Is General Zia responsible for whats happening Pakistan today ?

[W.11]

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i can prove that liberals are nothing but the tools of american policies or victims of theor brainwashing, america always wanted to attack afghanistan before even 9/11, its no secret and thats why they wanted to make somebody scapegoat for their WOT, it was islam, not people didnt even know tht zia created a mess and the mess was international terrorism???, but as soon as islam became scapegoat, zia became the scapegoat too, so here its the summary of liberal mindset

zia did create the mess by importing afghanis, but he didnt create international terrorism or was responsible for alquaed etc etc

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He saved us from destruction and you want him hanged for lying? Dude, Pakistan was about to take huge heat for the actions of these roaches. That's injustice. Now we get to watch a few drones throw rockets at Taliban instead of watch B1 and B2 destroy Islamabad.

your idiotic comments dont make sense to me

[King Solomon]

For what crime would you hang Musharraf? Lal Masjid was a roach house. Did you see those angry ninja's kidnapping people and calling them prostitutes? Taking police because they want to establish their own writ? Musharraf must be hailed for uncovering this roach infestation. The fact that he has to hide from his own people says a lot about our dumbazz ways.

This topic would be better if it was titled "Is Musharraf responsible for whats happening in Pakistan?"

He was the one who sacrificed national interest for America. However, he was NOT incompetent - you'll notice that the economy fared very well during his tenure. But the present govt. bought into power by him is both American puppet and incompetent. He sowed the seeds of destruction of Pakistan.

[fuse]

your idiotic comments dont make sense to me

Maybe because you're a punk with no respect for others? People who want to hang Musharraf usually smell like LeT types to me, you know the types that go missing even if they are serving Brigadiers because they plot against the state.

[B@KH]

the disaster and the worst damage that general zia infact brought for Pakistan was the establishment of the parallel setup and a government of jihadis that runs parallel to the government of pakistan. this parallel setup created by zia had wrecked havoc on Pakistan and will continue to play havoc for years to come.

[Tiki Tam Tam]

There is no doubt that it is all the legacy of a short sighted person (Zia) who had no idea of its long term consequences.

But then, he apparently was self centred since he thought by ingratiating the Mullahs, he could give legitimacy to his illegitimate Govt.

After that, none could climb down from the Tiger they were riding.

[niaz]

I have witnessed decline of Pakistan into anarchy. My views whether right or wrong are as under:

Muslim League as originally conceived in 1906 was primarily meant for safeguarding the rights of the Muslim minority. As late as 1930’s most of the Muslim political leaders were members of both Muslim league as well as All India Congress.

Allama Iqbal championed the idea of two nation theory in in 1930 address of the Muslim league. There is little doubt that campaign for Pakistan was based upon the fear that Hindu majority would overwhelm Muslim minority and therefore a separate homeland was needed for the Muslims of the subcontinent.

Most of the religious leaders led by Deoband Sheikhul Hind Maulana Madani and parties based upon religion such as Jamat Islami in India and Majlis Ahraar in what is now Pakistan; were dead against the partition mainly for two reasons:

1. Muslim League was headed by HH Agha Khan who was an Ismaeli. Allama Iqbal had flirted with the Qadianis during the 1920’s. Quaid was himself from a Shia family. Religious parties were therefore very sceptical of the loyalty of Muslim League leadership to the Muslim cause.

2. There was a genuine apprehension that Muslims left behind in India would be worse off if majority of Muslims became separate.

Pakistan as conceived by the founding fathers of Muslim League was therefore never really accepted by the religious parties.

Spirit of tolerance and moderation as evisaged by the foundind fathers continued until ZA Bhutto, as a last resort to hang on to power, promulgated the Islamization Ordinance in 1974. This act did not help ZAB to survive but was exploited to the full by the usurper Zia ul Haq who was a JI follower. It was from this time that shape of Pakistani religious landscape changed irrevocably.

It was also during ZAB era that Pakistan’s international political alliances changed. While in 1965 war our main friends from our neighbours were Iran and Indonesia; Saudi Arabia became the dominant influence on Pakistan from the 1977 onwards. China Pakistan friendship was also cemented during ZAB time.

Islam as practiced by the majority of Pakistanis until that time was based on Sufi version. Here the stress is on the love and forgiveness of Allah; seeking of the ‘Rabb’ thru meditation and generous deed is the preferred path. However with the Zia era and thru overwhelming Deobandi influence coupled with Saudi funding, Wahabi version of Islam came into prominence. Unlike the Sufi Islam, this version believes in frightening the followers with punishment in after life and believes in implementing Sharia Laws thru force if necessary. One can say that Islam in Pakistan became more Saudi Arab style after Zia ul Haq.

