I've been away from PFF for sometime, is there any thread discussing the induction of 30 J-10s for PAF?
J-10 will be coming in next years or so to PAF i suppose with all compatibility options required by PAF...... JF-17 is Pak+China......its not about concentration on JF-17 its ours and we are making/upgrading/formulating it as per our requirements...
J10 is a to be bought plane ....... after required modifications by PAF .......
This would then make this bird a true Sino-Pak bird without reliance on the Russians.
The Russians could not be trusted in relations to military hardware, an Indian would best understand this.
I think the Indians should rely less on the Russians and purchase from us instead.
Even with that said, we aren't that much better than the Russians either lol.
I think you have these ideas and definitions that are quite mixed up. How do you define interceptor vs any of the other roles that are assigned to the all of the PAF fighters on Air Defence roles?? Even during the Afghan war, PAF was conducting Air Defence CAPs (interceptions) primarily with F-16s, then with Mirages and then with F-6s (in the initial year of the war). F-16 turned out to be the most optimal and suitable *interceptor*..
Also what is an interceptor? Why can't any aircraft with a long range radar and medium or Beyond Visual Range AAMs be interceptors?
F-7 and PGs are used for interception just as the Mirage or F-16 is used in this role by the PAF. All of the PAF fighter sqns undergo training for interception...this is because we do not have dedicated platforms for such roles nor do we have immense resources. Depending on the theater, any PAF sqn (including F-16s, Mirages, F-7s and even A-5s) could be tasked with interception.
ROSE II and III are anything but interceptors. They are equipped with FLIRs instead of an Air Intercept Radar (like the Grifo M3 on the ROSE I aircraft). This means that these Mirages are optimized for Air to Surface roles (Night attack, interdiction etc.)
JF-17 is getting IFR so it can be used in strike roles. The weapons suite to be made available on the JF=17 is quite similar to the F-16s (except that it would not have the ability to carry munitions like JDAMS and JSOW). Otherwise it will have the capability for WVR, BVR, A2G engagements. This means that the JF-17 is a lot more capable than a F-7 equipped with 2 AIM-9Ls and 2 AIM-9Ps for point defence.
I have often wondered about this issue myself and asked this question to many bigwigs in the sister forum. With regards to the timeline, we are not only inducting Thunder ,we are also getting F16 Cand Ds in the same period.even though we have F16s, the Cs and Ds are a different beast altogether. If we start talking of J10s in the same breath, we will have induction of 3 Platforms with its own nightmares.
Iam no expert on AF strategy and plan, but to me, the J10 still reamins a buy for the future. There is another strategic element to this saga. My feeling is that PAF has errected the ghost of J10 to keep the Americans on the straight and narrow, ie "give us what we want or we will get it elsewhere".
J10 in my view remains a bright future prospect, but post 2010-12, when PAF has absorbed F16s and Thunders. Isuspect it will take thaty much time for J10 to mature in any case. Now if the Americans do not play ball, then we might ditch the F16s altogether and concentrate on J10s in its present shape and then develop it.
Interestingly ,courtesy of the highly respected Pshamim on Pakdef.info LM has started looking into integrating AESA on F16 block 50/52. This would be called Block 50++. This was on PAFs demand for AESa on its future F16s. so they have seen the light!!
Comments on my hunch would be appreciated.
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