Originally Posted by truthseer
Some liberals are marxist and often many seem to be fooled by the thuggish PPP which sadly has nothing liberal about it. Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto threatened to break the legs of Bengalis. He rigged elections and Nationalized everything.
Zardari under Bhutto's reign used an iron hand to attack those who disagreed. Recently a PPP senator Mian Mithoo was involved in illegal conversions of #Hindus in #Sindh. I plan to do an article on the myth of PPP secularism. There is nothing secular about the PPP neither are they liberals.
Originally Posted by RazPaK
Razpak I don't know what has come over you. I heard you once saying secularism is Islam and Islam is secularism... now you are going through great lengths to prove yourself wrong.
For any debate on this matter we need to throw this Zia Ul Haq mentality out of our minds that secularism is equal to Anti Islam and Islam and secularism are two separate concepts that can never merge.
Pakistan was meant to be secular... the reason it was created was to end atrocities of the Indians against Muslims. For example
This is what Jinnah said:
"In any case Pakistan is not going to be a theocratic state to be ruled by priests with a divine mission. We have many non-Muslims-Hindus, Christians and Parsis -- but they are all Pakistanis. They will enjoy the same rights and privileges as any other citizens and will play their rightful part in the affairs of Pakistan." Quaid-i-Azam, Feb. 1948 
Also do note the Islamic republic was never attached to Pakistan's name until Jinnah's death. Though he believed Islam favored secular principles (there is no compulsion in religion) he was afraid the Mullah's would increase their hold on the country... exactly what they did as we saw with their brainless blasphemy and hudood laws and also with laws against Ahmedis. There was actually an Ahmedi man who Jinnah actually called "his son". You hear me, son.
Jinnah was an extremely secular person and the only reason he decided to fight for Pakistan was because the Indians forced him to. For more on that read Jaswant Singh's book on partition and compare his early years where he stood for united India and his later years where he called for independent Pakistan. India refused to give Muslim provinces self-rule, imposed their laws on us including laws on cow-slaughter and constant discrimination in jobs and employment (they refused the qouta system too which muslims proposed)
Even today in India Muslims make up less than 6% of the lok sabha when they are 13% of the Indian population. The point is the biases
made us go for an independent Pakistan... not some idea of Islamic supremacy
as the supporters of these Mullahs advocate. Also in an article I proved that secularism is not Un-Islamic. If it was 53 Million Muslims wouldn't be living in Europe. This is a joke invented by the Wahabi cultists to maintain their hold on everything deemed Islamic.
Crazytycoon... keep posting. You are a brilliant poster.