Time is running short for "drone strikes" in Pakistan!

[ajpirzada]

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The attacks are killing the enemy what is the big problem with that?
Would you guys prefer to have the likes of Osama Al Kini still running around?

thats the whole problem. are these strikes killing the enemy or creating more enemies???

[Jihad]

How can a mouse pressurize an elephant? It is just wishful thinking on the mouse's part.....self delusion..

You'll be surprised to see what willpower and dedication can achieve.

[suresh_]

You'll be surprised to see what willpower and dedication can achieve.

would you state something more specific and practical, instead of vague philosophical ramblings?

[ajpirzada]

would you state something more specific and practical, instead of vague philosophical ramblings?

u r talkin about an elephant which cant walk anymore. we only need will power which jihad is talkin about. we bring one of their drone down and they will stop coming.

[suresh_]

u r talkin about an elephant which cant walk anymore. we only need will power which jihad is talkin about. we bring one of their drone down and they will stop coming.

the fact of the matter is that: if you could have, you would have.
if pakistan could afford striking drones, it would have done it when the first drone came.
dont insult the intelligence of your army and policy makers by thinking that they are so foolish not to see a straight forward solution like 'bringing down the drones'. obvioulsy, they know that it wont work, otherwise they would have brought down a handful.

[Jihad]

would you state something more specific and practical, instead of vague philosophical ramblings?

About your countryman "ThinkDifferent", I would also like to add that U.S.-Pakistan comparison is also not an Elephant - Mouse comparison.
That's pretty wrong and a great distortion of reality.
My message is, if you fail to understand with your narrow mindset, that Pakistan needs to hammer on her policy of trying to stop these drone attacks, it's gonna take quite some pressure and who knows some action regarding these drone strikes in order for the U.S. to realize and see that these strikes are counter-productive and that their main "ally" in the WoT, Pakistan, will not tolerate such violations on her soil.
It's as simple as that, need anymore explanation?

[Jihad]

the fact of the matter is that: if you could have, you would have.
if pakistan could afford striking drones, it would have done it when the first drone came.
dont insult the intelligence of your army and policy makers by thinking that they are so foolish not to see a straight forward solution like 'bringing down the drones'. obvioulsy, they know that it wont work, otherwise they would have brought down a handful.

The government has the last say on what comes and goes, if they give the green lights for these drones to be taken down, then the army will do so.
Certain elements of fear and "money" are holding our politicians back, which is a shame, and as time goes on, and as the Pakistani people continue to express their dissatisfaction over these strikes, you will see a change in attitude and mentality from the GoP, as it has to please its own people FIRST.
Anger and distrust among Pakistani people in the GoP = exit for the current government, and that is something nobody is waiting for, we must give this government the time and the space to show what it can truly mean for our people, with these drone strikes, the U.S. is making things very complicated for the Pakistani government, and yet the U.S. says that it's essential for Pakistan to be stable in the WoT, but how can it be stable when there is so much anger in Pakistan about the lack of willpower and action from the GoP to stop these (insulting) attacks on OUR homeland.
It is not necessary, the U.S. can and SHOULD provide us with the necessary tools and equipment so that we can do it ourselves.
Period.

[ajpirzada]

the fact of the matter is that: if you could have, you would have.
if pakistan could afford striking drones, it would have done it when the first drone came.
dont insult the intelligence of your army and policy makers by thinking that they are so foolish not to see a straight forward solution like 'bringing down the drones'. obvioulsy, they know that it wont work, otherwise they would have brought down a handful.

well thats wat the thread is about. we trust the intelligence of our Generals who are building pressure on the gov, however its our politicians whom we cant really trust. if army starts bringing them down without gov permission, which they have already said that they can, then there will only be another marshal law which even the politicians dont want to see.

[batmannow]

well thats wat the thread is about. we trust the intelligence of our Generals who are building pressure on the gov, however its our politicians whom we cant really trust. if army starts bringing them down without gov permission, which they have already said that they can, then there will only be another marshal law which even the politicians dont want to see.

ajpirzada;sir
super input, thanks!
actully pakistan army have the power,will,& courge to suddenly stop all this unjustifyied "drone attacks", but GEN .KIYANI & his counter parts are really serious about the democratic system & also they dont want to give wrong impreasion to our big brother "USA" that they are trying to kick him out of the equation?

same time our citizens were in deep anger, over these "drone attacks", which are killing them without knowing the results, militants & radical forces getting huge support from locals & genral population, just because people of pakistan lossing confidence on thier own forces, on thier govt, & on thier country, which is the most dangerous of all.

therefore PAKARMY in its bid to clean terrorism from its roots, really need to stop all this "drone attacks philosphy", which is making people lossing thier minds, at the same time they wanted that, our ally USA should realize its self that all that is wrong, it not in the intersts of the people of USA nor in the intersts of people of pakistan, therefore two way strategical plan has been carried out to stop "drone attacks" inside pakistan & also in afghanistan.

[ajpirzada]

Didn't the drone attacks actually start during Musharaff's period? That time a General was the dictator of Pakistan and could have had the Drones shot if he wanted to.

There are only a handful of countries in the world that can afford to do something like that against the US of A. Unfortunately, India and Pakistan are not one of those countries.

it was not his gov when these drone attacks started happenin. musharraf didnt have any space left when all these politicians, who were kicked out of the country, came back in our national assembaly.

