Pakistan UAVs News & Discussions

[DESERT FIGHTER]

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I'm guessing its probably the ToT of the Chinese CH-3 UCAV,

We already had placed an order for CH-3...And considering the time NESCOM is taking in delivering the bird... it clearly suggests its an indigenous platform... as we have the experience n infra to support it... also if it was a chinese ucav with tot... it would already have been in service.

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So it can only be equipped with cameras and with only 4 hour duration, that is certainly not the Uqab we've been hearing about for 4 years now, the supposed Pakistani predator drone.

Hes not talkin abt Burraq UCAV but Uqab UAV...We have like a billion kinds of UAVs...

[Desert Fox]

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We already had placed an order for CH-3...And considering the time NESCOM is taking in delivering the bird... it clearly suggests its an indigenous platform... as we have the experience n infra to support it... also if it was a chinese ucav with tot... it would already have been in service.

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Hes not talkin abt Burraq UCAV but Uqab UAV...We have like a billion kinds of UAVs...

Oh, my bad, i confused Burraq for Uqab (both sound similar).

[farhan_9909]

Pakistan making own spy aircraft: Air Chief
(Xinhua)
08:59, February 14, 2012

ISLAMABAD, Feb. 13 (Xinhua) -- Pakistan Air Chief Air Marshal Rao Qamar Sulema said on Monday that the country is manufacturing its own spy aircraft and will soon be able to prepare pilotless plane equipped with missile technology, local media reported.

Talking to reporters at the Shehbaz Airbase in southern Sindh province, he said Pakistan is making unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV drones) at the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex in the town of Kamra near Islamabad, Geo TV reported.

Asked if the F-16 aircraft that Pakistan recently received from the U.S. can down American drones, Suleman said that the Pakistan Air Force does not want any such situation.

The media people were taken to the Shehbaz Airbase to formally announce that the airbase is now under the complete control of the Pakistan Air Force.

The U.S., which used the airbase for drone attacks in Afghanistan and possibly in Pakistan, was told to vacate the base by Pakistan in the aftermath of the November 26 NATO strike on Pakistani posts, which had killed 24 soldiers.

The Air Chief said that 14 used F-16s were provided to Pakistan by the U.S. free of cost while 18 others have been bought.

The Army Chief General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani said on the occasion that the parliament reserves the right to decide on the resumption of NATO supplies.

He said that the final decision on whether NATO supplies will be allowed to pass through Pakistan for forces based in Afghanistan will be made by the Parliamentary Committee on National Security.

The Army Chief said that Pakistan and the U.S. are cooperating on defence operations and Pakistani officials are taken into confidence whenever bordering areas are to be attacked.

Talking about the Coalition Support Fund, which was set up by the U.S. Congress after the September 11, 2001, attacks to reimburse allies for costs in supporting the U.S.-led war on militancy, General Kayani said that Pakistan was yet to receive 1. 5 billion U.S. dollars from the U.S.

Pakistan making own spy aircraft: Air Chief - People's Daily Online

[fatman17]

Sky Stalkers

Chinese military commits to broad UAV development.


Richard D. Fisher, Jr. Alexandria, Va.

China was until the late 1990s content to follow Western unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) developments and keep pace by copying or purchasing foreign technology. But when the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) launched a modernization program in the late 1990s to prepare for possible conflict over Taiwan, development of unmanned systems were a high priority.

The result has been phenomenal growth in the UAV sector, which engages aircraft, helicopter, cruise missile and model aircraft companies, private concerns and university research centers.

