Siachen Glacier, Fighting On The Roof Of The World

[DESERT FIGHTER]

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what is the advantage of those so called 4 strategic peaks???? Pakistan army tried several attempts to regain siachen but always failed.

U went to full scale war with ur army n airforce but couldnt take these hills frm rag tag para military n mujahedeen.Unlike PA.

[toxic_pus]

Kargil was not a misadventure but test of a strategic doctrine. Somewhat similar to reconnaissance in force. It was tested and it worked. Your generals know it, your senior politicians know it, only kids like you, fed on bollywood propaganda, posting on websites don't know it. It is being discussed, debated and analyzed in military staff colleges all over the world, including yours. Infact repeated failures by Indian to react to incidents such as Kargil etc. has led to the so called "Cold Start" , which in itself is a flawed strategy. When the enemy changes strategy to react your actions, it is a victory of sorts as you are taking initiative away from your enemy. We are a little distracted right now, but very soon we will focus our attention back to you guys.

All the action was on your land, you lost 4 aircrafts, you were running around like headless chickens and as per Indian sources we are still sitting on your land in Kargill plus we proved that you will not and cannot start an all out war. This was proved again after the Mumbai attack. Kargill showed a whole lot of weaknesses in your defence doctrine and prepardness. You were running all over the place trying to buy every thing from 155mm shells to AKs to coffins and your politicians and generals getting kickbacks on every thing even on coffins for your dead soldiers. India has still not come up with an effective answer to limited incursions from Pakistan under the nuclear umbrella. If it had Mumbai would not have happened. Cold Start is a non-starter. So hardly a blunder.

As I said we are a little distracted right now but as soon as the Americans leave Afghanistan, which will be soon, we will turn our attention to you guys again.

Do remember you are 7 times bigger than us and you guys cannot find a way to deal with us other running to the Americans to ask for help.

Take that you useless good-for-nothing 'Bhartis'. 'Bhartis' loose even when it wins. Pakistan wins even when it looses.

I am waiting for some genius to come up with a brilliant analysis of how 1971 was a 'strategic' victory for Pakistan.

[ares]

U went to full scale war with ur army n airforce but couldnt take these hills frm rag tag para military n mujahedeen.Unlike PA.

Are you calming that your Northen light Infantry is rag-tag military?

You occupied 130 peaks but now you hold only one..and also lost 500-2500 soldiers in the process ..these statics speaks for them selves on who won!!

Who asked you not to use your airforce? ..if you can launch war and send army men to die..least you could do is, respect their lives and provide them some air cover.

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Are you calming that your Northen light Infantry is rag-tag military?

You occupied 130 peaks but now you hold only one..and also lost 500-2500 soldiers in the process ..these statics speaks for them selves on who won!!

Who asked you not to use your airforce? ..if you can launch war and send army men to die..least you could do is, respect their lives and provide them some air cover.

Its part of PA now...... it was awarded due to its achievements in kargil......back thn it was a militia....

We respect em thts y 2 Highest gallantry awards were given to em n made a regular regiment in army.

P.S=Dont pull tht 500-2500 frm ..,.

[alphamale]

U went to full scale war with ur army n airforce but couldnt take these hills frm rag tag para military n mujahedeen.Unlike PA.

area of siachen glacier is 700 square km, this is clearly a very big area as compare to 3-4 small peaks.

[ares]

Its part of PA now...... it was awarded due to its achievements in kargil......back thn it was a militia....

We respect em thts y 2 Highest gallantry awards were given to em n made a regular regiment in army.

P.S=Dont pull tht 500-2500 frm ..,.

It was never a militia..it was paramilitary force then..I hope you know the difference.

This is confusion on number of dead is from your side ..even some of your brigadiers support Nawaz's statement.

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Reminds me an old Tamil saying:"ஆவேன் முற்றத்லே குட மீன் பிடிகிரோ
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Translation : "Even in urine,he tries to find fishes"

So did u find em?

[DESERT FIGHTER]

It was never a militia..it was paramilitary force then..I hope you know the difference.

This is confusion on number of dead is from your side ..even some of your brigadiers support Nawaz's statement.

No its not... the List of the martyrs can be searched on internet.

The 1 guy is nawazs puppet (of his party)and was forcefully retired frm the army .

[rockstar]

U went to full scale war with ur army n airforce but couldnt take these hills frm rag tag para military n mujahedeen.Unlike PA.

Militia never file artilary shells, wont fire Air to Surface missiles, they may have mortars+AKs. Dude it was Pakistani Army..

