JF-17 French Avionics Deal On Hold/Cancelled

[Prayag]

Lets stick to topic.

[TaimiKhan]

Originally Posted by Prayag

Lets stick to topic.

Thanks for the advice, but we are sticking to the topic, as we are comparing what French have offered and is to offer compared to others which are the contenders in case the French deal totally goes bust.

So we are pretty much in the right discussion.

[deathfromabove]

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[AgNoStIc MuSliM]

Former finance minister Shaukat Tarin may have sealed the fate of the almost $20 billion LNG deal with French company, GDF-Suez, on Monday when in his written affidavit to the three-member bench of the Supreme Court he confirmed that the controversial contract was awarded after “clear process lapses” and requested the chief justice to order award of a new contract after fresh evaluation of all bidders and proposals.

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Hmm.. A $20 billion contract possibly going down the drain. I wonder if this was behind the French decision, a way to pressure the powers that be in Pakistan to let the LNG contract go through perhaps ...

[kursed]

20 billion $? It was a 1 billion $ contract, and the bid by Fauji Foundation was the lowest which was ignored by the committee. Now it'll be re-done.

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Salam ho Shukat Tareen Sahib for identifying curruption

Thank you

Let the court handle the 1 billion dollar scam ...

[TaimiKhan]

Originally Posted by AgNoStIc MuSliM

Hmm.. A $20 billion contract possibly going down the drain. I wonder if this was behind the French decision, a way to pressure the powers that be in Pakistan to let the LNG contract go through perhaps ...

This would be a good way to pay back the French.

[WAQAS119]

Geo Shaukat Tareen.... great work

[Mr. cool]

I think Pakistan should not go with China's Avionics for up gradation of JF-17. Instead you should try Britain and Germany avionics for same.

Yes china's avionics will be cheaper and easily available but it's not worth it.

and if you want to convert your JF-17 in Potent fighter then you have to do some of the following things.........

1) Up grade it with European avionics rather then China.

2) Change Engine, use Chines one (Russian Engine is batter for india but not for Pakistan due to diplomatic reason)

3) Advance Air to air missile (Because india already using Python and Derby missile of Israel)

4) Use AESA radar(But not from China)

5) Higher use of Composite M/T with RAM for Lower radar reflectivity and Higher Thrust to weight ratio.

Regards,

MR. Cool

[mughaljee]

Originally Posted by Mr. cool

I think Pakistan should not go with China's Avionics for up gradation for JF-17. Instead you should try to Britain and Germany for the same.

What about France, which we believe "Deal" heldup due to India?
R U Agent of Britain & Germany

[Mr. cool]

Originally Posted by mughaljee

What about France, which we believe "Deal" heldup due to India?
R U Agent of Britain & Germany

No i am not

[The brave knight]

France like the US has never been a reliable supplier for Pakistan. In the 70s the French canceled a Nuclear processing plant that had been signed between the two countries.

[AgNoStIc MuSliM]

Originally Posted by kursed

20 billion $? It was a 1 billion $ contract, and the bid by Fauji Foundation was the lowest which was ignored by the committee. Now it'll be re-done.

I believe the contract was $1billion over that of the lowest bid, hence the reference to a loss of $1 billion.

It is a long term contract:

"Government of Pakistan awarded a contract to GDF Suez to supply 3.75 million tons per annum of liquefied natural gas (LNG) for a period of 20 years."

Shell was apparently also a bidder, and their offer was even higher:

"The price of LNG imported from GDF Suez will be $1.8 billon lower than the rates offered by Shell in the first six years, the import price will be around $9.3 per MMBtu said, G A Sabri, senior petroleum ministry official. "
Pakistan Awards LNG Contract To GDF Suez | Pakistani | Pakistani News | Pakistani-American News | Pakistani Blog | Pakistan Forex News | Pakistan Commodities News | Pakistan Business News | Ibrahim Sajid Malick Blog

And the Minister for Petroleum and Natural Resources Naveed Qamar is in fact stating that the overall contract was worth $25 billion.
Pakistan to gain $1.33 billion from LNG procurement project

I would not be surprised if this was also a factor.

[IceCold]

Originally Posted by ramu

Do you agree that JF-17 will be manufactured in large numbers and AESA radar does not come cheap ? All I am trying to say is JF-17 is a cost effective aircraft that has a cost advantage that suits Pakistan. The moment we consider avionics from France, AESA radar, etc, its price shoots up.

Hasnt the price issue beaten to death and buried down the hatchet. Why bring it out again and again. Who better then the PAF will know what being cost effective means.

Give it a rest.

[desiman]

Originally Posted by AgNoStIc MuSliM

I believe the contract was $1billion over that of the lowest bid, hence the reference to a loss of $1 billion.

It is a long term contract:

"Government of Pakistan awarded a contract to GDF Suez to supply 3.75 million tons per annum of liquefied natural gas (LNG) for a period of 20 years."

Shell was apparently also a bidder, and their offer was even higher:

"The price of LNG imported from GDF Suez will be $1.8 billon lower than the rates offered by Shell in the first six years, the import price will be around $9.3 per MMBtu said, G A Sabri, senior petroleum ministry official. "
Pakistan Awards LNG Contract To GDF Suez | Pakistani | Pakistani News | Pakistani-American News | Pakistani Blog | Pakistan Forex News | Pakistan Commodities News | Pakistan Business News | Ibrahim Sajid Malick Blog

And the Minister for Petroleum and Natural Resources Naveed Qamar is in fact stating that the overall contract was worth $25 billion.
Pakistan to gain $1.33 billion from LNG procurement project

I would not be surprised if this was also a factor.

Very immature if the fuel deal was canceled in retaliation for the holding of the avionics deal. This is not how diplomacy works. No wonder Pakistan is loosing the battle of diplomacy. International relations are not a tit for tat game, Pakistan needs seasoned professionals at the top to make such sensitive decisions. It feels that emotions are getting in the way of diplomacy.