US plans to sabotage Pakistan nuke facilities: Ahmadinejad

[muse]

---

---

Muse:

But every night we hear from our new "Leaders" on the idiot box that "Pakistan aur us kay Atamee asasay Bairooni takataun say khatray main hain."

Are we creating a demon here to hide our own inabillities and failures to pull out Pakistan from one mess to another. Or the "Kashmir" demon has lost its glitz and we are in the process of preparing to abandon the "Cause" due to severe blow back from the rouge ****** elements?

Recall our conversation on the TT board about "Narratives" --- our security apparatus, to deflect attention, has come up with this particular narrative, one which finds much currency with the religious political Jamaat types, it seems . It does not seem to have occurred to the security apparatus how to respond when people begin asking what the utility, the necessity of weapons which must themselves be protected instead of people.

[Aamir Hussain]

Muse:

Food for thought indeed. But how to bring sanity to this senseless chest thumping and beating of war drums?

[muse]

Why are they doing it? What is it that they are interested in? To my thinking these narratives are designed to instill a measure of "unity" - to prevent questioning.
Rally, these people are so off the mark, they are so on some other planet that it's beyond scary, it's sad, tragic


Look to army and nuclear weapons as sources of pride in society -- with the army, well, less said the better -- and with nuclear weapons that instead of providing security have become a source of insecurity -- again, less said the better

What can we do to make it better?? Stop with these idiot lies and speak truthfully - but lets face it, getting this security establishment to understand this or to get it to do a better more sophisticated job at messaging, at creating and managing narratives - well, you know, they just can't do this, they are not trained for it, they don't even perceive the need to do this, they are at ease talking at us than to us, just witness the responses to our questiions by the loyalists brigade -- they are clueless.

[Tshering22]

You want to listen to Ahmedinejad of all the people? Iran has no enemies but with president like this, that shortage can easily be covered.

[Aamir Hussain]

But he seems to be a close pall India in the region -- may be classic suck in tactics??? Just kidding.

[monitor]

Targeting Pak nukes!
Posted on June 15, 2011

By Farooq Hameed Khan

Although the Pak-Iran relations may not be at their very best, yet President Mahmoud Ahmedinejad’s startling disclosure that Iran has precise information about American plans to sabotage our nuclear installations, should be an eye opener for Pakistan’s security establishment. The President further warned that the US would then use the UNSC and other international agencies as levers to prepare the grounds for a massive presence in Pakistan to weaken its sovereignty.
Surely, President Ahmedenijad must have some credible evidence about USA’s conspiracy; his remarks reinforced Pakistan’s fears that targeting its nuclear arsenal remains the ultimate objective of Washington’s foreign policy. For Iran, the horrifying scenario of a ‘denuclearised and weakened Pakistan under US domination’ would heighten its insecurity and make its nuclear programme more vulnerable to US/Israeli aggression.
The US has made deliberate efforts to gain intelligence and access to our nuclear programme under various pretexts. Intelligence gathering, monitoring and surveillance of Pakistani nuclear sites, missile test firings, and movement of launch platforms through spy or commercial satellites is routinely resorted to, although senior US Defence officials have admitted that complete information about our strategic installations is yet not available.
During Musharraf’s rule, the US was reportedly engaged in a $30 million project to streamline nuclear safety, command and control procedures. Better sense prevailed at our Strategic Plans Division (SPD) and its (USA) role was restricted to training our experts in America; the programme was non-intrusive and was based on our right to ‘pick and choose’ from the US offered checklist of cooperation.
In 2007, then Member Science and Technology of the Planning Commission recalled rejecting a US offer for aerial mapping, including application of ‘magnetic anomaly techniques for supposedly subsurface mineral survey in Pakistan. Suspicions were raised when it transpired that out of 100 US personnel in this programme, only around five were technical experts, remaining being American marines. Moreover, Washington declined to share the original raw data and offered to provide the processed results, which was unacceptable to us. However, the biggest US breakthrough may have been made through the CIA network created in Pakistan in the last few years undercover of anti-terrorism training and tracking militants in our towns. Also, with the help of well-paid local recruits, vital intelligence about the location and security arrangements around our strategic installations may have been acquired.