[suresh_]

well thats wat the thread is about. we trust the intelligence of our Generals who are building pressure on the gov, however its our politicians whom we cant really trust. if army starts bringing them down without gov permission, which they have already said that they can, then there will only be another marshal law which even the politicians dont want to see.

do you really believe that zardari govt can stop kiyani if he was serious about striking drones?
the fact is both zardari and kiyani are backed by US, so, dont expect any anti-US move from them.
and pak definitely doesnt have the military might to stand against US.

[JK!]

Until I'm hearing a weekly news bulletin of Fazlullah dead, Zawahiri dead or Mehsud killed by Pakistani forces then I will continue to support drone attacks.

[roadrunner]

The attacks are killing the enemy what is the big problem with that?

Would you guys prefer to have the likes of Osama Al Kini still running around?

Why shoot up kids and women then?

Shoot OBL, great. Where is he? Anyone seen him?

If there's women and children, don't shoot. It's very simple.

This is why Pakistan Army take care of it.

The Americans do not care about foreign life.

This has the potential to lead to drone attacks without end. Just by saying, there was an arab there, therefore it's justified., it could go on with hundreds of more innocent lives lost.

This is not acceptable. Support of the drone strikes is selfish and counterproductive.

[batmannow]

GEO Pakistan
US drone incursions counterproductive, terms Gilani
Updated at: 0125 PST, Friday, January 30, 2009

DAVOS: Prime Minister Syed Yousuf Raza Gilani Thursday terming the US drone attacks on its soil as counterproductive said they were hampering government’s efforts in countering militancy. Addressing a special session.
“Pakistan and its neighbours” Prime Minister Gilani said his government was trying to isolate the local tribes from the militants so that they are not influenced by them.

“That is what my army is doing,” Gilani said and pointed out that local tribes have now started forming local ‘lashkars’ - local militias - to support the army in fighting the militants.

However he regretted that all this effort goes in vain whenever there is a drone attack and the sympathies of the locals shift as the civilians are hit.

The participants; Defence minister of Afghanistan Wardak, Turkish Foreign Minister Ali Babacan and Foreign Minister of France Bernar Kouchner, focused on regional issues particularly relating to Pakistan and Afghanistan.

Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani strongly rejected the impression that Pakistan was a failed state and said the country’s all vital institutions were functioning properly.

[batmannow]

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Friday January 30, 1:48 AM
Pakistan arrests gang over Danish embassy attack


ISLAMABAD (AFP) - Pakistani police said Thursday they had arrested a nine-member gang wanted for multiple bombings, including a deadly attack outside the Danish embassy, and for links to Al-Qaeda and the Taliban. "We have busted a gang of nine high-profile terrorists, who were involved in several high-profile attacks in recent times," said Rao Iqbal, police chief in Rawalpindi -- the garrison city close to the Pakistani capital, Islamabad. A senior police investigator told AFP the nine were linked to Al-Qaeda and Taliban insurgents in Pakistan's lawless tribal areas, which US officials say have become a safe haven for hundreds of extremists fleeing Afghanistan. The suspects were arrested when a police intelligence team raided their den in Rawalpindi this week, the police official said. More than 1,500 people have been killed in a huge surge of militant attacks across Pakistan over the last year and a half, waged by extremists opposed to the government's support for the so-called US-led war on terror. "They were involved in five high-profile suicide attacks (in Pakistan)," said the investigator, speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not authorised to release the information. He listed the attacks as bombings outside the Danish embassy and an Italian restaurant in Islamabad; an attack on an army medical corps bus and the killing of Pakistan's most senior military officer to die in a post-2001 attack. Six people were killed, including a Dane, when a devastating car bomb exploded outside the embassy on June 2, damaging the mission, residences of the Indian and Dutch ambassadors, and nearly destroying a nearby UN agency. A Turkish woman aid worker died and at least 10 other foreigners were wounded, including four American FBI officials, in a bombing at the popular Luna Caprese Italian restaurant in Islamabad on March 15. Police said the gang also helped orchestrate a suicide bombing near Islamabad's Red Mosque on July 7 that killed 19 people, mostly policemen. Police said the arrests marked the highest number of suspected militants captured from one gang from Rawalpindi since Pakistan joined the US-led "war on terror" after the September 11, 2001 attacks on the United States. "They were involved in logistics and providing suicide bombers to hit targets," the senior police official said. According to senior police officers, the Rawalpindi nine had links to Usama al-Kini, Al-Qaeda's top commander in Pakistan, who was killed in a US missile strike on January 1, in South Waziristan. He said the ringleader had been identified as Mohammed Illyas, also known as Qari Jamil, a former prisoner held for three years at the US-run Guantanamo Bay detention centre housing alleged suspects in the US-led "war on terror." Iqbal said police recovered 100 kilograms of potassium chloride, 50 detonators and 20 kilograms of ball bearings, which militants pack in suicide vests to maximise carnage. Police officials said the gang also provided suicide bombers for an Independence Day attack in the eastern city of Lahore on August 14 last year and an earlier attack on the Naval War College, also in Lahore. Police said the nine had confessed their involvement in the attacks and would appear in a Rawalpindi court Friday to be charged under anti-terror legislation and remanded. Pakistan rejects Western accusations that its security forces are not doing enough to clamp down on attacks by Islamist extremists.
Of the other two major attacks to which police have linked to the gang, one killed Lieutenant General Mushtaq Baig, the army's surgeon general, and seven other people on February 25. On February 4, 2008, a suicide attacker rammed a motorbike into a Pakistan army bus taking medical staff to work in the garrison city of Rawalpindi, killing six people and wounding 38