At the third biennial Vanguard UAV exhibition in June 2010, 70 UAV-related companies displayed their wares, and at the November 2010 Zhuhai air show, 25 indigenous UAVs were shown. PLA ambitions for UAV development cover the gamut from micro to tactical to strategic, and could soon include stratospheric/near-space airships and hypersonic platforms.
Increasing utilization of UAVs is consistent with the PLA’s strategy/doctrine goal of “informatization”—the broad military exploitation of relevant information technologies. Chinese microelectronics companies have developed sophisticated “cockpit” control and monitoring stations and laptop programs for operating UAVs. Chinese optics companies supply systems for all sizes of UAVs. When completely lofted later this decade, China’s Compass navigation satellite network could enable global UAV operations. Industry sources make clear that UAVs and unmanned combat aerial vehicles (UCAVs) will be integral parts of the sensor-to-shooter continuum from the soldier to space.

The PLA is increasing its use of tactical UAVs at a moderate pace. Introduced in the early 1990s, PLA army units use multiple versions of the Xian ASN-206, a truck-launched UAV with range of 150 km (93 mi.) and 6-8 hr. of endurance.

These are seen increasingly in exercises, for example, supporting long-range strikes by PHL03 300-mm multiple-launch rocket systems. Some versions use saucer-shaped satellite communication link antennas. Introduced in 2000, the Nanjing Research Institute on Simulation Technique’s comparable W-50, a nearly 100-kg (220-lb.) UAV with 4-6 hr. of endurance serves in some army units.

The hand-launched ASN-15, a 6.5-kg UAV, is also featured in small-unit army exercises. A version of the ASN-15 is carried by a variant of the Type-89 armored personnel carrier equipped with a command and-control center.

Some small UAVs in service come from the model industry. For example, the Poly arms-trading consortium markets W-1, a 1.75-kg, 1-hr-endurance electric-powered, hand-launched UAV with laptop control, based on a radio controlled Styrofoam model.
While the PLA has invested in a growing capacity to develop vertical-takeoff UAVs, the services have been slow to make wide use of them.

During the 1990s, BUAA developed small vertical takeoff UAVs with coaxial rotors for naval use, while Nanjing University of Aeronautics and Astronautics developed the Soar Bird series, with its 900-kg LE300 model being similar in size to the Northrop Grumman Fire Scout. A 320-kg LE300 version has been observed with an artillery unit.

The Chinese Helicopter Research and Development Institute, designer of the Z-10 attack helicopter, tested the 220-kg U-8E in 2006, a platform with 4 hr. of endurance, now marketed at air shows, though it is not clear if the PLA uses it. China’s radio-controlled-helicopter model makers have also produced slightly larger program-controlled vertical-takeoff UAVs for surveillance, following on the RMAX copied from Yamaha. Examples include the 120-kg, 1.5-hr.-endurance Servi-Helo. Several companies are making small quad-rotor vertical-takeoff UAVs popular with police.

In 2010 the Whirlwind Scout was revealed, a ducted-fan vertical-takeoff model with 20-40 min. of endurance, similar in size and shape to the Class-1 UAV of the U.S. Army’s cancelled Future Combat Systems program.

China is producing medium-altitude, long-endurance UAVs, some with specialized weapons as UCAVs, though introduction into PLA service is proceeding at a moderate pace. Likely a product of the Chengdu and Guizhou aviation companies, the Predator-1 sized Petrodactyl-1, with 20 hr. endurance, was shown for the first time at the November 2010 Zhuhai air show armed with the Norinco BA-7 optically guided missile, derived from the HJ-10 helicopter missile. In development since 2004 and able to transmit imagery to other combat platforms via a ground station, it is not known to be in PLA service.

First seen at the 2008 Zhuhai show, the slightly smaller CH-3, with 12 hr. endurance, uses a canard design copied from the U.S. Varieze homebuilt aircraft. It is armed with the FT-5 small satnav-guided bomb and AR-1 optically guided missile, similar in size to the BA-7. Wall displays at the 2008 Zhuhai show indicated that the CH-3 could support ground and maritime operations. While neither UCAV has been seen with a PLA unit, Pakistan selected the CH-3 for co-production and is testing a version of it.

