Al-Khalid & Type 99 Comparison

[InsightDubai]

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T-90 in Action!

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[kidwaibhai]

i think that AK will have no problem beating the T-90
although i do believe that the Type 99 is a superior tank to the AK

[HASEEB66]

what is the cost of both the tanks?

[zraver]

AK vs T-90 will depend on crew more than anything. The IA T-90S has the oppurtunity to get the BM-42m it might have a gunnery advantage, if it can't then gunnery is about even. PA has DU the IA has a larger caliber gun for higher velocity and energy. The AK and T-90 are both deritives of the T series of tanks and have taken the class about as far as it will go.

Both are inderior in terms of passive protection compared to the ZTZ-99 but all use a similar gun.

[Keysersoze]

AK vs T-90 will depend on crew more than anything. The IA T-90S has the oppurtunity to get the BM-42m it might have a gunnery advantage, if it can't then gunnery is about even. PA has DU the IA has a larger caliber gun for higher velocity and energy. The AK and T-90 are both deritives of the T series of tanks and have taken the class about as far as it will go.

Both are inderior in terms of passive protection compared to the ZTZ-99 but all use a similar gun.

Yeah but Zraver haven't you heard about the issues that the T90 has been having with it's scopes?
Apparently the unit supplied fails in heat due to the fact that a air con unit was not added due to cost. And apparently a air con unit is very hard to fit retro- actively.(due to the turret size) Plus the heat issues for the crew (apparently cured by "cooled" clothing for the crew) will increase crew fatigue.

[Keysersoze]

India Buys 330 Russian Tanks

Created: 27.10.2006 11:38 MSK (GMT +3), Updated: 11:38 MSK

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India has signed a fresh contract with Russia to buy 330 T-90S main battle tanks (MBTs) in complete sets of components for local assembly, a leading British defense journal is quoted by Indo-Asian News Service.

Citing military-diplomatic sources, the authoritative Jane’s Defence Weekly declared that the order for the additional T-90S kits would in no way impinge on the agreed scope of the license program to construct the MBTs at the Heavy Vehicles Factory (HVF) at Avadi, near Chennai.

India bought 310 T-90S in 2001 for around $800m � 124 in completed form and the remaining 186 to be assembled at Avadi in response to Pakistan inducting the Ukrainian-built T-80 UD MBT into service 1997 onwards.

The Indian Army was the first export customer for the T-90S which had been in Russian army service since the mid-1990s. Deliveries of the initial 124 T-90S tanks began in December 2002 and were completed within 12-14 months while another 180 MBTs have since been assembled at Avadi and the first part of the order is nearing completion. The T-90S tanks have been inducted into six armored regiments in northern and central India.

The associated license agreement provides for the assembly of up to 1,000 T-90S tanks in India with production scheduled to begin sometime in 2007. This was supposedly also to lead to a gradual increase in the share of components made locally in an effort at enhancing the T-90S indigenization.

But, Jane’s reports that the order for the 330 sets of T-90S components is driven by the fact that the Indian Army desperately needs modern MBTs due to chronic delays in the production schedule of the domestic Arjun MBT. In addition, official sources said the upgrade of the army’s Soviet and locally built T-72 MBTs, that form the backbone of the armored regiments, was delayed by several years due to bureaucratic vacillation.

Delivery of T-90S kits from Russia, Jane’s adds, would “speed up� the fielding of new MBTs as assembly using Indian-made components is more time consuming.

But army officers complained that the existing T-90S tanks faced “recurring� technical problems which were adversely impinging on the force’s operational preparedness. Senior armored corps officers said the Catherine thermal imaging (TI) camera supplied by Thales of France that is the “heart� of the T-90S’ fire control system (FCS) had “repeatedly malfunctioned� in the excessive summer heat of the western Rajasthan desert where the MBTs frequently exercise and will eventually be deployed.

Officers operating the tanks said temperatures in excess of 60 degrees Celsius inside the tank had rendered between 80-90 FCS “unserviceable� over the past four years. Attempts to rectify them had so far largely proven unsuccessful.

In one armoured regiment in Punjab, an alarming 30 of 40 tanks were “off-road�, lamented an officer, declining to be named.

Army chief Gen J J Singh recently declared that the Defense Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) was considering proposals to “partially� air-condition the T-90S to overcome the overheating problem. But he did not elaborate as to how a cooling plant could be successfully engineered into the tank.

[kidwaibhai]

the T-90 was not designed for these conditions. it was mainly designed for an attack on the NATO countries which have cooler temperatures compared to the sub-continent

[Goodperson]

I suggest post this in appropriate thread this thread is about "Al-Khalid & Type 99 Comparison"

[zraver]

Yeah but Zraver haven't you heard about the issues that the T90 has been having with it's scopes?
Apparently the unit supplied fails in heat due to the fact that a air con unit was not added due to cost. And apparently a air con unit is very hard to fit retro- actively.(due to the turret size) Plus the heat issues for the crew (apparently cured by "cooled" clothing for the crew) will increase crew fatigue.

The Catherine TI supplied by France has issues, last I heard IA was putitng original Russian equipment back in. While it may not be as good as the French stuff it is equal to the Chinese. Thermal imaging is one of those issues where China has not progressed very far thanks to sanctions stemming from Tienamen Square.

Crew fatigure in any T series ot T type tank is a given. small rough riding and cramped with 4 man load beign carried by just 2-3 men.... heat is just one factor. The human body can withstand some pretty extreme heat as log as you keep it hydrated so some sort of coling suit or vest to keep core temps down would work wonders.

[Interceptor]

This is wierdest figure ever seen, ground pressure has to be measured in kg/m sq and not in terms of Hp/ton.:crazy2:

I think your right. I think that statement is ratio of horsepower to weight in tons.

[Mercenary]

yup, the T-90 is made for Russian Weather conditions and engaging NATO tanks in Western European battlefields and not for hot Indian desert conditions in Rajistan.

I am surprised that this major detail was overlooked when India bought these tanks.

[con]

yup, the T-90 is made for Russian Weather conditions and engaging NATO tanks in Western European battlefields and not for hot Indian desert conditions in Rajistan.

I am surprised that this major detail was overlooked when India bought these tanks.

Which other tanks was designed for desert?

[Matador]

T--99 was the best battle in the world ,Amrican 's main bettle mayebe not

better than T---90, it can be consider as one of the most great tank in the

world and better than Japan's 99 style tank.

[Matador]

In fact Al-khalid is development by chinese original technoledge ,but

improved by pakistan as their indeed,T--99 is excellent altough comapre to

American 's tank ,totally Al-khalid also was a nice battle and T--99 was

better.

[Interceptor]

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In fact Al-khalid is development by chinese original technoledge ,but

improved by pakistan as their indeed,T--99 is excellent altough comapre to

American 's tank ,totally Al-khalid also was a nice battle and T--99 was

better.

If you read about the project it is a tri-nation development and the type 98 has different dimansions to the Al-Khalid it also compramises with a different base of technology it has different electronics and has slightly less weight compared to the type 98 and lots of other detials. It was purely designed for the Pakistani desert conditions and then that would mean it wasnt entirely chinnese therefore the chinnese have not aproved to order any of the Al-Khalid because they dont require such a tank.