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    Default Opinion Poll: Ban the Dual Nationals from holding any public office ?



    I am not aware of any developed country allowing dual citizens to hold ANY public office until they surrender the foreign Citizenship. With the historic dismissal of Rehman Malik , it is pivotal for Pakistan to ban ALL dual nationals to hold ANY public office which also includes heading any political party.

    Please participate in the poll and discussion in a civil manner.

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    Default Re: Opinion Poll: Ban the Dual Nationals from holding any public office ?

    Edit: Here now!
    They should never be allowed
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    Default Re: Opinion Poll: Ban the Dual Nationals from holding any public office ?

    Funny though, 99% of assembly members, both provincial and federal, are either American or British passport holders.

    Even more amusing is that thousands of civil servants,, who get salaries in Pakistan won foreign passports... only during official trips.

    I know many chosen media men had also awarded with foreign passport while working for Pakistani news channels.

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    Default Re: Opinion Poll: Ban the Dual Nationals from holding any public office ?

    Shouldnt be allowed in Legistalive assemblies or as Ambassadors to foreign Countries...

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    Default Re: Opinion Poll: Ban the Dual Nationals from holding any public office ?

    Dual citizenship for provincial and federal officials should be banned in every country not just Pakistan. It makes one wonder where their interests lie.
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    Default Re: Opinion Poll: Ban the Dual Nationals from holding any public office ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aeronaut View Post
    I am not aware of any developed country allowing dual citizens to hold ANY public office until they surrender the foreign Citizenship. With the historic dismissal of Rehman Malik , it is pivotal for Pakistan to ban ALL dual nationals to hold ANY public office which also includes heading any political party.

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    Why not have some arrangement like india. Indians cannot hold dual citizenship. The only thing close to that is having a PIO card.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rubyjackass View Post
    Why not have some arrangement like india. Indians cannot hold dual citizenship. The only thing close to that is having a PIO card.
    Pakistan shall also have same system.

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    Default Re: Opinion Poll: Ban the Dual Nationals from holding any public office ?

    do we have 2 opinions here.......????

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    Default Re: Opinion Poll: Ban the Dual Nationals from holding any public office ?

    I voted "yes" dual nationals should be banned from holding any public office. They shouldn't have been allowed to be in the government in the first place.

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    Default Re: Opinion Poll: Ban the Dual Nationals from holding any public office ?

    Quote Originally Posted by rubyjackass View Post
    Why not have some arrangement like india. Indians cannot hold dual citizenship. The only thing close to that is having a PIO card.
    Dual Citizenship should remain allowed for the common Joe but not for the gov people.
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    Default Re: Opinion Poll: Ban the Dual Nationals from holding any public office ?

    Very good Idea.

    I think they should be banned from holding office.

    Their game is to embezzle and de-fraud Pakistan and when **** hits the ceiling, quickly slip away to the west without having to face repercussions.

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    Default Re: Opinion Poll: Ban the Dual Nationals from holding any public office ?

    I was just going to post a thread on this, but saw this one!

    On topic now, yes they should be banned from sitting in assemblies and public offices. Although be given the right to vote, but not to hold a public office.

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    Default Re: Opinion Poll: Ban the Dual Nationals from holding any public office ?

    bad news for all the above douche bags

    PPP, PML-N may sit together again for members

    bhugat rahe ho na ??

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    Default Re: Opinion Poll: Ban the Dual Nationals from holding any public office ?

    Saad Rasool
    5 June 2012


    On May 25, the Supreme Court of Pakistan suspended Farahnaz Ispahani’s membership of the National Assembly on the grounds of dual citizenship (of Pakistan and the United States). A three-member bench, headed by the chief justice, observed that Ispahani could not participate in National Assembly proceedings on account of her dual nationality. And just yesterday, as a follow-up, Rehman Malik’s Senate membership was also suspended by the apex court, on account of him holding dual nationality of United Kingdom. Crux of the issue, as discussed by the Supreme Court, has been that those who owe fidelity to another country cannot be entrusted with adequately safeguarding the interests of Pakistan.

    The case raises a number of issues worth consideration. Is dual nationality illegal per se? Or is it only a bar for contesting and/or serving as a member of the parliament? Does the law, as it stands today, address the very valid concern that those whose fidelity to Pakistan is questionable should not be members of the parliament? Or, do the law and constitution, while attempting to address this issue, miss the point entirely?

    The legal provisions underlying this issue must be considered. First, it needs to be clarified that ‘citizenship’, in Pakistan, is governed by the provisions of The Citizenship Act, 1951 (II of 1951). In particular, section 14 of The Citizenship Act, 1951 lays down the law regarding dual citizenship or nationality. Barring a few exceptions (relating to age and marriage) this section stipulates that a person shall “cease to be a citizen of Pakistan” upon acquiring another nationality. However, subsection (3) of section 14 states that this bar would not apply to any person who “is also the citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies or of such other country as the Federal Government may, by notification in the official Gazette, specify in this behalf.” In essence, this means that acquiring a second nationality does not strip any person of his/her Pakistani nationality, so long as that other (acquired) nationality is of a country that the Federal Government has so notified.

