signed between the two countries," the economic daily said, adding that the conclusion of this agreement could intervene in the first half of 2010.


Text below , is reported from another source.... the french source 1 did not confirm this To whome it may concern

After years of "famine", France could strike a huge arms contract from Pakistan. Following a tender, Islamabad has retained the ATE integrator to equip electronics and missiles for between 50 and 100 fighters of the JF-17 fighter planes, designed with the help of Beijing .

Its been learned from our sources, confirming a letter of "Online Intelligence" that a potentially more than 1 billion euros contract- to be shared between the French integrator ATE and its two main partners on the project--- Thales for the electronics and MBDA for missiles.


A more modern technology

The contract is ready to be signed. But first, the two countries must sign a security agreement given the sensitive nature of the equipment.

"Nearly 90% of head way for the contract has been made and the issues that remain are few and not among the most sensitive" says one source close to negotiations.

The conclusion of this bilateral agreement could be reached in the first half of 2010. A second condition that remains is that the client country, highly indebted, mobilizes the necessary funds as promised.

Desiring to have a "national/indeginous" fighter for missions including ground attack, Pakistan turned to China in mid 1990s. After many ups and downs, the program has finally taken off. The production of JF-17 has recently started. However Islamabad, anxious not to depend on one supplier for its strategical weapons and desiring a more modern technology, has deliberately limited its cooperation with Beijing. Thus, according to the plans of its air force, only the first 50 examples of the JF-17 fighter will be produced entirely under Chinese license (equipments).

For the rest (following) aircrafts, the pakistan government has launched a tender to which two French companies, ATE and Astrac (a joint venture between Thales and Safran) and Finmeccanica responded.

To finally accept the offer of ETA, even if the information has not yet been officially confirmed, the negotiated contract provides a firm order on 50 aircraft and an optional slice of the same number, with delivery expected from 2013.

Overall, Pakistan would like to build 400 JF-17, but the target remains to be confirmed. As local authorities must demonstrate first they will mobilize the money required for the standard "westernized" version of this fighter aircraft.


This deal is 99% done ~ and you might notice that 400 JF17 thunders are planned according to this








To have the luxury of having both best of chinese & french technologies is wonderful for our JF17 Thunder program -


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[ice_man]

well i don't understand why pakistan is not going for a tender & asking for ToT to be included in the deal! we should open up the french,british & the italian offers!!! we should try & getting best deal out of the lot! even probably throw in a chiense offer with ToT that will encourage others to compete that much harder!!!!

[sancho]

Any news regarding M53 engines for JF 17?

[pshamim]

Let us not forget that this contract is being subjected to a heavy pressure by Indians and to some degrees by USA. Indians are threatening to shun France from future contracts if it goes through this.

I worry a lot because French are greedy and Indians have a lot of money and French are being warned that their technology may end up with Chinese.

Let us hope that French do not succumb to the pressure.

[indianrabbit]

If India can, it should use its leverage.

[Thunder Omni Role]

The French will never eat their words of support to Pk because of hindian lobby, hindia just doesn't hold enough sway. But the point of US pressure is a good point. However this is more likely through backdoor channels because this is not the type of stuff that US state department will confess to.

This deal needs to go through for a quick counter to Cy-30MKi, otherwise we can just wait an extra 4 or 5 years or Chinese upgrades in the form of nicer engine, better weapons and radar as well. It's not the end of the world but French deal represents ugrent need to counter growing hindian aerial acquisitions with the help of the US, Russia, Israel, etc.

[sancho]

Originally Posted by pshamim

Let us not forget that this contract is being subjected to a heavy pressure by Indians and to some degrees by USA. Indians are threatening to shun France from future contracts if it goes through this.

I worry a lot because French are greedy and Indians have a lot of money and French are being warned that their technology may end up with Chinese.

Let us hope that French do not succumb to the pressure.

