a new kind of war could well begin.

[waraich66]

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Pakistan’s Dangerous Double Game
Is Pakistan Helping the Taliban? | Newsweek International | Newsweek.com

Recognizing that trend, Schloesser plans to keep his troops operating deep inside Taliban territory this winter. "I plan on having a winter campaign that will take advantage of the mobility that I have to seek out any [insurgent] safe havens in Afghanistan, any facilitation areas, any places they go to for rest and recreation in Afghanistan," Schloesser says. "We're going to give them those options: either flee, get killed or captured, or reconcile." But if they escape across the border—and Islamabad doesn't step up—a new kind of war could well begin.

What is that new kind of WAR?

[S-2]

You'll need to ask the writer of the article. That's not Maj. Gen. Schloesser's comment. Why don't you e-mail the writer with that question and post his response?

[Kasrkin]

I won't read too much into it. These threats won't work, they're pretty unreasonable. My guess is these guys are given to shoot off their mouths from time to time. But no one in the higher ups bothers to restrain. It works for them I suppose, the whole 'war dog' concept.

Kayani told the Americans that he didn't have the military capability to take on several, sizable insurgent strongholds at once. He asked Washington to provide more modern and highpowered military equipment, notably attack helicopters. But the U.S. commanders were apparently not prepared to give the Pakistani Army chief what he wanted.

Now this was most odd. It is not for American military commanders to decide if gun-ship helicopters and other equipment should be given to Pakistan or not.

[BATMAN]

We expect maturity from world leaders and if they fail than we may very well consider it a failure of the very system/society which produce such leaders.

As we expect, soon US troops may be leaving Iraq but I think down the line this will trigger a major conflict in middleast, which may engulf various regional countries.

Today, two US choppers have been downed in Iraq killing soldiers aboard.
It shows that Iraq will never be able to return to normality and appointed Iraqi govt. will collapse once US leave completely.

I also believe one day foreign troops will leave Afghanistan as well and if they fuckup the things with various experiments before leaving than things may have a compunding effect on the region. That moment we can count the troubeled region from Algeria to Taiwan.

History will be written and leaders will be remember as good or bad.

[ajpirzada]

btw wat will pakistan achieve by not acting against talibans who are now fightin pakistan

[S-2]

"These threats won't work, they're pretty unreasonable."

What threats did you specifically have in mind and from whom?

[qsaark]

Pakistan’s Dangerous Double Game
Is Pakistan Helping the Taliban? | Newsweek International | Newsweek.com

Recognizing that trend, Schloesser plans to keep his troops operating deep inside Taliban territory this winter. "I plan on having a winter campaign that will take advantage of the mobility that I have to seek out any [insurgent] safe havens in Afghanistan, any facilitation areas, any places they go to for rest and recreation in Afghanistan," Schloesser says. "We're going to give them those options: either flee, get killed or captured, or reconcile." But if they escape across the border—and Islamabad doesn't step up—a new kind of war could well begin.

What is that new kind of WAR?

Newsweek, Times, FOX, in sab ko moonh ki bawaseer hey.

[BATMAN]

Newsweek, Times, FOX, in sab ko moonh ki bawaseer hey.

But they all build world opinion and our media must do their job in putting forward the other side of story.

[Kasrkin]

"These threats won't work, they're pretty unreasonable."

What threats did you specifically have in mind and from whom?

But if they escape across the border—and Islamabad doesn't step up—a new kind of war could well begin.

What did you think I was referring to?

Seems to me this is the General's comment. Am I wrong?

[qsaark]

But they all build world opinion and our media must do their job in putting forward the other side of story.

Not really world opinion, but yes, if we consider USA the world (as most americans do).

[S-2]

"Seems to me this is the General's comment. Am I wrong?"

Very. Go to the link and the third (last) page. Last paragraph. Check the quote marks.

Waraich66 has the quote accurately, to include the quotation marks, in his original post as well. Schloesser didn't say this and I indicated it in my first post also.

[Kasrkin]

Right my bad.

Field commanders have been making comments like this in the past. So I made the connection, but...

A bit of a presumptuous leap on behalf of the writer I must say. I wasn't expecting that. The whole article doesn’t seem very creditable to me, with half a dozen anonymous quotations which basically leaves us with no way to verify any of this.

[S-2]

You could lose your job on this stuff if attributed in Washington D.C. and never work for the government again. If a serving officer, it'll destroy your career.

You could die from this article if Pakistani and attributed.

Everybody wonders. Nobody's speaking for the record on this one. What was said on the carrier, stays on the carrier. NONE of the principles from either side have actually spoke to the press about that meeting but it was the meeting of the year if not the decade.

World class viewing if one could see.

[Kasrkin]

Everybody wonders. Nobody's speaking for the record on this one. What was said on the carrier, stays on the carrier. NONE of the principles from either side have actually spoke to the press about that meeting but it was the meeting of the year if not the decade.

This could be because of a host of reasons too. A typical observer would guess that it is because the Americans are trying not to be too hard on the Pakistanis, getting whatever concessions they can without outright confrontation which would inevitably be sparked if these allegations were to be repeated openly by central figures. Or...

There could be nothing there. No such double game. Just the subtle realities along the lines of Pakistani intelligence maintaining strictly professional contacts through protocol with some of these groups to exploit, manipulate, coercive or contain. Contacts from the Soviet days it could be argued with no deeper, sinister purpose. It could be reasoned this is a pretext to keep the pressure up on Pakistan or coerce Pakistan into adopting a more proactive military tempo, or maybe its just genuine American paranoia.

Either way I don’t but I'm obviously inclined towards the latter. However I do know that the Americans seem to be fairly satisfied with us at the moment. The NATO lot though don’t usually share in these deep rooted suspicions, so far as I can tell.

[waraich66]

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WOT is Afghanistan now entered in final most critical phase,if you try understand the Generals comments he is talking about options before the option of conciliation was not on agenda.US always through ball is in court of Pakistan which miserably failed to coup the satuation at this stage as indicated by Kiyani need more sphofisticated weaponary,which US not ready to give may distrube balance of power in region.

Let see result of this war of tug between Pakistan and US ,will determine future course of this war .Presently winds are flowing in favour of Talaban.