[DESERT FIGHTER]

lOL..P.A ARTY wasnt even involved... lol @ arty shells.

But nowadays..... we r equiping the Paramilitaries with tanks n stuff.

While NLI is now a part of Army.

[mikkix]

No its not... the List of the martyrs can be searched on internet.

The 1 guy is nawazs puppet (of his party)and was forcefully retired frm the army .

bro, there were huge differences amongst the core commanders at that time on the time of kargil.
only 4 or 5 generals planned this.
I bet it was a miserable blunder.

[notorious_eagle]

Are you calming that your Northen light Infantry is rag-tag military?

You occupied 130 peaks but now you hold only one..and also lost 500-2500 soldiers in the process ..these statics speaks for them selves on who won!!

Who asked you not to use your airforce? ..if you can launch war and send army men to die..least you could do is, respect their lives and provide them some air cover.

Correction, right now we occupy 4 peaks in your territory and not ours . Pakistan at one point held 120 peaks, 115 of them were abandoned and 5 of them were captured by the Indians. But the funny statistic is that Pakistan still occupies 4 of the peaks in Indian territory, it looks to me that Kargil was a failure for the Indian Army because isn't the Indian Army supposed to protect each and every inch of Indian territory . On a side note, NLI was at the time a paramilitary force but its bravery was never in doubt. Your own officers praised the bravery NLI soldiers showed during battle when they were severely outnumbered, this is why they were rewarded and are not a regular division in Pakistan Army.

[ares]

Correction, right now we occupy 4 peaks in your territory and not ours . Pakistan at one point held 120 peaks, 115 of them were abandoned and 5 of them were captured by the Indians. But the funny statistic is that Pakistan still occupies 4 of the peaks in Indian territory, it looks to me that Kargil was a failure for the Indian Army because isn't the Indian Army supposed to protect each and every inch of Indian territory . On a side note, NLI was at the time a paramilitary force but its bravery was never in doubt. Your own officers praised the bravery NLI soldiers showed during battle when they were severely outnumbered, this is why they were rewarded and are not a regular division in Pakistan Army.

So tell me these 4 peaks ..which offer you no strategic advantage wrt to NH1..were they worth the lives of as many soldiers you lost?..
Because now you hold only 0.3 % of land area you originally held ..while Indian army holds 97.7% of land area.

And If you are so proud of these 4 peaks you held on to..why did you leave the rest?

[bandit]

Correction, right now we occupy 4 peaks in your territory and not ours . Pakistan at one point held 120 peaks, 115 of them were abandoned and 5 of them were captured by the Indians. But the funny statistic is that Pakistan still occupies 4 of the peaks in Indian territory, it looks to me that Kargil was a failure for the Indian Army because isn't the Indian Army supposed to protect each and every inch of Indian territory . On a side note, NLI was at the time a paramilitary force but its bravery was never in doubt. Your own officers praised the bravery NLI soldiers showed during battle when they were severely outnumbered, this is why they were rewarded and are not a regular division in Pakistan Army.

So by the popular logic around here Pakistan won because-

-They captured 120 peaks, lost 116 of them, that is an enviable success ratio.
-They had high casualties but that does not matter becaue PA was at least able to sit on the peaks it had dreamed of conquering, for some weeks/months.
-IAF blew the poor mujahideens to pieces, but its a proud thing to be blown to smithereens when your airforce cannot/will not support you because of fear/disinterest/incompetency.
-A grand reconnaissance achievement to have ~2000 soldiers killed to 'test' the enemy.
-International disrepute doesn't matter, neither does the head of state running wild to prevent a massacre of his forces, hey atleast we pissed on their mountains for a couple of months.
-Soldiers hardly matter, the dead even less so, we can disown them any time, and award them medals when we feel the time is right, right?
-The success was so great that it leads to a military coup when the PM tries to honour (by ignonimously removing) the army chief.
-The current PM was a fool to label the whole operation as a failure and reporting the casualty figure, great friend China publicly rebuking Pakistans actions also does not matter, killing some Indians was a matter of greater pride and a glorious victory.
-Economy......WTF is that? Only Indians can worry about such trivial issues.

I'm really impressed by this 'strategic victory', any more points you can conjure up please feel free to add to this post.

[ares]

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lOL..P.A ARTY wasnt even involved... lol @ arty shells.

But nowadays..... we r equiping the Paramilitaries with tanks n stuff.

While NLI is now a part of Army.

Wrong your arty was definitely involved it ..it provided direct arty fire against Indian arty positions shelling Pak intruders.