Ask anyone who is old enough and he would concur that Pakistan was a far more peaceful and law abiding place before Zia. Public flogging and Hudood laws did not make Pakistanis better Muslims. In fact lawlessness, drug abuse and corruption increased during Zia’s time and continue unabated to this day.

1979 Afghan jihad made the matters worse. US exploited extremist elements to wage proxy war against the Soviet Union. Most of the extremist lashkars and sipahs were formed during the time of Zia ul Haq on very soon thereafter.

Jamaat ul Dawa was formed in 1985 at Muridke. LET, an offshoot was formed in 1990 in Afghanistan by Gen Aslam Beg who took over when Zia died. SSP was formed in 1985 with the blessing of Zia ul Haq and funded by Saudi Arabia to counter Shia influence after Iranian revolution. Lashkar Jhangvi and Jaish Mohamed are off shoots of SSP.

Shia terrorist organization Sepah Mohammed funded by Iran also formed during the late 80’s to counter SSP and Lashkar Jhangvi.

Tahreek Nifaz Shariat Mohammadi of Sufi Mohammed (Swat) also formed in 1992. Both Qari Saifullah and Ilyas Kashmiri of Harkat ul Jihad Islami were product of Zia ul Haq era.

It is widely acknowledged that MQM formed in 1984 by Altaf Hussein also originated with the blessing of Zia ul Haq and ISI, mainly to counter the influence of PPP among the Urdu speaking Sindh population.

In my view it is incorrect to assume that current terrorist acts are a reaction of the US drone attacks. Only those naïve in the extreme believe this. Madrassah's had mushroomed and Pakistan was well on the road to religious intolerance and extremism even before the 9/11.

To prove my point, may I remind the readers that there were no drone attacks prior to 2004 whereas religious violence, in one form or another has been going on since the late 1980’s.

Sectarian violence in Pakistan started with the killing of the Wahabi leader Allama Ehsan Zaheer in Lahore in 1987 and followed by the murder of Shia Allama Arif Al Husseini in 1988. It is estimated that between 1990 and 2002 nearly 1300 people had lost their lives in sectarian violence in Pakistan (approximately two thirds were Shias). This included Momenpura massacre in Lahore, attacks on Shia Imam bargahs. Killing of Iranian cadets and engineers and of Shia Hazaras in Quetta. Sunni mosques were bombed and SSP leaders such as Tariq Azam and Zia ur Rahman were murdered by the Shia terrorists. Shaukat Mirza, a personal friend, who was MD of PSO, was killed in Karachi just because he was a Shia. Fight between Sunni Orakzai and Shia Turi tribes of Parachinar and Hungu areas carries on to this day.

Among non-sectarian violence; 11 French engineers helping PN in Augusta project were in killed in a suicide bomb attack Karachi in May 2002. In June 2002 US Consulate in Karachi was attacked when a suicide bomber killed 12 and injured 50. In Feb 2003, motor cycle riders attacked and killed two police officers guarding US embassy. In December 2003 two bombs exploded on Musharraf’s convoy killing 14.

I am therefore convinced that person responsible for pushing a moderate and progressive Pakistan into the abyss of religious extremism is none other than the bigot Zia ul Haq. May he rot in hell for ever.

[ice_man]

zia brought out the feeling of majority of pakistan, pakistanis were always conservative, it was the ruling elite that had supressed majority and still is

you are saying as if before zia, pakistan represented the majority?? is pakistan now??

THERE IS A BIG BIG BIGGGGGGG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN intolerant & conservative! ruling elite well they don't represnet pakistan today or back in the day! but we were never intolerant!

you won't hear corruption scandals from the 60s,70s or you won't hear about blasphemy law from 50s,60,s70s

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

I suppose the answer is YES what happened happened lets talk about PRESENT AND now ....

1) Fight corroption
2) Fight tax evasion
3) Fight Electricity theft

Three major issues but anyone can make a difference in such matters by reporting people

[twofriends]

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Zia is major guilty person for what Pakistan is facing today. he is the person who turned our Foreing position. he who started Jihad for USA he who started exploitaion in the name of Islam he who started Bradriizm in elections he who involved wealth in politics he who promoted kalshan culture etc