Pak Navy Interest in Chineese Sub & Frigates

[Mani2020]

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The on going debate was which submarine type is PN getting and the rough guess were for Song or Yuan class submarines but PN is going for Qing class submarines

Quoting from Sir pshamim

Many news reported here about PN's future plans are still langushing for one reason or the other. Like news about U-214 negotiation, we all know were true but final agreement was not signed. Not because the deal is dead but for political and economic reasons. Please believe me that this deal is not dead but on a backburner.

News below is extremely exciting but different in one respect. It was signed during Gilani's visit to China last April. We have heard about the 50 JF-17 but there is very credible report about what PN will be receiving.

Contrary to what has been reported about 039 class "Songs" or 041 class Yuan class, it is the latest variant of 041 class named "QING" class submarines for which a deal was inked for 6.

The first Qing class built for Chinese Navy was launched last year and will be going through the sea trial this month 6/2011 which will include the firing of CJ-10K LACms with a range of 1,500 KM.

QING class submarines The deal was signed between Wuhan-based China State Shipbuilding Industrial Corp (CSIC) and Pakistani Government in April 2011 is for 6 Qing class submarine, These submarines will be double hulled with a submerged displacement of 3,600 tons. It will be equipped with the new Stirling-cycle AIP and will be able to carry upto 3 CJ-10K which could carry nuclear warheds, Other features include hull retractable foreplanes and hydrodynamically streamlined sail. The AIP and the propulsion systems will be all electric and not the diesal electric propulsion system making the submarines very quiet. This propulsion system has already been tested on a number of heavier Chinese submarines.

Also Pakistan has signed a deal for 2 type 054A frigates on a 10 year lease .

Y0454A Frigates The other exciting development is Pakistan has also signed a deal for a 10 year leaso of 2 Type o54A FFGs. The two ships that Pakistan will receive are serial number 525 and 526 inducted in PLAN in 2005

There is also news that China will be transferring two Z9-EC helicopters.

[Mani2020]

Not only Submarines, Frigates and choppers but another important aspect is the Cj-10 cruise missile, it will be a direct answer to brahmos

Cj-10 being a solid fueled engine cruise missile with a speed of 2.5+ mach and operational range of 2200km

[Areesh]

Mani bro you just made my day. Thanks.

[RaptorRX707]

China-Pakistan all-weather friendship scales new heights
JUNE-2011





The new Qing class is at least 30 percent larger.

Pakistan's efforts to have a sea-based minimum credible nuclear deterrent vis-a-vis India took a significant step forward last month when the state-owned, Wuhan-based China State Shipbuilding Industrial Corp (CSIC) ferried the first Qing-class conventional attack submarine (SSK) to Shanghai to begin a year-long series of sea trials, which is likely to include the test-firing of three CJ-10K submarine-launched, 1,500km-range land attack cruise missiles (LACM) capable of being armed with unitary tactical nuclear warheads. Called the Qing-class SSK, it is a variant of the Type 041A Improved Yuan-class SSK, which is also due to begin its sea trials later this month.


It is now believed that the contract inked between CSIC and Pakistan early last April (see FORCE April 2011, pages 16-17) calls for the CSIC's Wuhan-based Wuchang Shipyard to supply six Qing-class SSKs, all of which will be equipped with a Stirling-cycle AIP system and will be able to carry up to three nuclear warhead-carrying CJ-10K LACMs each. The double-hulled Qing-class SSK, with a submerged displacement close to 3,600 tonnes, bears a close resemblance to the Russian Type 636M SSK, and features hull-retractable foreplanes and hydrodynamically streamlined sail. The first such SSK was launched in Wuhan on September 9 last year, and a total of three such SSKs are on order from China's PLA Navy as well. The AIP system for the Qing-class SSK was developed by the 711th Research Institute of CSIC. R&D work began in June 1996, with a 100-strong team of scientists and engineers led by Dr Jin Donghan being involved in developing the Stirling-cycle engine, while another team led Professor Ma Weiming of China's Naval Engineering University began developing the all-electric AIP system. The two projects entered the production engineering stage in 2007, with the Shanghai Qiyao Propulsion Technology Ltd, a wholly owned subsidiary of the 711th Institute, becoming the principal industrial entity charged with producing the AIP system. Incidentally, the Qing-class SSK's all-electric propulsion system is a derivative of a similar system that was developed about a decade ago for the PLA Navy's six Type 093 Shang-class SSGNs and three Type 094 Jin-class SSBNs.

The submarine-launched CJ-10K LACM has been developed by the China Aerospace Science and Industry Corp's (CASIC) Hubei-based Ninth Academy (also known as the Sanjiang Aerospace Group, or 066 Base) on cooperation with the Third Academy's Beijing-based Xinghang Electromechanical Equipment Factory (159 Factory). Final assembly of the CJ-10K is undertaken by the Beijing-based Hangxing Machine Building Factory (239 Factory). The CJ-10K features an imaging infra-red optronic system for terminal homing, and it makes use of a ring laser gyro-based inertial navigation system combined with a GPS receiver to receive navigational updates from China's 'Beidou' constellation of GPS navigation satellites.

In another development, during Pakistani Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani's four-day official visit to China beginning May 17, the decks were cleared for the Pakistan Navy to acquire for a 10-year lease period the two Jiangkai I-class Type 054 guided-missile frigates (FFG) Ma'anshan (FFG-525) and Wenzhou (FFG-526), which have been in service with the PLA Navy's East Sea Fleet since 2005


Qing-class SSK
Jiangkai 1-class Type 054 FFG
Z-9EC helicopter

pshamim source (back in March 2011)

Like news about U-214 negotiation, we all know were true but final agreement was not signed. Not because the deal is dead but for political and economic reasons. Please believe me that this deal is not dead but on a backburner.

