Pakistan will soon get J10

[regular]

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We are still dreaming about the J-10'nz but don't know when is gonna come true???........

[Safriz]

2014-2015? May be....

[A.Rafay]

Does this mean that if we get j20 model as gift then we get the j20 too!

[Safriz]

Does this mean that if we get j20 model as gift then we get the j20 too!

When did we get J-20 model?

[trident2010]

May be they gave the model of J-10A and later PAF wanted J-10B and thats why delay?

Why don't PAF induct 1-2 squadrons of J-10A as a stopgap and raise the infrastructure and training facilities for its pilots? Once J-10B delivered to PAF they can return J-10A's back to China just as IAF did with early Su-30's.

Doesn't make sense to wait with nothing for a long time rather get J-10A and once J-10B's are there replace them.

[wanglaokan]

if you ever bother to listen or read a bit more carefully you will notice that that SOME Pakistani pilots compared this with what F-16 model they practiced against, the blk-15. JFT BLK-1 is as good as the F-16 Blk30 or F-16 MLU.
it can compete with F-16 BLK52 as well for all since both are BVR capable.

remember we have only Blk-1 in PAF as of yet and as time passes, and the machine get matured, everyone can see its potential!

regards!

that's why he got banned

[wanglaokan]

May be they gave the model of J-10A and later PAF wanted J-10B and thats why delay?

Why don't PAF induct 1-2 squadrons of J-10A as a stopgap and raise the infrastructure and training facilities for its pilots? Once J-10B delivered to PAF they can return J-10A's back to China just as IAF did with early Su-30's.

Doesn't make sense to wait with nothing for a long time rather get J-10A and once J-10B's are there replace them.

J10b is more like a multirole fighter with much stronger air to ground ability than J10a, thats why PAF give up J10a and go for J10b directly.

Does this mean that if we get j20 model as gift then we get the j20 too!

PAF will get J20 before 2020, a conservative estimation.

[batmannow]

May be they gave the model of J-10A and later PAF wanted J-10B and thats why delay?

Why don't PAF induct 1-2 squadrons of J-10A as a stopgap and raise the infrastructure and training facilities for its pilots? Once J-10B delivered to PAF they can return J-10A's back to China just as IAF did with early Su-30's.

Doesn't make sense to wait with nothing for a long time rather get J-10A and once J-10B's are there replace them.

PAF is closly watching J10b in china & the modification in it, as soon as it reach to the point of perfectnesS , sure that day the cermonial dates would be anounced shortly, I think PAF hve all the time for that, but in the end of 2013 or in the mid of 2014 , it will reach to conclusion!
With other plateform maturing & getting its way in to PAF has made the real difference , J-10b will be power booster for paf.

[sancho]

J10b is more like a multirole fighter with much stronger air to ground ability than J10a, thats why PAF give up J10a and go for J10b directly.

How should that be possible? From what we have seen so far, the B version will have the same number of hardpoints, no CFTs or other changes to make it carry other A2G weapons than the A version. All the weapons that the B versions can carry, can easily be integrated into the As as well with a minor upgrade of wirings and software if at all.
The most obvious differences are in the A2A field instead, with IRST, new radar (PESA or AESA) and probably a better RCS and TWR.
So if PAF wanted to wait, then for these changes and not for A2G capabilities, besides that they might wanted to see how the Chinese engine developments might turn out.

[wanglaokan]

J10B had been put in PLAAF service in Feburary 2012 in Guangzhou, which means the delivery time of FC20 to PAF is before 2015.

How should that be possible? From what we have seen so far, the B version will have the same number of hardpoints, no CFTs or other changes to make it carry other A2G weapons than the A version. All the weapons that the B versions can carry, can easily be integrated into the As as well with a minor upgrade of wirings and software if at all.
The most obvious differences are in the A2A field instead, with IRST, new radar (PESA or AESA) and probably a better RCS and TWR.
So if PAF wanted to wait, then for these changes and not for A2G capabilities, besides that they might wanted to see how the Chinese engine developments might turn out.

Tail ECM podsJ-10B tail upper edge is curved, and J-10 sharp straight tail different. The fairing is added to the top of the wing to accommodate the electronic warfare and counter ( EW/ECM ) device.Antenna arrayJ-10B external four black array antenna attached to the fuselage, larger in the cockpit sides, smaller in the rear fuselage near the engine nozzle. These antenna detailed application is unknown, but thought to be used for electronic warfare objective analysis.Aerodynamic configurationThe -10B aerodynamic layout improvement of main points: 1, head downward sloping, vertical lines; 2 cut tip; 3, pelvic fins cut tip. The -10B head modification can be made of what effect is temporarily unable to learn, but vertical cut tip, pelvic fins cut tip effect is clear. The wing tip is cut to reduce weight, nor to the shape of the beautiful, but for practical pneumatic need. Theory and experiments have shown that, in supersonic flight, wing tip the airflow would like at subsonic speeds, from the high pressure region around the tip to the lateral area of low pressure, reduce the upper and lower wing surface pressure difference. However, due to the pressure disturbance occurs in only by the wingtip leading edge sends Machco, Maher cone, the wing is not affected. Apparently, cut off this reduces the efficiency of the wing tip, to improve the aircraft speed performance is beneficial. The -10B tail cut tip, pelvic fins cut tip helps reduce the flight resistance, improve the acceleration performance, improve the flight of aircraft. But because the DSI inlet restriction, the -10B maximum speed should be slightly lower than the -10A
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[1ndy]

I have F-22 model...
plaf, paf, iaf and other you are at risk just don't mess with me

[sandy_3126]

PAF is closly watching J10b in china & the modification in it, as soon as it reach to the point of perfectnesS , sure that day the cermonial dates would be anounced shortly, I think PAF hve all the time for that, but in the end of 2013 or in the mid of 2014 , it will reach to conclusion!
With other plateform maturing & getting its way in to PAF has made the real difference , J-10b will be power booster for paf.

J10 program was started in 1988; Interesting that an aircraft like j10 has taken 24 years in making still pakistanis are waiting for it's maturity; whereas the other aircraft made by the same company was developed and inducted within 5-7 years( as claimed by pakistani members here)- Strange.

[TaimiKhan]

J10 program was started in 1988; Interesting that an aircraft like j10 has taken 24 years in making still pakistanis are waiting for it's maturity; whereas the other aircraft made by the same company was developed and inducted within 5-7 years( as claimed by pakistani members here)- Strange.

Pakistanis are waiting for the B model equipped with Chienese engine with better electronic / avionic equipment compared to the currently operational model. So there is nothing strange here, the other aircraft also took its time and its program took another route and its parameters are different when compared to J-10B.

[Fieldmarshal]

ur worg mr. sandy infact way of the mark.
Work on JF-17 thunder stated in 1987, that 25 years. way before j-10.
thats 25 years of evolution, from the early days of super 7 with american involvement in the program to what it has eventually evolved into JF-17 thunder.
two are practically unrecognizable. and in most ways totally different platforms, as the performance envelops assigned for each platform were different.

[karan.1970]

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ur worg mr. sandy infact way of the mark.
Work on JF-17 thunder stated in 1987, that 25 years. way before j-10.
thats 25 years of evolution, from the early days of super 7 with american involvement in the program to what it has eventually evolved into JF-17 thunder.
two are practically unrecognizable. and in most ways totally different platforms, as the performance envelops assigned for each platform were different.

This is very different from what most Pakistani members claim regarding the speed of JFT development..