Army Rejects Gillani Claims - Gillani sacks Defence Secretary

[Capt.Popeye]

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back 4 buildings will be for HQ of east west insurgency and civil gov

Oh, I did'nt know that. But its a good looking campus alright. Suitable for a University or something like that.

[OrionHunter]

That proposed new complex looks good. A very calm and peaceful setting with all that greenery. Looks just like the campus of an educational institution.

I think it looks too 'girlie' for a military HQ!! There's no macho appeal to it.

[T-Rex]

There is a limit for Court and Army in democracy. they should stay in there limit. Court can suggest the Election commission or govt for early election. Court can reject some one election if it is unfair. court can not dethrone the govt.

Similar Army can come when asked by civil govt to take care of law and order (under extreme condition only). Soldiers can not be masters..

The PPP government was brought to power by Musharraf and the US through a sham election, so I wouldn't call that a very democratic process. There's no law saying that there cannot be an early election after an elected(as you say) government is forced by the law to resign. A proven convict cannot hold any public office, may be they can in india but in a country where the rule of law is the norm they cannot.

[Amolthebest]

It's crystal clear that there will be no coup. Sigh breath for India.

[I spikes therefore I am]

thats why new buildings complex is must ofr GHQ as its more busy then any other building in pakistan

Awesome building plan , I can able to see UNITED COLORS OF BENETTON LOGO/SYMBOL.

[Donatello]

It's crystal clear that there will be no coup. Sigh breath for India.

And why is that worrisome for India?

What have the coup done to India?

Like Mastan Khan usually says, there is no place on this forum for Stupid comments.

[Amolthebest]

And why is that worrisome for India?

What have the coup done to India?

Like Mastan Khan usually says, there is no place on this forum for Stupid comments.

1965- Ayub Khan
1971- Yahya Khan
1984- SIachin War
1999- when Mushy was more powerful than nawaz.

need more proofs?

[Ranasikander]

Following article gives an interesting insight in to how the indians are viewing the present situation in Pakistan.

PAKISTAN: STILL ON THE BRINK
B.RAMAN

"The War of Nerves in Pakistan, which has degenerated into a War of the Institutions of the State, shows no signs of ending.

2. The lack of self-restraint on the part of the three institutions involved in the war---the elected executive, the Army and the judiciary--- has kept the country on the brink. The inflexible stand taken by the three institutions has created the danger of a possible institutional collapse, the main beneficiaries of which could be neither the elected executive, nor the army nor the judiciary, but the ****** elements opposed to a liberal democracy who are waiting in the wings for the collapse of the State.

3.The ****** elements, who had always advocated the end of the liberal democracy on the ground that it gives greater importance to the will of the people than to the will of Allah, are hoping that the present civil war of the institutions, might pave the way for the replacement of a liberal democratic State by a ****** State. If this happens, the implications will be serious not only for the people of Pakistan, but for the international community as a whole.
4. There is a real danger of Pakistan becoming a failed State not as a result of a collapse of its economy and/or system of governance, but as a result of the civil war being waged by the institutions of the State.

5. The Army has united behind Gen.Ashfaq Pervez Kayani, the Chief of the Army Staff (COAS). According to reliable sources, the Corps Commanders and the Principal Staff Officers, who held a strategy session at the GHQ in Rawalpindi on January 12,2012, threw their weight behind Kayani and Lt.General Ahmed Shuja Pasha, the Director-General of the Inter-Services Intelligence, and decided that the ISI should provide security to MansoorIjaz, the US citizen of Pakistani origin, who unwittingly or deliberately triggered off the present confrontation, to enable him to testify before the Judicial Enquiry Commission appointed by Chief JusticeIftikhar Mohammad Chaudhury to enquire into the allegations made by Ijaz against HussainHaqqani, former Pakistani Ambassador to US, in connection with the so-called Memogate.

6.The same sources say that the Army is firm that HussainHaqqani must be punished for what it looks upon as an act of treason in complaining to the US Government against the Pakistan Army and seeking Washington’s intervention in the matter. Punishment of Haqqani is the minimum that the Army demands as a price for relenting in its fight against the elected executive.
7. The seeming support of President Asif Ali Zardari and Prime Minister YousefRazaGilani to Haqqani even before the serious allegations made by Ijaz against him had been formally enquired into and their action in providing security to Haqqani while dragging their feet on the question of security to Ijaz have added to the anger of the Army.

8.The judiciary’s determination to go ahead with its enquiry into the allegations of Ijaz despite the non-cooperation of the executive has encouraged the inflexible stand of the Army.