Turbojet and turbofan UCAVs have also been developed by the PLA. For almost a decade sources in Taiwan pointed to the PLA air force’s growing UCAV modified J-6 fighters, which number almost 300. These supersonic-capable UCAVs could deliver precision-guided missiles, forcing Taiwan, for one, to expend surface-to-air missiles in defense.

At the 2002 Zhuhai air show, the Guizhou-Chengdu combine was likely responsible for the WZ-2000, a high-altitude, long-endurance (HALE) turbofan UAV resembling Northrop Grumman’s Global Hawk. In 2008, Luoyang Opto-Electronics Co. (LOEC) displayed a model of a high-altitude, medium-size UCAV similar to the WZ-2000, but armed with a version of its TY-90 helicopter air-to-air missile.

In 2010, Norinco displayed its BA-7 air-to-ground missile for the first time based on its HJ-10 helicopter ground-attack missile. The Norinco display added credence to the existence of a faster delta-wing turbofan UCAV program that first came to notice in a 2005 issue of a Chinese military magazine. The UCAV was depicted with a missile like the BA-7, raising the possibility that one or both UCAV programs pre-date 2005. They could represent competitive programs or an attempt to develop complementary high- and low-altitude surveillance and attack platforms.

At the 2008 Zhuhai show, Shenyang Aircraft Co. showed Warrior Eagle, a forward-swept-wing subsonic turbofan UCAV that would operate in cooperative groups. Chinese officials, however, would not answer questions about this program, and it did not reappear at the 2010 show.

The PLA is also pursuing strategic UAVs. So far, the main HALE surveillance UAV in service is the BKZ-05, first seen in video at the 2004 Zhuhai show. Powered by a reciprocating or turbine pusher engine, this twin-tail aircraft is similar in size to Israel Aerospace Industries’ Heron, and the unit that operates them outside Beijing is reportedly subordinate to the national strategic command general staff department of the central military commission.

Chengdu Aircraft Corp.’s Tianyi UAV, similar in configuration but about two thirds the size of a Global Hawk, was seen tested in 2008. If adopted, this UAV might have sufficient range to cover Chinese-claimed territories in the East China and South China Seas. It could also be a test program for the Long Haul Eagle, a UAV that is more comparable in size and configuration to the Global Hawk.

At the 2006 Zhuhai show, Guizhou revealed its Soar Dragon HALE concept, a 7,500-kg, box-wing configuration witha 650-kg payload and 7,000-km range, but there has been no confirmation of this program.

Also in 2006, Shenyang Aircraft Corp. caused a stir with its Dark Sword UCAV concept, originally described as being for unmanned air-to-air combat, a description not repeated in subsequent displays. The inclusion of another model in a special Chinese Aviation Museum display to commemorate the 60th anniversary of the PLA air force in 2009 renewed concern that this could be an on-going program, if only to allow the air force’s emerging 5th-generation fighters to employ a complementary supersonic unmanned platform for offensive and defensive missions.

There is considerable interest in near space or stratospheric UAVs that the U.S. believes could serve missions ranging from surveillance, energy weapons deployment or heavy troop transport.

China Aerospace Corp. and university research centers are studying near space platform concepts. Much of this research pertains to very-high-altitude airships that might initially focus on surveillance and communication relay missions, especially over the Pacific Ocean.

The PLA is investing heavily in research and development of hypersonic UAV/UCAVs for near-space and low-Earth-orbit missions. In 2007, Chinese sources revealed the Chengdu Shenlong, a small space plane that is about the same size as the Boeing X-37B small space plane. There are reports it may have had a sub-orbital test in 2010 or earlier.

There are also unconfirmed reports that Chengdu tested a hypersonic technology vehicle similar to NASA’s X-43A.

Chinese military-directed academic engineering literature reflects broad interest in hypersonic research, focusing on engines, thermal protection materials, guidance and airframe-engine integration and design. One 2010 article by researchers at the prestigious Academy of Sciences Institute of Mechanics, proposed a Mach 3 platform that could be manned or unmanned. The U.S. Air Force envisions a similarly capable platform in service by 2030, but might the PLA’s fly first?