First of all, was there really any reliable report about India pressuring France? I mean "France JF17 deal could anger India" is nothing but claims. The other article that was posted here, was about not selling advanced radars to PAF, because of fears, that China will copy them. But neither does France want their techs beeing copied, nor are they really selling advanced radar techs.
All reports about French parts for JF 17 was mainly about Mirage F1/2000 techs, or upgrades and not latest Rafale techs.
China is already developing multi mode radars and soon there should be even AESA radars, so there won't be much they could gain from RC 400 right?
Do you really expect the US to bother about China getting RC 400 radars in their hand, or more about getting APG 68?
And why should India bother? IAF is converting nearly every main fighter to AESA radar and will get most of these techs and weapons through Mirage 2000 upgrade now too.

These techs and weapons are good and the way PAF wants them may say something about the quality of the Chinese techs the first JF 17 will have, but the fact remains that JF 17 will be the least capable PAF fighter (at least till they got AESA radars) behind the F16s.

[Creder]

Originally Posted by sancho

First of all, was there really any reliable report about India pressuring France? I mean "France JF17 deal could anger India" is nothing but claims. The other article that was posted here, was about not selling advanced radars to PAF, because of fears, that China will copy them. But neither does France want their techs beeing copied, nor are they really selling advanced radar techs.
All reports about French parts for JF 17 was mainly about Mirage F1/2000 techs, or upgrades and not latest Rafale techs.
China is already developing multi mode radars and soon there should be even AESA radars, so there won't be much they could gain from RC 400 right?
Do you really expect the US to bother about China getting RC 400 radars in their hand, or more about getting APG 68?
And why should India bother? IAF is converting nearly every main fighter to AESA radar and will get most of these techs and weapons through Mirage 2000 upgrade now too.

These techs and weapons are good and the way PAF wants them may say something about the quality of the Chinese techs the first JF 17 will have, but the fact remains that JF 17 will be the least capable PAF fighter (at least till they got AESA radars) behind the F16s.

you guys had your panties in a bunch over just some minor bomb sales and those paper drones, ofcourse this is gonna piss off your government and they'll try to do whatever they can to block this deal

[sergente rehan]

I thought that french will give contarcts only to whom will purchase their Rafale....any details about the hardware, ToT etc. that we are buying from french's?

[BATMAN]

but the fact remains that JF 17 will be the least capable PAF fighter

Grapes are sour...

[sancho]

Originally Posted by BATMAN

Grapes are sour...

I request not to quote out of context!

I said:

but the fact remains that JF 17 will be the least capable PAF fighter (at least till they got AESA radars) behind the F16s.

[ahmed]

If we got it than JF17 will become a fighter jet with great potential ,,,,,,,,,, and major threat across the border in future .

[HAIDER]

Why media degrade RC400....What's reason India rejected this radar ?...and why PAF Thunder is accepting

[chachachoudhary]

Originally Posted by HAIDER

Why media degrade RC400....What's reason India rejected this radar ?...and why PAF Thunder is accepting

Buddy, media will always have conflicting claims and counterclaims, same goes for RC400.

India rejected this because it has been operating similar radars with different nomenclatures and moreever india has been spoiled by choices unlike PAF.

[araz]

Originally Posted by pshamim

Let us not forget that this contract is being subjected to a heavy pressure by Indians and to some degrees by USA. Indians are threatening to shun France from future contracts if it goes through this.

I worry a lot because French are greedy and Indians have a lot of money and French are being warned that their technology may end up with Chinese.

Let us hope that French do not succumb to the pressure.

Pshamim Saheb
welcome back again. Long time no hear , although follow you on our sister forum. As to the Indian angle, I am personally more worried about ht e US pressure, that is being applied. The Indians have baited so many wolves, they simply cannot afford to feed them all. Sooner or later they will have to make their minds up. I suspect, the french realize that and may delay things a little bit , but eventually will sell to both sides as is their norm. Sure the terms may be harsher , and end user agreement will have a lot more french control than usual, but they will sell.The other million dollar question is whether PAF will have the necessary money to buy. At the moment the outcome looks pretty bleak from the latter point of view.
WaSalam
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