Pakistan want 10 year lease while Germany want 5 years under negotiation!

[maverick1977]

Huge boost to pakistan's naval capabilities. Good going. So this ship can carry three cruise missiles only? i am assuming it will be sub surface launched with a bigger tube of 636mm or more ? or is it VLS launched by going surface or snorkel depth ?

[RaptorRX707]

Huge boost to pakistan's naval capabilities. Good going. So this ship can carry three cruise missiles only? i am assuming it will be sub surface launched with a bigger tube of 636mm or more ? or is it VLS launched by going surface or snorkel depth ?

More details: Type 054A Jiangkai-II Class Missile Frigate - SinoDefence.com

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Fantastic Investment in Future of Pakistan

2 Destroyers , and 6 Nuclear capable Submarines

I was personally hoping the lease would be for 15-20 years but its a great gesture of friendship from our Chinese friends

We look forward formal news articles on this fab news

These 2 destroyers, would definitely add a punch to our air defense capabilities

[Chinese-Dragon]

Awesome.

Also, what kind of nuclear warheads can Pakistan launch from this submarine?

[Rafi]

Awesome.

Also, what kind of nuclear warheads can Pakistan launch from this submarine?

Single large megaton warhead, or single tactical sub-kiloton warhead, horses for courses.

[Saifullah Sani]

[misterme2]

I thought nations could not sell or give missiles with a range of maore than 300km. At least those binded by the MTCR

[tanlixiang28776]

I thought nations could not sell or give missiles with a range of maore than 300km. At least those binded by the MTCR

Didn't sign it.

[razgriz19]

China-Pakistan all-weather friendship scales new heights
JUNE-2011





The new Qing class is at least 30 percent larger.

Pakistan's efforts to have a sea-based minimum credible nuclear deterrent vis-a-vis India took a significant step forward last month when the state-owned, Wuhan-based China State Shipbuilding Industrial Corp (CSIC) ferried the first Qing-class conventional attack submarine (SSK) to Shanghai to begin a year-long series of sea trials, which is likely to include the test-firing of three CJ-10K submarine-launched, 1,500km-range land attack cruise missiles (LACM) capable of being armed with unitary tactical nuclear warheads. Called the Qing-class SSK, it is a variant of the Type 041A Improved Yuan-class SSK, which is also due to begin its sea trials later this month.


It is now believed that the contract inked between CSIC and Pakistan early last April (see FORCE April 2011, pages 16-17) calls for the CSIC's Wuhan-based Wuchang Shipyard to supply six Qing-class SSKs, all of which will be equipped with a Stirling-cycle AIP system and will be able to carry up to three nuclear warhead-carrying CJ-10K LACMs each. The double-hulled Qing-class SSK, with a submerged displacement close to 3,600 tonnes, bears a close resemblance to the Russian Type 636M SSK, and features hull-retractable foreplanes and hydrodynamically streamlined sail. The first such SSK was launched in Wuhan on September 9 last year, and a total of three such SSKs are on order from China's PLA Navy as well. The AIP system for the Qing-class SSK was developed by the 711th Research Institute of CSIC. R&D work began in June 1996, with a 100-strong team of scientists and engineers led by Dr Jin Donghan being involved in developing the Stirling-cycle engine, while another team led Professor Ma Weiming of China's Naval Engineering University began developing the all-electric AIP system. The two projects entered the production engineering stage in 2007, with the Shanghai Qiyao Propulsion Technology Ltd, a wholly owned subsidiary of the 711th Institute, becoming the principal industrial entity charged with producing the AIP system. Incidentally, the Qing-class SSK's all-electric propulsion system is a derivative of a similar system that was developed about a decade ago for the PLA Navy's six Type 093 Shang-class SSGNs and three Type 094 Jin-class SSBNs.

The submarine-launched CJ-10K LACM has been developed by the China Aerospace Science and Industry Corp's (CASIC) Hubei-based Ninth Academy (also known as the Sanjiang Aerospace Group, or 066 Base) on cooperation with the Third Academy's Beijing-based Xinghang Electromechanical Equipment Factory (159 Factory). Final assembly of the CJ-10K is undertaken by the Beijing-based Hangxing Machine Building Factory (239 Factory). The CJ-10K features an imaging infra-red optronic system for terminal homing, and it makes use of a ring laser gyro-based inertial navigation system combined with a GPS receiver to receive navigational updates from China's 'Beidou' constellation of GPS navigation satellites.

In another development, during Pakistani Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani's four-day official visit to China beginning May 17, the decks were cleared for the Pakistan Navy to acquire for a 10-year lease period the two Jiangkai I-class Type 054 guided-missile frigates (FFG) Ma'anshan (FFG-525) and Wenzhou (FFG-526), which have been in service with the PLA Navy's East Sea Fleet since 2005




Qing-class SSK
Jiangkai 1-class Type 054 FFG
Z-9EC helicopter

pshamim source (back in March 2011)





Pakistan want 10 year lease while Germany want 5 years under negotiation!

if this news is true then we ARE NOT GETTING TYPE 54A!! BUT TYPE 54 INSTEAD!!!
HULL NUMBER FFG-525 AND FFG-526 BELONGS TO TYPE 54!!!


thats sad...
i thought PN wanted a ship with better Air defence...

however getting Qing class submarine is a smarter move...but i think its too big for our current needs.
and isn't Qing an improved version of yuan class?

[graphican]

Mashallah! Congratulations Paksitan!!!!

The AIP and the propulsion systems will be all electric and not the diesal electric propulsion system making the submarines very quiet.

propulsion systems will be electric! I don't think U-214 was offering us that.

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No my mistake.. just checked Wikipedia, its the same. Congratulations!

[mkg00179504]

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Awesome news, keep it up Pakistan and China.