Some Western media reports have suggested that Washington has contingency plans to send in Special Forces to help “secure the Pakistani nuclear arsenal.” On December 31, 2007, The Herald reported: “US Special Forces snatch squads were on standby, including neighbouring Afghanistan to seize or disable Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal in the event of a collapse of government authority or the outbreak of civil war following the assassination of Benazir Bhutto.” These troops, augmented by volunteer scientists from America’s Nuclear Emergency Search Team organisation, were under orders to take control of an estimated 60 warheads dispersed around six to 10 high-security Pakistani military bases.
So would the US launch a pre-emptive strike against our nuclear sites? America is known to war game various contingencies to capture or cripple Pakistan’s nuclear weapons, including a surprise air/missile strike from the Arabian Sea based aircraft carriers to neutralise PAF bases, air defence, and command and communications network. This would be followed by moving in Special Forces like the Task Force 373, which is a joint military commando unit based in Afghanistan involved in clandestine operations to capture key nuclear installations.
Given the multi-tiered all round security of our strategic installations, however, it would be unwise for the US to attempt an Abbottabad-style strike against our strategic sites. Unlike Osama’s compound that was unprotected and provided a free run to the US Navy SEALs, its troops would have to overcome resistance by almost 18,000 Pakistani soldiers armed with light and heavy weapons, backed by elaborate air defence network that guard these sites. With Pakistan’s nuclear assets widely dispersed, disassembled and their mobile launch platforms ever on the move, the US should expect lot of surprises.
In my opinion USA’s ‘Get Pak Nukes’ strategy envisions a ‘false flag’ attack by the CIA supported local militants on a nuclear installation, including a power plant. Any such attack would be sufficient to trigger an international uproar in the Western/Indian media calling for a UN backed US-led intervention to takeover Pakistan’s nuclear assets. Such a move at the UN is not likely to succeed, since China’s support is highly unlikely.
An essential prerequisite of any US foreign intervention plan envisages deep psychological operations against the target country. The deliberate and well-orchestrated campaign by the Western/Indian media supported by vested domestic forces to malign, demoralise and weaken the Pak Army, which is the custodian of the nuclear arsenal and create doubts about its ability to defend the strategic assets, is becoming strikingly visible.
So Pakistanis would rather pay heed to the Iranian President’s warning, rather than accepting Senator John Kerry’s assurance, who vowed to write with his blood that the US was not eyeing Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal. Make no mistake, targeting Pak nukes may be the mother of all blunders!
The writer is a retired Brigadier
Email: fhkhan54

[IND151]

i dont think US of A is planning to sabotage Pakistani nuke facilities. it may lead to war between Pakistan and US of A ; as america haters in top brass of PA may decide to retaliate. they may capture power and Pakistan may be will turn into another Iran. but this seems impossible.

[secularbuster]

i dont think US of A is planning to sabotage Pakistani nuke facilities. it may lead to war between Pakistan and US of A ; as america haters in top brass of PA may decide to retaliate. they may capture power and Pakistan may be will turn into another Iran. but this seems impossible.

Of course, you indians would like to see Pakistanis caught unprepared for a scenario like that but at least you realise the consequence of such an action on the part of america, so congratulations.

[ashokdeiva]

Of course, you indians would like to see Pakistanis caught unprepared for a scenario like that but at least you realise the consequence of such an action on the part of america, so congratulations.

When it comes to nuclear powered states, US is very catious, they know that they have to face serious concequences of taking any desperate move to disarm Pakistan. but at the same time, Pakistan has to realize that its armed wing is infiltrated with a few traitors that might put its nuclear arsenal in bad hands. Now Pakistan, rather than worring on the imaginary US treat of seazing its nuclear arsenal should work how to stablilize its country and how to flush out the war seeking elements likt JUD, LET, TALIBAN and Al Quieda out of its territory.

[secularbuster]

When it comes to nuclear powered states, US is very catious, they know that they have to face serious concequences of taking any desperate move to disarm Pakistan. but at the same time, Pakistan has to realize that its armed wing is infiltrated with a few traitors that might put its nuclear arsenal in bad hands. Now Pakistan, rather than worring on the imaginary US treat of seazing its nuclear arsenal should work how to stablilize its country and how to flush out the war seeking elements likt JUD, LET, TALIBAN and Al Quieda out of its territory.

Aren't there traitors in the armed forces of america or india? What if they get hold of the american or indian nukes? It's a baseless logic.

[Abu Zolfiqar]

---

---

a.) already posted

b.) not gonna happen

c.) how many such threads like these need to be opened....


USE THE SEARCH FUNCTION!!!! Helloooo.