9. Despite whatever one might say about the domination of the Army in the Pakistani State, the anger of the military class against the political class in general and Haqqani in particular for allegedly seeking the intervention of the US against the Pakistan Army has to be understood instead of being ridiculed. The credibility of Kayani as the leader of the military class---in the eyes of his senior officers as well as the rank and file--- could suffer if he is seen as taking a soft line on this issue.

10. To save Pakistan from a looming institutional collapse, three steps are necessary:

(a). A statement by the Government that the law will be allowed to take its course against Haqqani and that the Government will not stand in the way of the judicial enquiry into the matter.
(b).A public assurance by Kayani that all the Army wants is action against Haqqani and that it has no intention of staging a coup to overthrow the elected Government.
( c ). A reiteration by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of the judiciary’s determination not to provide ex-post facto validation to any coup staged by the Army.

11. At a time when there is a crying need for wisdom, discretion and self-imposed restraint on the part of the political class as a whole, the opportunistic attempts of Nawaz Sharif and Imran Khan to exploit the situation for their partisan purposes could push Pakistan down the precipice.

12.US policy-makers, who have nothing to learn and nothing to forget from their experiences in Pakistan, are adding to the complexities of the situation by coming out with statements and remarks which are seen by the military class as sympathetic to Haqqani. The US has to realise that it no longer has the same influence over the Pakistan Army as it used to have before May 2 last when its special forces unilaterally raided Abbottabad and killed Osama bin Laden. (13-1-12)

( The writer is Additional Secretary (retd), Cabinet Secretariat, Govt. of India, New Delhi, and, presently, Director, Institute For Topical Studies, Chennai, and Associate of the Chennai Centre For China Studies)"

[Ranasikander]

wow generals are busy in combat with islamabad and forget border were drone fly

As you know dear, Drones are flying but that doesn't matter. Drones poses no threat to Pakistan bcoz they belong to Uncle SAM and are killing the bloody civilian not the men in uniform. SO its OK.

Our military only consider those thing as violation of sovereignty in which only men in uniform are killed.

Any way Don't worry. Let the army first teach a lesson to Zardari, Gillani and Haqani. Then they will definitely discuss these Minor issue of Drone strike.

[Luftwaffe]

I think it looks too 'girlie' for a military HQ!! There's no macho appeal to it.

I do not think it looks "girlie" for Military HQ it looks somewhat from the time of Ottomam Empire or the touch of Mougal.

[LoveIcon]

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) chief Nawaz Sharif on Friday said that the government should hold general elections as early as possible in order to avoid ‘mishap’ in the country, DawnNews reported.

Sharif said that coalition partners of the Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) government were equally responsible for the crisis in the country.

“Wisdom demands that the PPP seek a fresh mandate because it is the only way to wriggle out from the morass they find themselves in,” the former prime minister said.

“Government is sinking…..partners will not be able to save themselves as well…,” said the PML-N chief.

Sharif said that PML-Q chief Shujaat Hussain should talk clearly about holding the elections earlier than scheduled rather than using a vague language about it.

The party chief advised government not to choose the path of collision and comply with apex court’s verdicts.

The PML-N chief said that his party does not support martial laws. “It would be sensible that it (coup) not be given a chance,” he added.

He warned the government that if it tried to complete its tenure ignoring ground realities and refusing to bring good governance, the economic and political situation would deteriorate further.

[Peaceful Civlian]

Army should focus on our defense instead to dry Politicians and get involvement in dirty Politics...
We should worry about New Typhoon,Hypersonics and PakFa coming on our borders.

No doubt our Scientists are best scientist in the world who are accommodating every complex technology i.e Cruise missiles, Pop eye and other thousands of examples despite of Limited Budget.

[Rahil khan]

1965- Ayub Khan
1971- Yahya Khan
1984- SIachin War
1999- when Mushy was more powerful than nawaz.

need more proofs?

Hey hey watch your attitude brother. Burma was not involved in supplying ammo and training to Mukti Bahni.....And it was not Pak army who started conquering their own land on Siachin Glacier in 1984.....Infact military coups have always benefited India.....believe me......don't need to elaborate here if you can understand...

[Al Bhatti]

wow generals are busy in combat with islamabad and forget border were drone fly

Diversifying thier activities to everything possible except the main duty.

[Myth_buster_1]

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I know you guys love your army most.. But if today Army take control of power you misery will not end, rather increase...
1. Election is near, If army takes control. Zardari and Gilani will declare themself martyr, and savior of democracy.
2. Liberals will start blaming army for killing democracy.
3. Taliban may take control of Pakistan.

So army must stay in barrack and let the election take place (next year).

I 100% agree with point 1 and 2. Point 3 is immature.