Chengdu: J-10/FC-20 Multirole Fighter Air Craft

[Adux]

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Hey it is no issue to me as long as it is not a RD-33,

[Neo]

Hey it is no issue to me as long as it is not a RD-33,

Its not a RD-33...we got the latest version based on (smokeless) RD-33K, the RD-93.

[Adux]

Its not a RD-33...we got the latest version based on (smokeless) RD-33K, the RD-93.

The ever flowing *********

[Neo]

This is confirmed news dude, China received 100 RD-93's which are improved RD-33K to power the FC-1/JF-17.

[A.Rahman]

This is confirmed news dude, China received 100 RD-93's which are improved RD-33K to power the FC-1/JF-17.

tell me more plz, post the news if possible

[alamgir]

As i read in some chines defence sites that china will induct j10A in small numbers, because the next version of j10 with twin engine probely ws10A with TVC and better radar and electronics will arrive in next few years,so if it is true then pakistan will go for that

[Neo]

tell me more plz, post the news if possible

Its been discussed to lenghts in Sinodefence and there's an analysis by Highsea in WAB.

But here's a report from an independant Russian source:

Things We Signed

The deal with China to sell 34 Il-76MD military transportation planes and 4 Il-78 inflight refueling tankers was the biggest one in 2005 costing $1.2 but the mass media put the price at $1.5 billion. China also ordered three sets of aircraft motors. The $267 million contract to deliver 100 RD-93 motors for Chinese FC-1 light fighters was struck in April. The $580 million order for 100 AL-31FN motors to be used for Russian Su-27SKs and Su-30MKKs followed in July. This pattern of Chinese purchases is quite peculiar. Beijing evidently prefers to gradually stop buying fight planes and start importing hardware and components parts that the Chinese industry is unable to produce so far.

http://www.kommersant.com/t651264/r_...ion_in_4_Days/

I'll be back with more...

[Neo]

Russia Signed AL-31 Engine Deal with China

According to the report of Russia media Kommersant, the Russian state-owned arms trading company Rosoboroneksport has concluded a US$300 million deal for the export of 100 modified AL-31FN turbofan engines from the Salyut Moscow Machine Building Production Enterprise to China. These engine will be fitted on the PLA Air Force’s latest indigenous J-10 fighter aircraft.

The report confirmed the earlier speculation that China had received 54 Salyut-made AL-31FP turbofan engines for a test fleet of J-10s between 2002 and 2004. Later Salyut, through Rosoboroneksport, successfully negotiated the sale of the engine for mass production of the fighter aircraft.

An official of Salyut stated that the deal, which is the latest of their deals with China, is for 100 modified AL-31FN engines worth more than US$300 million. He clearly confirmed that these engines will not be installed Russian-made fighters, but Chinese. “The contract allows us to enlarge the spectrum of our collaboration with China while avoiding ties to production only of engines of the Sukhoi family,� he said.

Salyut services and renovates engines for Su-27SK and Su-30MK2 fighters delivered to Beijing previously. A US$100 million contract was recently concluded for the delivery of parts for those engines over the next three years. It is understood that Salyut signed that contract directly, since it has a five-year license for the independent delivery of spare parts and technical servicing. It received that license in September 2002.

Experts say that the total demand of China for AL-31FN engines is 250, which could earn Russia about $900 million. Obviously, after receipt of the first lot of engines, China will sign a new contract with Salyut.

The contract with Salyut is the second within three months for the delivery of Russian engines for Chinese fighter planes. At the beginning of April, Rosoboroneksport signed a contract with Beijing for the sale of 100 RD-93 engines for the new Chinese FC-1 for $267 million. The engine was developed by the Klimov plant based on the RD-33 used in the improved MiG-29. Mass production of the RD-93 for China will be carried out at the Chernyshev plant in Moscow. Beijing's total demand for RD-93 will be about 500 pieces.

http://www.sinodefence.com/news/2005/news05-07-31.asp

[Neo]

Chendu FC-1

The Chengdu FC-1 fighter program was initiated in 1991 as a replacement for China's J-7 fighters and for Pakistan. The aircraft was developed with assistance of Mikoyan designers and is based on the Mikoyan's experience with the MiG-33 fighter, a single seat development of MiG-29. The aircraft will be powered by a modernized Klimov RD-33 turbofan engine, the RD-93, and will employ a manual flight control system with analog fly-by-wire controls backup. There are plans to develop a two-seat trainer version of this aircraft.

http://www.aeronautics.ru/fc1.htm

Also check this link...all about Russian engines:
http://www.aeronautics.ru/index/aeronautics_K.htm

[ahussains]

What is the possiablites of Inducting J-10s in PAF and in how much time, what i know that the cabeint approves it .. but still it need time. and how it works with Saab Erieye when PAF got it and can chinees and Swedish engineer are agree to expose their technolgies to each other...

[ahussains]

What is the basic diffrence in RD 33 and RD 93 how 93 is superior to 33 and how many hours of life is of both 33 and 93 are they superior to P&W100 (i think ) which is fitted in F-16

[Owais]

What is the basic diffrence in RD 33 and RD 93 how 93 is superior to 33 and how many hours of life is of both 33 and 93 are they superior to P&W100 (i think ) which is fitted in F-16

RD 93 is much cleaner with more thrust than RD 33 but both of them are inferior to PW100 in thrust.

[kvLin]

Present throughput of JF-17 at Chendu: 2 per month,to increase in later half of 2007. PAF order in priority, according to the bilateral contract.

J-10(A/B): not sure. the hearsay 50 per year might not be true,since China is now focusing on its variations instead of output.

possible deployment of J-10: 5 aircraft groups (mixed unit with J-11,Chinese version Su-27), an aviatic base,and a training center.

Engine for J-10: batch1: 54 AL-31Fn, batch2: 100 AL-31Fn M1
China didn't sign supplemental purchase with Russia,due to the stereo type and batch production of WS-10A.

[BATMAN]

Reference to Pakistan's decision of procuring J-10 fighters, does any one know what would be the estimated price of each aircraft?
Is it final by now that those will be fitted with Russian AL-31FN?
In my opinion Pakistan should not hurry with this deal and wait until India procure its new 126 aircrafts! Any hints who is in and who is out on Indian deal?

[Contrarian]

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Well...after the integrity pact thing, Russians stand on thin ice, and the compeition was essentially b/w MiG 35 and US Shornet.Thats our speculation BTW. Though Typhoon or Rafale might just surprise us all.