Fisher is a senior fellow with the International Assessment and Strategy Center of Alexandria, Va.

[mafiya]

H KHAN stated, CH-3 was tested last year in FATA and endurance of CH-3 was less that it is stated.

[HANI]

H KHAN stated, CH-3 was tested last year in FATA and endurance of CH-3 was less that it is stated.

can u share the full story regarding use of CH-3 inn FATA bec its new for me ...... and if the endurance is less then did we ruled out to induct these in large num or what ?

[Ottoman-Turk]

we should cooperate with pakistan , we can improve anka uav together to make it armed and joint produce aswell and export together





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[mafiya]

we should cooperate with pakistan , we can improve anka uav together to make it armed and joint produce aswell and export together





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We love to but our poor economic situation and lack of funds for R&D preventing this partnership.Remember there were plans several years ago to buy Turkish frigates, it was dropped too due to lack of funds.

can u share the full story regarding use of CH-3 inn FATA bec its new for me ...... and if the endurance is less then did we ruled out to induct these in large num or what ?

PA has been using CH-3 along with AR-1 for sometime in its operations in NW areas bording Afghanistan. I think the first CH-3 was tested in hot areas in early 2011 for surveillance and reconnaissance only. Earlier this year CH-3 was tested with AR-1 which were fulfilling their parameters.

The problem is that the loitering time is less than 5 hours when armed with AR-1 missiles and without the missiles it is less than 8 hours, which in return is more than anything else Pakistan has or can buy from any other source expect China or is able to locally manufacturer.

The speed of '600' be it kmph or mph is way too fast for any UAV.

UAV's Development !!

[Nishan_101]

we should cooperate with pakistan , we can improve anka uav together to make it armed and joint produce aswell and export together

Why not make space under the fuselarge near the front landing gear for IRST pod and not to use the conventional one on a hard point.

[skydrill_2]

we should cooperate with pakistan , we can improve anka uav together to make it armed and joint produce aswell and export together

anyways i respect turkish techs, but pak lacks brain-power ryt now...u will play a major loss....

[Ottoman-Turk]

no bro pakistan make great cruise and ballistic missile , they can help us in that field , iam seeing we are getting very good i found this in Wiki to check out male uav's

With their advanced Western Standard electro-optical payloads, American, Israeli and Turkish developed MALE UAVs are considered the most advanced in the world. These countries hold a large market share of the MALE UAV market.

before our prime minister said after we make anka we will be top 3 and one of the 3 nations to make UAV i was saying hes talking BS because many countries make uav but i didnt know he was talking about MALE UAV where only 3 countries are proven .

[v9s]

anyways i respect turkish techs, but pak lacks brain-power ryt now...u will play a major loss....

we're helping them build a cruise missile and you're saying Pak lacks brain power?

f*cking chutia

[HANI]

we're helping them build a cruise missile and you're saying Pak lacks brain power?

f*cking chutia

don,t use abusive language brother

[hatf IX]

anyways i respect turkish techs, but pak lacks brain-power ryt now...u will play a major loss....

man we don't lack brain power that's real rude comment ("believe me no nation in this world lack brain power") it's just matter of resources and good government which we lack considerably . . .. . . if we came up with "Atomic Bomb" and " Range of Missiles" believe me we can build that thing too but current government of our is just bunch of @$$ h**e$

[ababeel22]

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also i read somewhere that pakistanis are the 4th most intelligent people in the world

man we don't lack brain power that's real rude comment ("believe me no nation in this world lack brain power") it's just matter of resources and good government which we lack considerably . . .. . . if we came up with "Atomic Bomb" and " Range of Missiles" believe me we can build that thing too but current government of our is just bunch of @$$ h**e$