Army should be looking for a NEW Sub Machine Gun (SMG)

[Splurgenxs]

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Pakistan Army is looking for a new SMG in 7.62x39mm caliber. Any suggestions?

U must be talking about a low caliber MG, AK rounds on a SMG ?not happening.

At best u can consider th e 5.56 nato with guns like Tavor that contain the profile of an SMG, But nevertheless its still falls in the AR category.

[Aeronaut]

XYON: Correct me on this , the 7.62x39 cartridge is out of service since long time ago & i don't find any SMG using such cartridge today.



MP-7 is what i would like the have though.

[Don Jaguar]

SLR-107F



SLR-107F - Import, 7.62x39 caliber, stamped receiver, chrome lined hammer forged barrel, bayonet lug, 24mm muzzle brake, cleaning rod, accessory lug, black polymer furniture, Left-side folding polymer stock, stainless steel heat shield. Comes with one 5-round magazine, sling, oil bottle, and cleaning kit.

Variants

1. Black Polymer Furniture
2. Desert sand Polymer Furniture
3. Metal Folding Buttstock
4. Tactical

This variant is the number 4, Tactical.

Details

SKU SLR107-26
caliber: 7.62 x 39 mm
total length: 937 mm (36 7/8 in.)
folded length: 695 mm (27 3/8 in.)
barrel length: 415 mm (16 1/4 in.)
rifling: 4 grooves
twist rate: 1 in 240 mm (9.44 in.)
weight w/o magazine: 3.31 kg (7.3 lbs.)
muzzle velocity: 710 m/s (2,329 fps)
effective range: 500 m (550 yds)
maximum range: 1,350 m (1,480 yds)
rear sight range: 800 m (875 yds)
MSRP Range: $950 +

MSRP: $950.00

[sandy_3126]

SLR-107F



SLR-107F - Import, 7.62x39 caliber, stamped receiver, chrome lined hammer forged barrel, bayonet lug, 24mm muzzle brake, cleaning rod, accessory lug, black polymer furniture, Left-side folding polymer stock, stainless steel heat shield. Comes with one 5-round magazine, sling, oil bottle, and cleaning kit.

Variants

1. Black Polymer Furniture
2. Desert sand Polymer Furniture
3. Metal Folding Buttstock
4. Tactical

This variant is the number 4, Tactical.

Details

SKU SLR107-26
caliber: 7.62 x 39 mm
total length: 937 mm (36 7/8 in.)
folded length: 695 mm (27 3/8 in.)
barrel length: 415 mm (16 1/4 in.)
rifling: 4 grooves
twist rate: 1 in 240 mm (9.44 in.)
weight w/o magazine: 3.31 kg (7.3 lbs.)
muzzle velocity: 710 m/s (2,329 fps)
effective range: 500 m (550 yds)
maximum range: 1,350 m (1,480 yds)
rear sight range: 800 m (875 yds)
MSRP Range: $950 +

MSRP: $950.00

5 round magazine, never heard of an ak with a 5 rounder!!

$950+ what a rippoff, thats a standard ak47 with quad rail and side folder stock, you can buy it commercially for $500-$600, even an Arsenal SGL 21 which has a milled receiver is around the 800-900 bucks.

[Don Jaguar]

5 round magazine, never heard of an ak with a 5 rounder!!

A 5 round magazine is also included in its accessories.

A 30 round magazine can be seen in the picture.

$950+ what a rippoff, thats a standard ak47 with quad rail and side folder stock, you can buy it commercially for $500-$600, even an Arsenal SGL 21 which has a milled receiver is around the 800-900 bucks.

Maximum range: 1,350 m.

[sandy_3126]

A 5 round magazine is also included in its accessories.

A 30 round magazine can be seen in the picture.



Maximum range: 1,350 m.

Isnt that std for every AK to begin with.
Effective range is 500M, max range is 1350M, FYI even a .22 LR will reach to 1.5 miles

[TaimiKhan]

Issue is, PA classifies AK-47s/Type-56s as SMG, even though the international classification of SMG is something different.

If they want to replace Type-56s with something new in the same caliber, then AK-103 is a good option, provided Russia agrees and provides a local manufacturing plant (which i have doubts, but you never know).

http://world.guns.ru/assault/rus/ak-103-e.html

Second option is to get a western design and re-chamber / redesign it to fire a 7.62*39mm cartridge. And my choice for that is the HK-416/417 design, its new and very well performing design and if we do go for this option, then with the time we can replace our assault rifle G-3 with this design and make 7.62*39mm as our standard cartridge of assault rifle and keep the 7.62*51mm cartridge for sniper purposes or long range engagement.

PA/POF plz get HK-416-417 license and change your weapon system for good.

[Aeronaut]

Turkish Mehmitck 01

[sandy_3126]

Turkish Mehmitck 01

It's just a standard AR15/M16 dressed fancy. I think your chinese friends at norinco produce a clone of the same.

[Koovie]

Just dont buy fancy malfunctioning Beretta SMGs like the home ministry

[nuclearpak]

HK-416 or as Taimi said, Ak-103.

BTW, why the 7.62? Whats the problem with a 5.56? 5.56 also gives alot of variety, a bigger pool to choose from.

MP-5 has totally gone bust since the last 3-4 years or so.

[Mosamania]

The G-36C is what is replacing the MP5 in service with Saudi Armed Forces.



Latest performance report in "Al-Barryah" Magazine states that testing have proved to be satisfactory and was given the go ahead to start the phasing in of this gun to replace the MP5.

Here is the difference between the G-36K top (Future main assault rifle of SAF replacing the G-3) and G-36C botttom.

[Aeronaut]

^ 5.56 mm ?

It's just a standard AR15/M16 dressed fancy. I think your chinese friends at norinco produce a clone of the same.

What you think is wrong as MKEK has an MOU for licensed HK production.

[Mosamania]

^ 5.56 mm ?



What you think is wrong as MKEK has an MOU for licensed HK production.

Yeah uses same ammunition specs but in a lighter more compact platform. Now you see security and body guards dumping their old AKs and MP5s for the G-36C.

[Saquib]

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Whatis wrong with designing a new weapon - I keep saying this there must be some in POF who could design using parts from G-3 rifles saving money and development costs.