    Fair enough. Dual nationality, therefore, is not impermissible in all cases. What, then, is the problem in cases concerning dual nationality and membership of the parliament? Studying the Constitution of Pakistan – in particular Article 63 (the disqualification provisions for members of the parliament) is helpful in this case.

    Article 63 (1)(c) of the Constitution states that a person shall be disqualified from being elected or serving as a member of the parliament if he/she “ceases to be a citizen of Pakistan, or acquires the citizenship of a foreign State.” The intention of the legislature here, as apparent from comments of the Supreme Court in the Ispahani case, is that if you have “acquired” citizenship of a foreign state (or given up/lost your Pakistani citizenship) there is reason to believe that your sense of belonging and allegiance to Pakistan is so weak as to be unworthy of being a member of the parliament. Put another way, the idea of citizenship has been equated with a sense of ‘patriotism.’ And to the extent that you ‘acquire’ another citizenship, your sense of patriotism is unworthy of elected office.

    In the case of a person who “ceases to be a citizen of Pakistan”, the constitutional provision makes sense. However, in the second part of the provision, the language does not bar anyone who “has dual nationality” – no. The bar is only against someone who “acquires” a foreign citizenship. A number of issues flow from this.

    First, the provision expressly disqualifies a person who “acquires” a foreign nationality. However, conversely, the bar of disqualification from being a member of the parliament does not affect a person who was born a foreign national and later “acquires” Pakistani citizenship. Such a person is carefully carved out of the disqualification clause, and such person’s loyalty to the State is (apparently) deemed ‘stronger’ than someone who does the reverse. Now, the natural example of someone acquiring Pakistani nationality would be a person of Pakistani origin, who was born abroad and later becomes a citizen of Pakistan. However, expanding the logic a little, even a foreign national (say some guy named Raymond Davis, for example) who “acquires” Pakistani citizenship is not disqualified under Article 63(1)(c) per se.

    Second, even if a stretched-out argument is made to suggest that the acquiring of Pakistani nationality is a declaration of loyalty to the State of Pakistan and acquiring a foreign nationality is the opposite thereof, the logic falls apart when applied to real-life examples. For example, Javed Ahmed Ghamdi, who has had to flee Pakistan after his criticism of the Salmaan Taseer murder, may have to (out of compulsion) seek citizenship of another country to live there (for his safety). In such a case, a person like Ghamdi (despite his apparent love for Pakistan and for Islam) will be disqualified from seeking public office under Article 63(1)(c). On the other hand, if some Afghan militant, who may even have fought against the Pakistan army, subsequently takes refuge in our country for long enough to become its citizen, can easily make a bid for elected office. Is Ghamdi’s loyalty and fidelity to the State of Pakistan less than that of such a militant? Does Article 63(1)(c), the way it is drafted at present, address the issue of loyalty to the State of Pakistan? Does it accurately measure a person’s sense of patriotism?

    Third, it must also be asked whether holding a passport from a particular country alone is an appropriate measure of an individual’s loyalty and patriotism to that State? Should other factors not trump, or at least supplement, the issue of nationality in measuring an individual’s patriotism? What about a person who acquires a foreign citizenship but has all his/her assets in Pakistan, pays the full measure of taxes on such assets and generates employment in our economy, vis-à-vis someone (say Asif Zardari or Nawaz Sharif) who is not a foreign national but has his/her assets abroad? Who is more loyal, and therefore better suited, to being a member of the parliament?

    There is no squabbling with the idea that members of the parliament should have an unimpeachable record of patriotism and loyalty to the state of Pakistan. But the truth is that there can be no objective measure of calibrating a person’s loyalty to the State. Any attempt to ascertain loyalty and patriotism must necessarily look beyond the contours of a mere passport or nationality, towards a more comprehensive assessment. And the disqualification provision of Article 63(1)(c), as it reads for now, certainly does not address the issue.

    The author is a lawyer based in Lahore. He has a Masters in Constitutional Law from Harvard Law School.

    The views expressed by this blogger and in the following reader comments do not necessarily reflect the views and policies of the Dawn Media Group.

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    Default Re: Opinion Poll: Ban the Dual Nationals from holding any public office ?



    i am on for a ban its common sense these people does not have any interests in Pakistan , they keep foreign passport as a back up , infact i think Pakistan should completly ban dual nationality .. a person should either choose to be a pakistani national or NOT. If he has lost hope than which many have than they should pick their country of choice and leave. after all our PM says WHO IS STOPPING YOU !!??

    And we should not worry about foriegn remittance either .. banning dual nationality wont have much affect any way.
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